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View Poll Results: .338 RUM vs .338 Lapua
.338 RUM 6 10.91%
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.338 RUM vs .338 Lapua, which one would you get? Looking for a long range target and hunting gun but cannot decide which one to get. The Lapua has the coolness factor but seems to cost more.
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Lapua.

Just for the coolness factor.
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I have an AR30 in 338 LM, like it and reload for 2 or 3 others. So far as fps, the 338 RUM is at least the equal of the 338 LM, but I'll leave to others any discussion of inherent accuracy

No contest in the cost area, even when reloading. RUM brass is dirt cheap compared to the LM, but the LM brass (Norma anyway) is durable as hell.

On coolness, I'd say the LM. I wouldn't buy a 338 LM unless I reloaded, just to expensive to shoot enough to become proficient - and accuracy is the ultimate cool.
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Agreed, don't get a .338LM unless you plan to make your own loads.
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No contest in the cost area, even when reloading. RUM brass is dirt cheap compared to the LM, but the LM brass (Norma anyway) is durable as hell.
Norma, in my experience is not as good as Lapua brass. A guy on Sniper's Hide reported 17-20 reloads on his LM brass, not sure what his loads were ( I am not anywhere near that yet on my Lapua brass, so I can't confirm from my experience), whereas there have been reports of necks splitting after 3-4 reloads on Norma brass (that I should be able to confirm soon).
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Norma, in my experience is not as good as Lapua brass. A guy on Sniper's Hide reported 17-20 reloads on his LM brass, not sure what his loads were ( I am not anywhere near that yet on my Lapua brass, so I can't confirm from my experience), whereas there have been reports of necks splitting after 3-4 reloads on Norma brass (that I should be able to confirm soon).
You're right - I got my "over there" manufacturers mixed up.
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Planning on reloading whatever caliber I end up with. Looks like Lapua is winning. Plan to hunt elk but mostly for target shooting.
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We should put together a list of both affordable and high dollar rifles chambered for .338LM.

Barrett is one that I really want but M24armorer custom makes some in AI (IIRC) stocks that are really beachin and cost a lot less.
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This is a question I have had for quite some time, however I would like to see in depth data to make a more informed decision.

For me cool isn't one of the factors, cost certainly is and with that said the RUM wins over LAP hands down in cost comparison for reloading.

Accuracy comparison is something I would l to see.

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I was doing a little research and they also have the .338 edge which is a necked up .300 RUM and suppose to have 7% more capacity then the Lapua. Hmm.......
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This is a question I have had for quite some time, however I would like to see in depth data to make a more informed decision.

For me cool isn't one of the factors, cost certainly is and with that said the RUM wins over LAP hands down in cost comparison for reloading.

Accuracy comparison is something I would l to see.

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Plan to hunt elk but mostly for target shooting.
What's wrong with 300 win mag?
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What's wrong with 300 win mag?
Nothing except I my dad has a few which we use for hunting Wanted something different to impress him I'm actually thinking I will not be using it for hunting since I want a nice gun and don't want to bang it up.
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I have a Lapua and so does my hunting buddy. This summer we shot with Shawn Carlock up in Idaho ( http://www.defensiveedge.net/ ) out to 1850 yds. Three of the guys there had Edges made by Shawn...they were getting 2850 FPS plus with the Edge and 32 inch barrel. Both my buddy and I were getting 2750 FPS with our Lapuas. When we shot those long distances they did have a wind and drop advantage. My buddy had an Edge built with a 30 inch barrel and just got it, When we chrono'd it he was getting an easy 2850 with mild pressure signs. All this shooting has been done with 300 grain Sierra Match Kings. I went a different path...I had my Lapua rechambered to a Lapua Improved with a 35 degree shoulder and now i am making 2900 fps easy! So you can see that all these are viable options.
My buddy has a friend who just had a 338 RUM made with a 27 inch rock barrel...he is getting 2770 fps and shot an elk at 725 yds. 300 smk's...walked 30 yds. and he limped 30 yds. and he hit em again and killed him quick...pm me if you want any more details....30-338






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I was doing a little research and they also have the .338 edge which is a necked up .300 RUM and suppose to have 7% more capacity then the Lapua. Hmm.......
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Well, I ended up just getting a .300 wsm to use for a build project. With the bad economy, reality set in and I figured I should watch what I spend. When times are better, I will get the lapua.
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Well, I ended up just getting a .300 wsm to use for a build project. With the bad economy, reality set in and I figured I should watch what I spend. When times are better, I will get the lapua.
Well it's not the Lapua, but nothing wrong with the 300 WSM. I have one in a Savage 12 BVSS and it's very accurate, plenty of bang for your buck. I haven't used mine that far, but it's a 1,000 yd cartridge, right?
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Well it's not the Lapua, but nothing wrong with the 300 WSM. I have one in a Savage 12 BVSS and it's very accurate, plenty of bang for your buck. I haven't used mine that far, but it's a 1,000 yd cartridge, right?
Yes, it should be able to reach out to 1000 yards. Now if the shooter can hit the target that far is another question . Its basically the same performance as a the 300 win mag.
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Well it's not the Lapua, but nothing wrong with the 300 WSM. I have one in a Savage 12 BVSS and it's very accurate, plenty of bang for your buck. I haven't used mine that far, but it's a 1,000 yd cartridge, right?
308 is a 1000yd cartridge too.
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The 300wsm with 180gr. does a sweet # on the blacktail around here too. If you dont like to track blood.
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We should put together a list of both affordable and high dollar rifles chambered for .338LM.

Barrett is one that I really want but M24armorer custom makes some in AI (IIRC) stocks that are really beachin and cost a lot less.
Remington has a Police in 338LM right around 1300
desert tactical arms make a 338lm for about 3700
SAKO TRG 2700ish
the barrett as i understand is like 4500 msrp... no way...
blaser is around 3500
GAP and other builders have them for around 3500+

i know theres stuff i left of.

oh and as for rum vs LM... as with what others are saying, if you dont reload, its expensive... i just paid 5.50 a round for some LM match stuff.(while im waiting on a rock chuker)

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I am glad we only have 100 yard ranges in the bay area otherwise I would have to buy soemthing like this.
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For me cool isn't one of the factors, cost certainly is and with that said the RUM wins over LAP hands down in cost comparison for reloading.

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There is no such thing as a 1,000 yard cartridge, IMNSHO. There ARE 1,000 yard cartridge/rifle/sight/shooter combinations to be had, but one may or may not have a 1,000 yard cartridge, depending on the other factors. No one can say until they have shot at and hit at that range, whether it is a .45-70-500 or a .50 BMG.

All my better rifles are 400 yard rifles, at least for now, because I have practiced regularly at 400 yards. They and I may have more potential, but that is all it is, potential, not fact.

All that being said, I would have picked the .338 RUM over the Lapua, since the name isn't worth the difference in costs to me, but the .300 WSM is probably the most practical pick of the bunch for hunting elk.
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There is no such thing as a 1,000 yard cartridge, IMNSHO. There ARE 1,000 yard cartridge/rifle/sight/shooter combinations to be had, but one may or may not have a 1,000 yard cartridge, depending on the other factors. No one can say until they have shot at and hit at that range, whether it is a .45-70-500 or a .50 BMG.

All my better rifles are 400 yard rifles, at least for now, because I have practiced regularly at 400 yards. They and I may have more potential, but that is all it is, potential, not fact.
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