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Old 12-16-2008, 12:30 AM
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i wanna know if im alone on this one. ok who hates when people treat us like crap cuz we are younger and are into guns? ok cuz everytime i go to a gun shop the people dont even wanna help me cuz im not 60 or something
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I'd have to agree with you. When I went to buy my OLL I asked the guy if he handled OLL AR15's and he said, "No, and even if we did, you dont have enough money to even buy the grip" and I said "Oh, okay, I guess I'll have to take this elsewhere then " and showed him the $1300 I had in cash



Ended up going to another shop, completely customized the entire gun, had them build it for me, and made it mine for $834 including DROS and tax
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Well, I guess that depends on how young you are or look.

Remember, you are dealing with someone in the retail business. He knows that younger customers generally do not have the descretionary income to spend money on high dollar goods. If you look like you're under 25, then it is likely that's the case. There are many gun shops that look at youthful buyers as "lookie-loos" who come in to look and fondle without buying. From the dealer's perspective, many of these customers are "high labor, low value" customers because they consume at lot of time asking questions with little intent to purchase. And since under-25's are much more crime-prone, closer supervision is necessary.

Appearances count too. If you're in the shop on the weekend in saggy-baggies jeans and an oversized t-shirt with a HALO logo, I can see why you don't get much attention. If you wear something business casual you might be taken more seriously.

If all else fails, tell the owner/clerk you're expecting some O.T. or a bonus check and you're thinking of buying a "_________" with it. This says you are planning to spend money soon and are price shopping so the dealer may be able to persuade you to buy from him.
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Take business elsewhere n let that gun shop fall.

Never really had a problem buying a gun when i was 18 (a year ago) but yea.. Just have the greens in hand!
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I have to agree with what Bill said. Appearances are EVERYTHING. It makes no matter how young you are. You don't have to go out of your way to dress up, but clean jeans and a tucked-in polo shirt (8$ at target) go a long way to get some attention.

When I was younger and buying guns at 18/19/20, I always went into the shops with just a simple, cheap, black tucked-in polo shirt and never got treated differently for being young. I still looked young, don't get me wrong, but I didn't act it.
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Just make eye contact. I don't dress nice. Tee shirt with some band logo or a sci-fi show.... faded, worn out jeans and vans with the laces all messed up. I look around for what I want, and when I find it, make eye contact with one of the salesmen. Normally, if they aren't busy helping someone else, they come right over and get the business done.
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Remember, you are dealing with someone in the retail business. He knows that younger customers generally do not have the descretionary income to spend money on high dollar goods. If you look like you're under 25, then it is likely that's the case. There are many gun shops that look at youthful buyers as "lookie-loos" who come in to look and fondle without buying. From the dealer's perspective, many of these customers are "high labor, low value" customers because they consume at lot of time asking questions with little intent to purchase.
That is bad business if you ask me, sure he may not make a sale right away but a "lookie-loo" may save his money and be back to make a purchase down the road. I have a real problem with people who work in retail and give crap service. Retail is a service business, so I say swallow the attitude and and treat everyone with respect if that is your chosen profession. It's is easy to be a jerk, but only takes a little bit of effort to be courteous and helpful, and that can only help your business in the long run.

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This happens to me sometimes as well, so I just don't spend my money there. I always thought that good business meant getting young people to develop brand/store loyalty? oh well...
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why don't you all stop making excuses fro dealers. They decided to make money off their hobby. Doesn't make them great salesmen or businessmen for that matter. In fact almost all of them ( and I use this lightly ) lack interpersonal and customer service skills. And it's ok, bacause we don't go there to be treated like we open new CD account at small, struggling, local comunity bank. We go there cause they have what we need. Again....this is buyers world because they are not the only shop in town. Vote with yo money. And spew the FUD.
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ive had bad service at a gun shop, i left and took it else where.
ive never been back...just remember to say please and thank you
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i wanna know if im alone on this one. ok who hates when people treat us like crap cuz we are younger and are into guns? ok cuz everytime i go to a gun shop the people dont even wanna help me cuz im not 60 or something
Like, I know! Right?
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This happens to me sometimes as well, so I just don't spend my money there. I always thought that good business meant getting young people to develop brand/store loyalty? oh well...
thats what im talking about! im the kinda guy that if i like the shop i will always go to that store even if it a lil pricey
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I'd have to agree with you. When I went to buy my OLL I asked the guy if he handled OLL AR15's and he said, "No, and even if we did, you dont have enough money to even buy the grip" and I said "Oh, okay, I guess I'll have to take this elsewhere then " and showed him the $1300 I had in cash



