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Old 10-31-2017, 6:10 PM
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Default Gene Hoffman Speaking in San Jose THURS NOV 16

This is an open invitation to all Cal Gunners to hear Gene Hoffman speak at the GS2AC big end of the year meeting and gun raffle extravaganza.

No charge to attend the meeting!

Also in attendance will be noted Second Amendment attorney Don Kilmer !

Hosted bar !.... Sign in and we give you two free tickets for beer or wine at our bar. ( if you want hard alcohol you pay for it. )

Grand Prize drawing items will include a CMP M1 Garand... A Weatherby Vanguard in 308 Win Mag and a $ 100 ammo gift certificate!

We will also have a bucket prize drawing for items like a Front Sight membership certificate worth over $ 2,000.... a Damascus Steel knife... 177Cal pellet pistol... Wine Basket.... 30MM red dot sight and MORE !

No host dinner 6PM Meeting at 7PM

GS2AC meetings are held at Harry's Hofbrau 390 Saratoga Ave in San Jose.

Directions.... From HWY 280 take the Saratoga Ave exit... go two blocks north and Harry's is on the right !

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This sounds like a fantastic opportunity to hear a great speaker. Do we need to RSVP or just show up?
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Will the antifa be there too? After all, it's Saint Joe.
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No formalities required...... No RSVP etc..... I do encourage everyone to come early and have dinner at Harry's.... The later you show up the longer the food line.
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Will the antifa be there too? After all, it's Saint Joe.
I can't imagine Antifa will show up..... no big photo opportunity here. And photo ops are what those clowns are all about.

If they do show up and misbehave we should not have too much trouble showing them the door.
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So would you say this event is happening in ....

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I can't imagine Antifa will show up..... no big photo opportunity here. And photo ops are what those clowns are all about.

If they do show up and misbehave we should not have too much trouble showing them the door.
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This sounds like a fantastic opportunity to hear a great speaker. Do we need to RSVP or just show up?
Why don't you ask the great speaker during the fantastic opportunity about the abortion called the CGF?

Inquiring minds, etc...
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Sorry, can't make it...busy, you know.
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Will Fabio Got Goosed be there too?
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Will Fabio Got Goosed be there too?
See there’s someone I’d want to hear speak. He’s a lot less heckle-able too.
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Too bad these aren't on a Fri or Sat night, when folks from other counties might be able to make it (no rush hour traffic).
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What a rare and fantastic opportunity to hear a crypto currency privateer and defender of the bill of rights at no charge! Lol.
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Not to mention an experienced, though unlicensed, scholar of the law and accomplished boater and a fan of all things nautical and piratical.
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Will he be riffing on obscure legal history at this function?
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This just got interesting - the battle of the egos...

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Not to mention an experienced, though unlicensed, scholar of the law and accomplished boater and a fan of all things nautical and piratical.
Ah, you have just given the carefully guarded secret of your identity away: You are the guy who wrote the librettos for the Gilbert and Sullivan operas! That means you are ... drumroll please ... Mr. William Gilbert. There goes the veil of anonymity.

I'll see you on the 16th. To find me, look for the person wordlessly humming "the modern major general".
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Will he be riffing on obscure legal history at this function?
Was trying to think of something witty to say but will instead quote these and give them
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Don't miss this opportunity, here's some footage of the legendary paralawyer and manager of litigation himself from the last event:



I leave you to it.

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Ah, you have just given the carefully guarded secret of your identity away: You are the guy who wrote the librettos for the Gilbert and Sullivan operas! That means you are ... drumroll please ... Mr. William Gilbert. There goes the veil of anonymity.

I'll see you on the 16th. To find me, look for the person wordlessly humming "the modern major general".
lol. I have a confession to make, I plagiarized almost entirely from the notorious "LTR MRQE" missive that sent shock waves through the halls of the California Department of Motor Vehicles license plate division:

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It’s actually confusing how the president of what apparently is a long-established 2A organization could walk into this forum and start promoting a CGF person. Did they think Calguns is the CGF forum?

