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Old 10-06-2017, 9:56 PM
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Default Are RIA 1911 slides drop in parts?

Been thinking about picking up a dedicated 9mm slide for my RIA 38 Super. Right now I have a 9mm barrel in my 38 Super slide. Also I want a slide that already has the Novak sights already installed. I think RIA sells this type of slide on their website. Anyway my question is, will a factory RIA 9mm 1911 slide drop onto my RIA 38 Super frame? The RIA 9mm barrel dropped right in no problem. I'm hoping this will be the case with the factory slide. If its going to need extensive gunsmithing work I may just get the cuts and sights done on my existing 38 Super slide. I'm looking to spend the least amount of money here. Thanks.
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No, unless you are counting on luck.

Parts that can be considered "drop-in" for a 1911 are:
- Grips
- Slide stop
- Mainspring housing
And even these sometimes need fitting.

That said, there can be exceptions such as the Harrison Design hammer and sears which typically fit well with each other.
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If you get a RIA Slide it will fit.
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- Mainspring housing
And even these sometimes need fitting.
Yup.
Bought an arched MSH for my RIA. Function check revealed that the grip safety was not working. Ended up having to take off a fair amount of material to get enough travel back into the safety.
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Sounds like a real gamble. I got lucky with the 9mm barrel dropping in. Do I dare gamble again?
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Sounds like a real gamble. I got lucky with the 9mm barrel dropping in. Do I dare gamble again?
That depends on the return policy...
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Yeah its no returns. If it doesn't work, i'll be stuck with it.
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In my opinion (which shouldn't mean any more/less than anyone else), I wouldn't take the chance:

1. A slide is typically fairly expensive
2. Slide/barrel fit is crucial for accuracy and reliability
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If you get a RIA Slide it will fit.
It's tempting because its all RIA parts being used. I just don't want to end up paying hundreds of dollars to a gunsmith to get this to work. It is only a RIA.
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In my opinion (which shouldn't mean any more/less than anyone else), I wouldn't take the chance:

1. A slide is typically fairly expensive
2. Slide/barrel fit is crucial for accuracy and reliability
I hear you. Wasting money is not fun for me.
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The problem is that even if it "fits," as in "it works and the gun cycles," you are likely losing quite a bit of the potential. It's like Chinese toys - often many parts "sort of fit."

If you look at quality 1911 parts, many will be intentionally too large so they can be fitted to the precise size needed.
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All the RIA parts will fit no problem. Ask me how I know. Let me put it this way. The easiest way is to use all RIA Parts.


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All the RIA parts will fit no problem. Ask me how I know.
OK, how do you know?

And does "fit" mean simply that it works, or that it maximizes the potential of the firearm?
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Iíve built a couple of them. RIA creates their parts with loose tolerances just like they did with the old WWII colts. RIA creates so many 1911s it beneficial from a production standpoint to make them that way. You can literally take Parts kits as long as they are all RIA parts and assemble a functioning 1911 without any major fitting. Is it as quality as a fully fitted 1911? Heck no, and thatís why they are only $500 and the perfect 1911 for new 1911 Owners. Plus with the loose tolerances, they just run.

Edit: i actually have four. One that started off as a double stack GI 45acp that I pieced together to make their Tac Ultra model. The other a 40 Doublestack tactical that I can swap a 10mm slide and barrel . A double stack 9mm/38 super combo. And my first RIA a single stack tactical. All using RIA parts and barley any fitting.

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Fair enough, thanks for clarifying.
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Would it be possible to have them confirm?
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Yes. Theyíll even do it for you. But itís easy. Like building legos

Mosin, you already know what youíre doing as far as 1911 builds!


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Accurate pistols are not always reliable, and reliable pistols are not always accurate.