Ended up going to another shop, completely customized the entire gun, had them build it for me, and made it mine for $834 including DROS and tax
I would so love to see the the expression on that guys face when you walked out... Great Story.
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i wanna know if im alone on this one. ok who hates when people treat us like crap cuz we are younger and are into guns? ok cuz everytime i go to a gun shop the people dont even wanna help me cuz im not 60 or something

I know exactly what you are talking about. I started a tornado of a thread regarding this topic:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=132751
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AdamM, where did you go to pick up your OLL for $834 out the door?

And I got that same kind of chit from the fellas in Martinez at Canyon Sports. Treated me like chit, so I went down teh road to Diablo Valey Gunworks and got some stuff from there that I had needed, but they didn't have the rifle I needed. Went to Contra Costa Collectible Firearms, they treated me fine. Sold me the Rifle I wanted and I wound up buying another one from them 11 days later when I picked up the first one. Great fellas there. They don't have any OLLs though :-/.

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AdamM, where did you go to pick up your OLL for $834 out the door?

And I got that same kind of chit from the fellas in Martinez at Canyon Sports. Treated me like chit, so I went down teh road to Diablo Valey Gunworks and got some stuff from there that I had needed, but they didn't have the rifle I needed. Went to Contra Costa Collectible Firearms, they treated me fine. Sold me the Rifle I wanted and I wound up buying another one from them 11 days later when I picked up the first one. Great fellas there. They don't have any OLLs though :-/.
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Everything other than what I listed I added afterwards

Oh, and it has a MIAD and a B-15 now. Definitely invest in those.


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Treat a young guy like crap and you'll be losing out on years of purchases. All of these old geezers with tons of guns were young once weren't they?
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I notice that treatment of young people at gunshops and gunshows once in awhile.Most gunshops don`t have the patience or even try to make time for the younger potential customers.Wrong!!!!!!!!!They are the future of gun owning in this country.I took the time to show a couple of youngsters various items that I was buying at a gun store(i.e let them handle an upper I was buying and a lower I was drosing).They went ahead and bought a couple of lowers apiece and I don`t even work there!
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Some clothes don't fit me, my pockets are full though. Just come to the table ready to play. The sellers thoughts are irrelevant unless buyers don't know what they want. Then all kinds of variables come into play. You will sell me what I want, if not, I find it someplace else. Good people in Castro. Calguns rocks!
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Don't be afraid to speak up, "Excuse me when you get a chance I have some question, or I'd like to see such and such" Most of my encounters either the guy behind the counter is with another customer or I'm just browsing for potential buys.
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At some of the bigger stores I have had that problem. I buy most of my guns from someone that I have become friends with so he knows me. He even gives me around 10% off everything I buy. But I have been to other gun stores and they treat me differently then the older people around. Especially when I ask about reloading stuff. They just kind of brush me off. Little do they know that I have spent almost as much on my reloading set-up and supplies and I have on guns. They think just because I am 21 I don't reload.

I work in construction so most of the time I am at a gun store I am in my work clothes. I think sometimes that helps me.
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I have to agree with what Bill said. Appearances are EVERYTHING. It makes no matter how young you are. You don't have to go out of your way to dress up, but clean jeans and a tucked-in polo shirt (8$ at target) go a long way to get some attention.
Yes appearances is everything. back in 2003 pulled into the chevy dealer in a toyota dressed in a old pair of shorts and a t-shirt. was checking out the corvettes in the showroom salesmen kept walking right past me after about 15 minutes.

this lady walks up to me and asks if i need any help i tell her i would like to test drive the 2003 Z06 corvette she told me o.k let me get the keys.

test drove it came back and bought the car. Funny thing was had the pre-approved check from the bank.
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Old 12-18-2008, 7:33 AM
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Dude...I've had older guys tell me "assault weapons" meh... if you like that kind of s**** go to Nevada.
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Appearence is one thing but imho the way you address people and your questions can help as well.