I don’t have strong feelings against CGF or Gene but it’s still the internet and mocking is what we do here.
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It’s actually confusing how the president of what apparently is a long-established 2A organization could walk into this forum and start promoting a CGF person. Did they think Calguns is the CGF forum?

I don’t have strong feelings against CGF or Gene but it’s still the internet and mocking is what we do here.
On topic, the president you mention typically comes up and out with "news" after the fact.

Off topic...I'm starting to think seriously about grabbing a flight from BOI to SJC on the 16th, renting a car and watching the show, if there is one. If I make it, I'll do my best to make sure FabioGG's glass stays more than half full that evening.
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It’s actually confusing how the president of what apparently is a long-established 2A organization could walk into this forum and start promoting a CGF person. Did they think Calguns is the CGF forum?

I don’t have strong feelings against CGF or Gene but it’s still the internet and mocking is what we do here.
In fairness to Calguns.net, there has also been more than a little mocking from the CGF directed toward Calguns.
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In fairness to Calguns.net, there has also been more than a little mocking from the CGF directed toward Calguns.
Sure, though I wonder how much of the bad blood is Calgunners hating on CGF because they couldn’t magically deliver gun law reform. I’m sure I’m as surprised as Gene that MacDonald didn’t even move the needle here — nobody could have predicted that.

Someone please record this event.
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Sure, though I wonder how much of the bad blood is Calgunners hating on CGF because they couldn’t magically deliver gun law reform. I’m sure I’m as surprised as Gene that MacDonald didn’t even move the needle here — nobody could have predicted that.
Nope, nobody at all could have predicted that, just like nobody could have predicted that the courts would be political ...
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On topic, the president you mention typically comes up and out with "news" after the fact.

Off topic...I'm starting to think seriously about grabbing a flight from BOI to SJC on the 16th, renting a car and watching the show, if there is one. If I make it, I'll do my best to make sure FabioGG's glass stays more than half full that evening.
Looks like there are a few flights - see you there
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Sure, though I wonder how much of the bad blood is Calgunners hating on CGF because they couldn’t magically deliver gun law reform. I’m sure I’m as surprised as Gene that MacDonald didn’t even move the needle here — nobody could have predicted that.

Someone please record this event.
Maybe more of an issue once Combs noted that Calguns.net was superfluous. Or, perhaps not taking care of business in the past with updated tax-free contribution info.

A recording would be interesting.
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Maybe more of an issue once Combs noted that Calguns.net was superfluous. Or, perhaps not taking care of business in the past with updated tax-free contribution info.

A recording would be interesting.
Oh, yeah, Mr. Combs is as far as I can tell an opportunistic ego that accepts PayPal in return for sending emails. I can’t keep track of all the organizations he started.
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You're kidding, right? Many of us questioned Gene's credibility, capabilities, tactics, spending of donor funds, and general lack of transparency very early on. I'm on record saying on this forum that their strategy in CA, as it unfolded and as we began to understand it, was not going to work regardless of MacDonald or Heller. I was ridiculed and belittled by Gene, Brandon, the other CGF board members and all of their cheerleaders. The main issue wasn't a magical belief that CGF could and then didn't deliver on gun law reform. Rather it was the complete lack of transparency in how funds were being spent (anyone remember the "sunshine initiative"?) coupled with their pompous attitude that only they were smart enough to fix this, and then the complete failure to deliver on....well....anything.
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You're kidding, right? Many of us questioned Gene's credibility, capabilities, tactics, spending of donor funds, and general lack of transparency very early on. I'm on record saying on this forum that their strategy in CA, as it unfolded and as we began to understand it, was not going to work regardless of MacDonald or Heller. I was ridiculed and belittled by Gene, Brandon, the other CGF board members and all of their cheerleaders. The main issue wasn't a magical belief that CGF could and then didn't deliver on gun law reform. Rather it was the complete lack of transparency in how funds were being spent (anyone remember the "sunshine initiative"?) coupled with their pompous attitude that only they were smart enough to fix this, and then the complete failure to deliver on....well....anything.
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You're kidding, right? Many of us questioned Gene's credibility, capabilities, tactics, spending of donor funds, and general lack of transparency very early on. I'm on record saying on this forum that their strategy in CA, as it unfolded and as we began to understand it, was not going to work regardless of MacDonald or Heller. I was ridiculed and belittled by Gene, Brandon, the other CGF board members and all of their cheerleaders. The main issue wasn't a magical belief that CGF could and then didn't deliver on gun law reform. Rather it was the complete lack of transparency in how funds were being spent (anyone remember the "sunshine initiative"?) coupled with their pompous attitude that only they were smart enough to fix this, and then the complete failure to deliver on....well....anything.
I'd simply say Blank them and the horses they rode in on.