While you can have both, this typically comes at a price. Which is more important to you?
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Well I found a slide on ebay, last one too. Seller was selling at a really good price, so I went ahead and made the purchase. Much cheaper than buying from RIA. As a matter of fact RIA is sold out right now. Anyway lets hope this works out for me.
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Funny thing. This is the second time now I was able to buy an out of stock hard to find RIA part, on ebay. That 38 Super to 9mm swap must be really popular.
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Well I found a slide on ebay, last one too. Seller was selling at a really good price, so I went ahead and made the purchase. Much cheaper than buying from RIA. As a matter of fact RIA is sold out right now. Anyway lets hope this works out for me.
Watch out for the bull barrel slide (unless you have a bull barrel). I made that mistake

All my RIA parts have been drop in. These are mass produced go-no go gauge parts

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Funny thing. This is the second time now I was able to buy an out of stock hard to find RIA part, on ebay. That 38 Super to 9mm swap must be really popular.
Very popular because the 38 super Rock is on the roster and the 9mm isn't.
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> 90% chance it will fit fine. RIA long slides are all bull barrel only and they cut it for their own reverse plug. As for 5Ē model, I would ask first before buying.
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Title is misleading... you should change it to "Are RIA 1911 slides drop in parts?"
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I got a RIA 9mm slide for my RIA 45 acp frame, and it works just fine with no mods. That same slide will also work on my Springfield 45 acp frame, though it seems just a hair tighter.
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I think some of you guys think that all of the manufacturers use the same CNC program when machining these pistols. They do not.

When swapping parts, have any of you personally checked the slide fit to frame, the barrel lug to slide lug recess for fit, the barrel link length, the extractor fit, the ejector length, or the barrel bushing fit before taking it to a high-buck gunsmith who may not know more than you do about the pistol and/or replacement parts?

Most 1911 parts on the aftermarket or factory are from different manufacturers and they are not plug-and-play as Bill Gates would term it a couple of decades ago. Most parts need a bit of fitting (or more) to get the gun to run well. It might take just a bit of minor polishing to get rid of some sharp edges, or it may take a bit more.

I have been doing it on 1911's for over 30 years and no two guns or parts are the same.

I have a very good book on 1911 pistols by Jerry Kuhnhausen on .pdf file that I will send to anyone. It did not cost me a dime, and it will not cost you a dime until you decide to print out 208 pages.

PM me if you want it.

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I think some of you guys think that all of the manufacturers use the same CNC program when machining these pistols. They do not.
I don't think anyone was questioning that. The OP posted that he had a 38 super RIA and currently swaps out his barrel with the RIA 9mm. He wants a dedicated slide for the 9mm barrel and is wondering if he can purchase a RIA 9mm slide to place the 9mm barrel into for a dedicated 9mm upper. He is also wondering if will need a certain amount of fitting.

We all know most of the time with a 1911 when swapping part there is going to be little to lots of fitting and not all 1911 parts are manufactured the same and most of the time created oversized for the best possible "fitment".

In the OP's case. Yes, he will be able to use a RIA slide for drop-in installation with no fitting.

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based upon my actual experience: with RIA and RIA parts... if its a RIA Slide that's going into the appropriate RIA Frame that contains RIA parts... then it will fit with no need for gunmithing.
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I got a RIA 9mm slide for my RIA 45 acp frame, and it works just fine with no mods. That same slide will also work on my Springfield 45 acp frame, though it seems just a hair tighter.
You used a 9mm slide on a .45 frame? You don't have issues with hang ups/nose dives? The ramp angle from .45-9mm is a big difference. Unless you have a nonramped frame and you're using a ramped barrel?
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Drop on, its an exterior part. As for fitment could work, works on other guns.
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You used a 9mm slide on a .45 frame? You don't have issues with hang ups/nose dives? The ramp angle from .45-9mm is a big difference. Unless you have a non-ramped frame and you're using a ramped barrel?
A ramped barrel will require a slot milled into a non-ramped frame, no matter the caliber except the .22 conversion kits (because of the small case diameter and the style of the magazine due to the .22 being a rimmed cartridge).