I'm kinda "youngish" looking but I have a C&R license and I like to look at the local gun shops consignments alot - these shops are usually run by older guys who prolly think I have no business even looking at the "antique stuff" but I usually make sure I address them formally and ask a couple well informed questions and they tend to drop the hard *** image.
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Knowing your stuff, and showing it by dropping a few comments to that effect really can change a salesperson's attitude quick. I've had that experience a few times.
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I don't really care what they do or say or want. i Do enough research via calguns or other sources i know what i want and what a reasonable price is. I tell them straight forward hey im interested in this. Usually they might give me some bs like i haven't researched the product im interested in. But after a quick convo they realize im well educated and looking to buy. from then on im treated as a "normal customer". For the most part i purchase online for the best deals.
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im 36 and still get bad service because im not 60 .,.,and i dont just look ,,,i buy .,.,
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I get terrible service everywhere I go, Im 22 and I'm very heavily tattooed (jaw-line down).

Once people talk to me and realize I'm an intelligent person and not a criminal their pretty cool but from a glance most don't even want me in their place of business.
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I totally agree that appearance is everything BUT having some knowledge isnt bad either. I just turned 20 early this December but I have been purchasing my own firearms since I turned 18. Some stores here in Bakersfield tend to treat me with little to no respect based on what I wear. I once wore a Hurley shirt, shorts, and some Reef flip flops and wasnt asked if I needed some help. A few weeks later I showed up with clean jeans, button up shirt, and black shoes and was treated better.

Also showing that you can properly handle a firearm (example is good trigger discipline) is key that you are experienced and not just a noob/mall ninja.
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I'm 26 and have never been treated poorly at a gun store
might just be where you live
when I was in high school I was even treated well
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I agree with a lot of what's been said.

Gun shops, or any business for that matter, shouldn't treat the young, or any other group, differently.

Sadly it happens.

There are a few ways to limit it though:

Looks: Like it's been said before, put on a clean pair of jeans or slacks and a collared shirt. Don't wear your pants lower than your ***.

Speech: Talk like you mean business. Know what you want, or at least know that you want something and have an idea about how the person at the counter can help you. If you don't know what you're talking about, it reinforces the "young & dumb" vibe. I went Christmas shopping a few weeks ago right after work. I was greasy, had 3 days worth of stubble, and had bags under my eyes like I hadn't slept in days. I looked quite homeless. When I went into a really nice shop, I grabbed a big-ticket item that I was getting as a gift and went strait to the counter. I said "can I leave this here while I shop for a few more things? And do you have a bag that I can take so I don't have to carry everything in my arms?" They said "no problem" and were very helpful with the rest of my purchasing. They knew I was there to throw money at them and it didn't matter what I looked like.

Attitude: Goes along with speech; know what you want, and be willing to go after it. Mean business. When I go into a busy bar and want to order a drink, I always have cash in hand and when the bartender sees it, it doesn't matter who was there first or last - he or she comes strait over to take my order.
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I can't really fault the gun shops for passing over the young guys, since so many are just lookers and feelers. I just turned 21, but probably look 19. At some of the ranges and shops, they never asked if I needed help; I would always have to go up to them and tell them what I needed. Needless to say I didn't by anything substantial from them; I'd rather pay more for service than save money from buying from those dicks.

I remember going to the car dealership the week after I graduated college and was basically ignored by every car salesmen there. No joke, I had to go up to one of them, show them my bank statement and job offer letter (with the salary highlighted) before they took me seriously.

Of course, I didn't actually buy from them in the end because the price they gave me was crap; they probably thought I would pay anything told me was a good deal, and treated me like I knew nothing about cars. Ended up negotiating a price on the same car and hammering it down over the phone at a different dealership before even meeting with the salesman. The look on his face when he saw me was absolutely priceless.

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My first experience at a gun store I was with a buddy and the older man behind the counter helped me out. I could tell he was agitated as I asked him really dumb noobish questions but when I got home I did my research. Came back a week later and bought my first gun. Boom. Ever since then, I've been fine and actually bought another gun.

I've been to that store so many times each worker has done paperwork with me. hahaha

And Big 5 was the best because some of the workers there don't even know anything about the guns. This one guy couldn't get a gun off the rack as he was trying to pull the holders. He didn't realize all you had to do was push it upwards instead of pulling it. lol He was all red after that. Moments later, as I was examining a 91/30, a customer asked about the 10/22. He was asking the guy questions and he had no clue so I answered them all.

