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Sorry if this has been covered (I searched) but what parts are needed to make a 45 ACP firing AR-15? Thanks
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A .45 upper with bolt, a mag well adapter (if neccessary), and a .45 magazine (sten mags are the most common)
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A .45 upper with bolt, a mag well adapter (if neccessary), and a .45 magazine (sten mags are the most common)
Thanks! Who is selling this stuff?
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Here's one that uses .45 UZI magazines.
http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?pag...mart&Itemid=37

You will also need a magazine well adapter.
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Here's one that uses .45 UZI magazines.
http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?pag...mart&Itemid=37

You will also need a magazine well adapter.
How is the adapter attached? Is it on the lower or on the mag?
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Where can one find .45 uzi mags...for less than two hundred bucks a piece?
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i want one but its hard to find a 45 magazine that fits in a magwell

guess noone wants to make a 1911 adapter block
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i want one but its hard to find a 45 magazine that fits in a magwell

guess noone wants to make a 1911 adapter block
I'll talk to my machinist buddy about this. Maybe we can get something going.
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I don't know what kind of mag adapter blocks you will need. The .45 upper kit I linked comes with mod 10 round UZI mags. The problem with pistol caliber convertios on th AR platform is that nothing is standardized outside of the 9mm Colt system, and even that has a variance for Colt or Uzi mags. A 1911 magazine based rifle would look funny because of the feed angle of the 1911. MGI is also working on a Glock mag based system.
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If you are going featureless why would you want a 1911 .45 mag when you could have a double stack Stern/Uzi mag that will hold more ammo. Given you had them pre-2000.
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AR45 receiver: Uses Grease gun mags.

http://www.cncguns.com/projects/AR45lower.html





You'll have to buy the 10% receiver ($300) and either finish it off yourself or have an FFL 07 finish for you. He has a recommended FFL to finish the receiver to a 100% for $80.

11 page AR15 thread on .45 AR15

Should be able to get all the .45 info you need from that thread.
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Still no luck on .45 Uzi mags?
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They're going to be hard to find. When you do, they won't be cheap too.

Have you tried www.uzitalk.com Classified Ads section (you have to register to see that part of the forum)
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2nd option can always be HK USC?
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That would be nice as well, another option, XD45 mags?
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If you are going featureless why would you want a 1911 .45 mag when you could have a double stack Stern/Uzi mag that will hold more ammo. Given you had them pre-2000.
because at most an uzi mag holds 16 and i dont know if you have priced them out lately i sure dont want to weld those horrible olympic stampings to my imi mags

and i have a few 15 round 1911 mags ive only ever used on a camp carbine
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With the AR45 you would have to go featureless unless you can figure out some way to lock the custom mag release it uses.
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it seems like you have quite a bit of options, what are you going to go with?
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I fail to see the advantage. Seems like a lot of drawbacks just to be able to use the same ammo as your handgun.
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Its news to me that STEN mags work with .45 Auto....grease gun, yes...

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Not an AR15, but another option...



MSAR MCS (Modular Carbine System) - an AUG bullpup clone in pistol caliber configurations: 9mm, .357 SIG, .40, .45 GAP, .45 ACP, 10mm. Uses factory Glock mags.

Add a BB to it, make sure it's OAL =30" or more and your good to go. A 18" barrel would make it to a CA legal length. But, they currently only sell their STG 556 (.223/5.56 models) with 16" (OAL = 27") & 20" barrels. Your stuck with 10 rds mags though.

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Not an AR15, but another option...

Oh crap.
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So I got this 0% lower (solid forging) that I'm trying to figure out what to do with. What if I machined out the mag well for a 45 ACP mag of some sort (probably Uzi or Sten), then added a release mechanism to work with the mag? Would that be worthwhile?
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Not an AR15, but another option...



MSAR MCS (Modular Carbine System) - an AUG bullpup clone in pistol caliber configurations: 9mm, .357 SIG, .40, .45 GAP, .45 ACP, 10mm. Uses factory Glock mags.

Add a BB to it, make sure it's OAL =30" or more and your good to go. A 18" barrel would make it to a CA legal length. But, they currently only sell their STG 556 (.223/5.56 models) with 16" (OAL = 27") & 20" barrels. Your stuck with 10 rds mags though.

To change caliber:
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  • Change mag adapter insert

MSAR has put the pistol calibered (9x19mm, .357SIG, .40S&W, 10mmAuto, .45GAP & .45ACP) version on hold. They not saying when they'll start it back up.

Instead of a magazine lock, how about making a "fin" that goes from pistol grip to the magazine well and locking the forward grip in the horizontal position? That way you can use your large capacity magazines.
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MSAR has put the pistol calibered (9x19mm, .357SIG, .40S&W, 10mmAuto, .45GAP & .45ACP) version on hold. They not saying when they'll start it back up.

Instead of a magazine lock, how about making a "fin" that goes from pistol grip to the magazine well and locking the forward grip in the horizontal position? That way you can use your large capacity magazines.
It's back on track, according to an MSAR employee. There is a thread on AR15.com about it in the Armory/ bullpup section.