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...coupled with their pompous attitude that only they were smart enough ...
It's CA, so it's par for the course. From the governor, all the way down to the local officials in big cities.
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You're kidding, right? Many of us questioned Gene's credibility, capabilities, tactics, spending of donor funds, and general lack of transparency very early on. I'm on record saying on this forum that their strategy in CA, as it unfolded and as we began to understand it, was not going to work regardless of MacDonald or Heller. I was ridiculed and belittled by Gene, Brandon, the other CGF board members and all of their cheerleaders. The main issue wasn't a magical belief that CGF could and then didn't deliver on gun law reform. Rather it was the complete lack of transparency in how funds were being spent (anyone remember the "sunshine initiative"?) coupled with their pompous attitude that only they were smart enough to fix this, and then the complete failure to deliver on....well....anything.
Their main problem was transparency and arrogance. The arrogance was there from the beginning (more on Gene's part than anyone else. Brandon, at least, seemed willing to at least entertain the notion that the fight would be a long, drawn out, political one).

But as to delivering the goods, nobody has managed to do that. Nobody. At all. We've occasionally managed to slow the erosion a little bit, but that is all. That's not "delivering the goods".

Indeed, CGF isn't completely without successes. Remember Silvester v Harris? They actually managed to get a win at the district level. Of course, the 9th Circuit destroyed that win, but the 9th Circuit destroys all wins, from all players, no matter the strength of their arguments or the acumen of their counsel, by performing an en banc reversal if necessary. And the Supreme Court is rendered impotent by its internal politics, and thus has proven to be of no help at all.

So the point here is that some of us were willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, with some being more willing than others, of course (that's only natural -- everyone has different tolerances for that). But we are long past the point where there's any reason to give them that.

The real question is whether there's any reason to give anyone the benefit of the doubt at this point when it comes to the question of restoring the right to arms in California. Frankly, I see no basis for doing so. No, not even CRPA deserves such benefit. They, too, have utterly failed in their mission to restore the right to arms. Neither CGF nor CRPA are guilty of not trying. But failure is not merely a possibility, it is an inevitability with the current state of the courts. Only a substantial change at the Supreme Court will see this change, but if that happens, then and only then will it be time to see which organizations can get it done and which ones can't. The current environment is poisonous to all who would attempt to restore the right to arms, so everyone fails in that attempt.

You have been critical of CGF, and in many ways, rightly so. Your error is in not being equally critical (at least, that I've seen) of the other organizations that have attempted the same things. This makes you appear biased. And that, sir, simply won't do at all. That's not to say that the organizations are all equal to each other in all ways. That is clearly not true. I do think CGF has more to be critical about than CRPA, for instance (CRPA doesn't come across as a cheerleading organization in quite the same way as CGF, though CRPA is not innocent in this respect -- one need only read their occasional bulletins to see some of that), but if your litmus test is whether or not they deliver, then all are on equally bad footing, through no fault of their own.
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