I came in the next day to buy the gun and the 10/22 was gone.
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I remember going to the car dealership the week after I graduated college and was basically ignored by every car salesmen there. No joke, I had to go up to one of them, show them my bank statement and job offer letter (with the salary highlighted) before they took me seriously.
When i bought my last car same thing happened to me, given i prob wouldnt have approached someone who looks like me either. But the only salesman to ask me if I needed any help was another young kid who had never made a sale before.
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Most gun store workers treat us all like crap. They aren't particular about age.
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Money talks, if you're young; as I am, just make sure you're informed about what you plan to buy, don't act like some mall ninja, and don't take anything the salesperson says to the heart. Generally they assume you don't know anything. Let them know, hey I have intent to buy, but I want to check this out before I do..etc I've had only minor issues with the attitude at firearm related stores. I get it more from dealerships and other places.
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A lot of "gun people" that work in gun shop are not very personable, This has been said many time and I have to agree with it. I have worked in a gun shop before I have tried my best not to put anybody off, but it has happened sometimes. I think I have sold more to younger people than older people. I think gun shops need to hire younger staff. Younger staff will not be as judgementle as some older lady's and gents are.

I really want to open my own shop. I would do my best to pay my staff well. This will give me more motovated workers. I will open my own shop/complex one of these days. Some gun shop owners are retarded D!*KS and just take out on the workers and then the workers take it out on the customers.

But on the other hand, not all customers are CALGUN members and can drive someone up a wall. This is where I give my shout out to CALGUNS because this is the best forum out on the net PERIOD. Full of great people here and am proud to be a member.
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When you, a young feller, go into a gun store to purchase a firearm... and makes no difference on exact age. Let's just say this; I'm 52 years of age, and you are say under 30... You are a young feller to me.

I worked in a gun store for about 4 years, and now operate my own place.

It makes NO difference to me what you think, moreover, I seriously care less how you FEEL about it. Here is what I will red light you on, and remember... I have the store; I am in charge, you ARE NOT.

Be a good and respectable person, and I will be the very best sales associate I can possibly be for your purchase... "I work for you", and I give you my word of honor on that. I can assure you of one thing, I like guns as much as you… possibly more than you do.

Very sorry if this sounds harsh, I am very sorry and I apologize in advance. This not meant to hurt your feelings. All you have to do is be a respectable person and adhere to the following. Anything less is disrespect and I do not care if you take your business elsewhere... if you are disrespectful, I DO NOT want your type of 'disrespectful' business - therefore we would agree and so GET OUT!

Gun Dealers get enough disrespect from the gun grabbers and their politicians... we sure as hale don't need it from you!

Here are a few of my peeves:

Do not walk up to the gun counter acting like a tough-guy, because it DOES NOT make you appear older.

Take OFF the sunglasses!

Do not get all mouthy with me when I ask you for your I.D. if you want me to take a gun out of the glass case or from the rack so you can demo it. When I say "sure, may I first see your I.D. and verify your age?" – Please don’t say anything, simply get your wallet, open it, take your I.D. out and peacefully hand it to me. I will verify your age, and then if all is good... we may continue, period. In most cases, I am not only checking your age, I am checking your attitude as well, so please don’t blow it.

Do not wear your baseball cap sideways! - Turn your baseball cap straight where the bill is above your forehead... or even turn it all the way straight back, bill over your neck... I am okay with that. But, dude... sideways just REALLY makes you look (excuse me) DUMB! Moreover, I DO NOT care to sell a gun to someone what looks DUMB!

Before you come to a gun store... get those ridiculous baggy pants with the crotch wayyyyyyy down between your knees and your underwear showing all the way up to your NECK! Dude... I seen girls your own age LAUGH at you young fellers thinking it's cool... well it aint... and IT AINT cool especially in a gun shop, let alone what your dang girlfriend laughing at you!

Note, a little baggy is the fashion… I can go with that. Hey, I wore bell-bottoms when I was a kid, so I understand. The thing I’m talking about is the extreme mega baggy… well, you know. Just think a little before you go firearm shopping.

Do NOT wear gang colors and expect to get two steps inside my door! I DO NOT want to hear "oh, I'm not in a gang...", because if you are a kid, excuse me... if you are 'young' then you KNOW what gang colors are, and SO DO I know what they are... I will call you on it. I figure if you have enough b@lls to walk in a gun store wearing gang clothing and expect me to show you a firearm... I have enough b@lls to call you on it!

