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These Ukrainian arsenal made replica snipers can be good shooters.

Kind of cool that it has the correct stock for a 1942 rifle.

What happened to the original finish on the stock, did you remove it or did it come that way?
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These Ukrainian arsenal made replica snipers can be good shooters.

Kind of cool that it has the correct stock for a 1942 rifle.

What happened to the original finish on the stock, did you remove it or did it come that way?
Can you shed more light on this being a Ukranian arsenal replica? What indications are there that lead you to that conclusion? I'm far from an expert, and don't remember the dealer bringing up Ukraine. If you have any info I didn't share, please expand. Myself and any potential buyers would love to be informed.

This way the stock is pictured is the way I received it, not sure if this is original or if it has been refinished in some way previously. Looks amazing though, great condition and amazing color and feel to the wood.
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More info courtesy of Marcus for those interested-

"These Ukrainian made arsenal replica PU snipers were first imported back around 11 years ago.

The most immediate identifying feature is the scope and mount setup, which were manufactured by an optics firm called "Photo Device" (Foto Pribor) in Cherkassy, Ukraine. These have a copy of the star, optical lens & hammer and sickle markings found on WW2 scopes made at the "Progress" optics factory (which was set up for the Soviets by the German Carl Zeiss firm in the late 1920's-early 1930's period), but have a unique serial number prefix - the letter N, followed by a Russian Cyrillic letter that looks like a 4 or Y, but represents the "Ch" sound in Russian. This serial number prefix was never used by "Progress" - the only letter prefixes they ever used were A or a Cyrillic B.

Also, the machining and finish on the mount is different than on the originals, as are the imitation WW2 Soviet Izhevsk Arsenal proofs on the mount.

The "Photo Device" scopes are very high quality items, actually probably better than the WW2 originals due to the improvements in scope construction and lens technology since the WW2 period. Since these replica snipers were made in a former Soviet arsenal by former Soviet arsenal technicians, they are an interesting and somewhat collectable piece of Mosin and Mosin sniper history, much more so than any replicas assembled here.

There are also certain markings found on genuine WW2 PU snipers that are not found on the replicas. 1943, 44, and some 1942 Izhevsk PU snipers had the original scope serial number stamped on the barrel, and most (but not all) Tula snipers had a cn or CH sniper proof marking on the barrel.

I have been researching and collecting Mosin snipers for many years and am one of the authorities people go to when they want to know something about Mosin snipers or if one is genuine and was the first person to identify these particular ones as replicas when they were first imported. Like so many things coming out of Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union, there are a lot of very well done and high quality fakes, often represented as genuine and original. Such was the case with these rifles - the Ukrainians represented them to the importers (InterOrdnance was the first to import them, and the Ukrainian replica PE top-mount snipers made at the same arsenal at the same time) as genuine. Many importers, not being familiar with all the characteristics of genuine vs. replica snipers believed that, since they were coming right out of former Soviet Red Army war reserve storage in a former Soviet arsenal, they were real.

They can be excellent shooters, and many collectors, shooters, and WW2 re-enactors prefer to shoot these instead of the more valuable originals, to avoid the risk of damage to an original scope."
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