No specific release date yet though...he made it sound like it will be soon. But, we know how release dates go...
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With the AR45 you would have to go featureless unless you can figure out some way to lock the custom mag release it uses.
I have an AR45, and love it. But the above is correct.
For California residents I'd recommend the Bazooka Brothers lower. It uses the standard AR mag release so can be fitted with a bullet button.
It also uses grease gun magazines.





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Its news to me that STEN mags work with .45 Auto....grease gun, yes...

...gotta link?
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Read the ARFCOM link posted earlier.
Tangochaser has gotten 45 HP to work with sten mags by opening the feedlips. The OAL of FMJ rounds is too long.

AR45 with sten mags
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8es1gCrjkUQ

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I have an AR45, and love it. But the above is correct.
For California residents I'd recommend the Bazooka Brothers lower. It uses the standard AR mag release so can be fitted with a bullet button.
It also uses grease gun magazines.
Sweet AR45! Thanks for the pics and info.

If I wanted to use this BAZ45 setup, would I have to make it a featureless build since I'll be using 30 rnd mags with it?
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Sweet AR45! Thanks for the pics and info.

If I wanted to use this BAZ45 setup, would I have to make it a featureless build since I'll be using 30 rnd mags with it?
If you already own GG mags, yes I'd recommend a featureless build. In that case you could use an AR45 or the BAZ45 since you don't need a bullet button.

If you don't have pre 2000 GG mags, then I would recommend the BAZ45 and a bullet button build.
You can get new GG magazines from Keep Shooting. They may be able to send them to you disassembled so you can cut them to 10 round size before assembly. Otherwise an out of state friend may be able to offer you the same service.
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Tangochaser has gotten 45 HP to work with sten mags by opening the feedlips. The OAL of FMJ rounds is too long.
Thank you for the info (I hadn't read the link).

A .45 that doesn't chamber ball ammo? No thanx...

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If you already own GG mags, yes I'd recommend a featureless build. In that case you could use an AR45 or the BAZ45 since you don't need a bullet button.

If you don't have pre 2000 GG mags, then I would recommend the BAZ45 and a bullet button build.
You can get new GG magazines from Keep Shooting. They may be able to send them to you disassembled so you can cut them to 10 round size before assembly. Otherwise an out of state friend may be able to offer you the same service.
Can you point me towards a list of all the evil features? I can't remember what all they consist of now. Thanks!
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Dammit, hidden in plain sight! Thanks.

One more question... if I order some of those 30 rnd mags and have my friend in Arizona fix them at 10 rounds for me, do I have to really cut them down? How involved does the fix from 30->10 rounds really have to be to make it legal?
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Dammit, hidden in plain sight! Thanks.

One more question... if I order some of those 30 rnd mags and have my friend in Arizona fix them at 10 rounds for me, do I have to really cut them down? How involved does the fix from 30->10 rounds really have to be to make it legal?
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But, I would say you could use the same technique people use for things like 10/30 Pmags. Using a rivet to block the follower.
There are others here who are not comfortable with that technique.
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Don't look for .45 Uzi mags at the Uzi forums; they'll burn you at the stake for ruining the scarce 16 round Uzi mags (they have to be modified for use in the Olympic .45 lower by welding on a mag well adapter). I have a registerred .45 acp Uzi Carbine, but I also can convert it to 9mm and have pre-ban high capacity mags for both. The .45 acp conversion gets zero range time anymore.

Personally I prefer 9mm to .45 in a carbine, flatter shooting, higher capacity and cheaper ammo. I have a 9mm conversion for an AR15 and like it a lot.

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But, I would say you could use the same technique people use for things like 10/30 Pmags. Using a rivet to block the follower.
There are others here who are not comfortable with that technique.
Be careful.
How about a piece of pine cut to the size of the inside of the mag and to the right height with a couple of screws going into each side of the mag and into the wood? Seems like a pretty solid fix and reversible if ever need be, like if they become legal, etc.
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How about a piece of pine cut to the size of the inside of the mag and to the right height with a couple of screws going into each side of the mag and into the wood? Seems like a pretty solid fix and reversible if ever need be, like if they become legal, etc.
The fix should be permanent without the use of cutting tools.
So, anything you can remove with common handtools is not going to be permanent.
A drill bit is a cutting tool regardless if you put it in a handheld drill.
Use a rivet, or make indentations in the mag tube to stop the follower.
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Reversible is the problem. They have to be permanently altered... 30 round mags are cheap. If they ever become legal again, buy more!
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Reversible is the problem. They have to be permanently altered... 30 round mags are cheap. If they ever become legal again, buy more!
OK, good point. So how about pop rivets instead of screws? Is that permanent enough?
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The fix should be permanent without the use of cutting tools.
So, anything you can remove with common handtools is not going to be permanent.
A drill bit is a cutting tool regardless if you put it in a handheld drill.
Use a rivet, or make indentations in the mag tube to stop the follower.
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