I wish I had a Polaroid and look on the face when I say "hey... NO GANG CLOTHING in here, you gonna have to leave!"

Well, I am certain I may have left something out, but suffice it to say 'I think y'all git my point!'

Respectable is the key word here gents... respect me the older guy, and I will respect you ten fold, I guarantee it!

Then when you get your own shop, you can do what you want.
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All those are valid things. Obviously as a gun shop, you have to filter out the riffraff, and appearances is the number one thing people judge others on. Still, when I go in wearing a dress shirt and slacks (or at least nice jeans), some of the stores (not just only gun stores) still don't take me seriously. It sucks sometimes, but that's the way it is I guess. For these guys, money talks, so I dress like it, but sometimes it's still not enough.
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When you, a young feller, go into a gun store to purchase a firearm... and makes no difference on exact age. Let's just say this; I'm 52 years of age, and you are say under 30... You are a young feller to me.

I worked in a gun store for about 4 years, and now operate my own place.

It makes NO difference to me what you think, moreover, I seriously care less how you FEEL about it. Here is what I will red light you on, and remember... I have the store; I am in charge, you ARE NOT.

Be a good and respectable person, and I will be the very best sales associate I can possibly be for your purchase... "I work for you", and I give you my word of honor on that. I can assure you of one thing, I like guns as much as you… possibly more than you do.

Very sorry if this sounds harsh, I am very sorry and I apologize in advance. This not meant to hurt your feelings. All you have to do is be a respectable person and adhere to the following. Anything less is disrespect and I do not care if you take your business elsewhere... if you are disrespectful, I DO NOT want your type of 'disrespectful' business - therefore we would agree and so GET OUT!

Gun Dealers get enough disrespect from the gun grabbers and their politicians... we sure as hale don't need it from you!

Here are a few of my peeves:

Do not walk up to the gun counter acting like a tough-guy, because it DOES NOT make you appear older.

Take OFF the sunglasses!

Do not get all mouthy with me when I ask you for your I.D. if you want me to take a gun out of the glass case or from the rack so you can demo it. When I say "sure, may I first see your I.D. and verify your age?" – Please don’t say anything, simply get your wallet, open it, take your I.D. out and peacefully hand it to me. I will verify your age, and then if all is good... we may continue, period. In most cases, I am not only checking your age, I am checking your attitude as well, so please don’t blow it.

Do not wear your baseball cap sideways! - Turn your baseball cap straight where the bill is above your forehead... or even turn it all the way straight back, bill over your neck... I am okay with that. But, dude... sideways just REALLY makes you look (excuse me) DUMB! Moreover, I DO NOT care to sell a gun to someone what looks DUMB!

Before you come to a gun store... get those ridiculous baggy pants with the crotch wayyyyyyy down between your knees and your underwear showing all the way up to your NECK! Dude... I seen girls your own age LAUGH at you young fellers thinking it's cool... well it aint... and IT AINT cool especially in a gun shop, let alone what your dang girlfriend laughing at you!

Note, a little baggy is the fashion… I can go with that. Hey, I wore bell-bottoms when I was a kid, so I understand. The thing I’m talking about is the extreme mega baggy… well, you know. Just think a little before you go firearm shopping.

Do NOT wear gang colors and expect to get two steps inside my door! I DO NOT want to hear "oh, I'm not in a gang...", because if you are a kid, excuse me... if you are 'young' then you KNOW what gang colors are, and SO DO I know what they are... I will call you on it. I figure if you have enough b@lls to walk in a gun store wearing gang clothing and expect me to show you a firearm... I have enough b@lls to call you on it!

I wish I had a Polaroid and look on the face when I say "hey... NO GANG CLOTHING in here, you gonna have to leave!"

Well, I am certain I may have left something out, but suffice it to say 'I think y'all git my point!'

Respectable is the key word here gents... respect me the older guy, and I will respect you ten fold, I guarantee it!

Then when you get your own shop, you can do what you want.
Remind me to never shop at your store. I refuse to shop at someone's store who bases the type of service he will give on one's ball cap configuration or choice in colors.

One of your quotes sums it up well:
"Be a good and respectable person, and I will be the very best sales associate I can possibly be for your purchase"

^^^ That should be enough; your "pet peeves" should not be included into the equation. Of course, its your store, and your rules. Do as you wish.
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