IMO, I am not sure I would have as much of a problem with that as I would have with the ejector width and style. The .45 ejector is more narrow than the 9mm/.38 Super ejector and the .45 ejector might not contact the rim of the 9mm/.38 Super.

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When one mixes and matches parts, many things come into play.

But the OP said it was a .38 Super pistol with a 9mm barrel so I think that negates this discussion.

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A ramped barrel will require a slot milled into a non-ramped frame, no matter the caliber except the .22 conversion kits (because of the small case diameter and the style of the magazine due to the .22 being a rimmed cartridge).

IMO, I am not sure I would have as much of a problem with that as I would have with the ejector width and style. The .45 ejector is more narrow than the 9mm/.38 Super ejector and the .45 ejector might not contact the rim of the 9mm/.38 Super.

Some examples of .45 ejectors:



When one mixes and matches parts, many things come into play.

But the OP said it was a .38 Super pistol with a 9mm barrel so I think that negates this discussion.

Just my $.02 worth.

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I was only questioning the individual who stated that he put a 9mm slide and barrel on a .45 frame. This can be done, but usually requires a bit of work. By the way he explained it, he used a 9mm RIA slide and barrel and just slapped it on both a RIA and SA .45 frame. This seems odd to me, and was asking if he made any further modifications. Idk if the frames he was using were for ramped barrels or they were GI frames. If they were for ramped barrels, sure not too much to change out besides ejector when switching calibers. (Aside from slide and barrel of course)
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I’ve built a couple of them. RIA creates their parts with loose tolerances just like they did with the old WWII colts. RIA creates so many 1911s it beneficial from a production standpoint to make them that way. You can literally take Parts kits as long as they are all RIA parts and assemble a functioning 1911 without any major fitting. Is it as quality as a fully fitted 1911? Heck no, and that’s why they are only $500 and the perfect 1911 for new 1911 Owners. Plus with the loose tolerances, they just run.

Edit: i actually have four. One that started off as a double stack GI 45acp that I pieced together to make their Tac Ultra model. The other a 40 Doublestack tactical that I can swap a 10mm slide and barrel . A double stack 9mm/38 super combo. And my first RIA a single stack tactical. All using RIA parts and barley any fitting.

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This has been my experience with RIA as well.

I have one that started as a 38 Super, then I bought a 9mm barrel that just dropped in. Shot to the same POI, didn't have to adjust sights.

Then I got a 45ACP slide and barrel for it, and just needed to mill out the new slide's ejector channel to accommodate the 9/38 ejector. The fit between the new slide and frame rails was fine, no filing/lapping required.
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This has been my experience with RIA as well.

I have one that started as a 38 Super, then I bought a 9mm barrel that just dropped in. Shot to the same POI, didn't have to adjust sights.

Then I got a 45ACP slide and barrel for it, and just needed to mill out the new slide's ejector channel to accommodate the 9/38 ejector. The fit between the new slide and frame rails was fine, no filing/lapping required.
I've done the same thing. I just started with a 45acp, then added a 9mm slide with extra barrel in 38 Super.
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Got the new slide today. Dropped in like it was ment to be there.
I ended up using the parts from the 38 Super slide. Extractor, firing pin, firing pin spring, and firing pin stop. Advanced Tactical is out of 9mm extractors right now and I didn't feel like waiting for them to get back in stock. Cycles snap caps just fine. I do need to test it with real ammo to be sure it does work. No more G.I. style sights for me.
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Got the new slide today. Dropped in like it was ment to be there.
I ended up using the parts from the 38 Super slide. Extractor, firing pin, firing pin spring, and firing pin stop. Advanced Tactical is out of 9mm extractors right now and I didn't feel like waiting for them to get back in stock. Cycles snap caps just fine. I do need to test it with real ammo to be sure it does work. No more G.I. style sights for me.
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