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Old 05-31-2017, 9:21 PM
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So I live with my mother me her and her step mom. We are estranged from my father because he's pretty much living piece of crap. So anyways my mother confronted him because he stopped by to talk to my sister that is home from college on sunday, which he never does. He got mad and came by earlier today while we were all at work and told my step-granny that he's going to tell the police that my guns are illegal, they are not, i literally have all the DROS paperwork in a folder. TBH it kinda pissed me off and shook me because all he would have to do is call the police and say I was threatening him, which i haven't even looked at the guy, and the police will come running in a confiscate them all. Should I be the one to call the cops first and tell him he's not supposed to be here, my mother does not have a restraining order on him and they have not been formerly divorced, but have been separated for over 10 years now?
Any advice, honestly i know he doesn't have any leverage, but cali/cops in general here are too gun grabby. Should i store them in my girlfriends house?
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Without any evidence of you actually threatened him, you're fine. It will be his word against yours and your mothers, and your granny. His complaint would be taken with a grain of salt, assuming everything you've said is true. You're fine.
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ok thanks, yeah, i didn't even know he knew i owned a few firearms, i guess he found out somehow. thanks for giving me some fresh air aces
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Get a restraining order against him and tell him to hit the bricks. If he comes around again call GPD and they'll have a talk with him.
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i'll look into a restraining order, don't even know where to start, how much does one run you?
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I'd file a report....just so you have some paperwork showing the nature of the relationship. It would help in a he says...she says type of situation..
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I'd file a report....just so you have some paperwork showing the nature of the relationship. It would help in a he says...she says type of situation..
I told my mother that we should call the police first and tell them about this. I think I will later today
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Your Mom needs to get a divorce. Even will separated she can be liable for things he does.
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If he were to be sued, in a accident, etc she could still be held liable since they are still legally married. Any assets she has could be legally his because CA is a community property State.
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without a legal separation/divorce he COULD come to the house and gain entry.

If he is a threat to you or your family and you reside at the home you can get a restraining order against him. will it add fuel to the fire ? maybe, but it could protect you if he decides to be stupid.

I wouldn't risk a he said / she said - what if - with my 2A rights in Kalifornia.

I don't see what report you could make with GPD unless he was trespassing and there are certain criteria that must be met in order to establish trespassing violations.

if he has made threats against the family you should report it and make sure you get a report number or a copy of the report. it will help with the restraining order.

it is his right to be a douchebag.

You need to protect yourself ( and your guns) as well as your family.
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Maybe move out and get your own place so you can be the adult who decides who comes onto your property or not.
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Thanks guys, yes I am planning to move out, by the end of the year, still helping my mother with bills and such. My guns are locked up, I just don't know how to go about getting a restraining order
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cali/cops in general here are too gun grabby. Should i store them in my girlfriends house?

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I'm sorry, but I've had two friends in different cities have their firearms confiscated because the first one was cleaning his in his back porch and neighborhood kids saying he was brandishing them, the second one got his confiscated because his parents were having a loud argument. Lapd and diamond bar respectively. This thread was not in the LEO section at first it was in the 2a litigation and I guess was moved by a mod. I'm sorry if you took offense to it
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I'd file a report....just so you have some paperwork showing the nature of the relationship. It would help in a he says...she says type of situation..
^^^ "File a report" for what? Cops don't just write reports for incidents that don't involve criminal activity. Right now, the OP has a "he-said/he-said" story at best and that's hearsay. He's got nothing. Why do so many people think that cops will "take a report" for issues that don't yet concern the police? I always laugh at those "demands."

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I'm sorry, but I've had two friends in different cities have their firearms confiscated because the first one was cleaning his in his back porch and neighborhood kids saying he was brandishing them, the second one got his confiscated because his parents were having a loud argument. Lapd and diamond bar respectively. This thread was not in the LEO section at first it was in the 2a litigation and I guess was moved by a mod. I'm sorry if you took offense to it
^^^ Sounds like you need to hang out with a better crowd of friends. Us cops just don't "confiscate" guns just for a "verbal argument." Nor do we confiscate guns for someone just "cleaning them on the back porch." There's more to those two stories than what you presented.
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^^^ Sounds like you need to hang out with a better crowd of friends. Us cops just don't "confiscate" guns just for a "verbal argument." Nor do we confiscate guns for someone just "cleaning them on the back porch." There's more to those two stories than what you presented.
Yeah because all cops know every detail about firearms rights. My story is as it stands believe it or not it happened the domestic call the guy got his guns back, the "brandishing" he moved out of the state
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I'd file a report....just so you have some paperwork showing the nature of the relationship. It would help in a he says...she says type of situation..
No crime, no report. Personally document it and keep it in your records. If you feel you absolutley need to, you can contact non-emergency dispatch to tell them what happened and request an event number. No report will be made and you may not even speak with an actual officer, however the call will be documented and notes may be added to the event through dispatch.


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Yeah because all cops know every detail about firearms rights. My story is as it stands believe it or not it happened the domestic call the guy got his guns back, the "brandishing" he moved out of the state
Unless you were there for both incidents, you only have your friend's point of view. I'm not saying your friend is completley lying but im pretty sure he's either choosing not telling you the whole story, or seriously just saw and interpreted the situation through his own lens which may or may not have happened the way he saw it, both understandable. Despite what some of the paranoid guys on this forum say (many of which speak only on emotion and "what if" scenarios with no actual experience, or knowledge of the law) most cops I work with (including me) are actually very pro 2A, support legal CCW, and do not confiscate firearms unless absolutley neccessary and legal to do so. While the media, social media, and general public often spread negative opinions about cops, i truly hope you give your local law enforcement a chance to earn your trust and take any situations you may encounter with them with an open mind. There is no doubt that there are bad cops out there, however just like there are bad people in the world, there are many more good ones than the bad ones. Good luck to you pal.
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Maybe move out and get your own place so you can be the adult who decides who comes onto your property or not.

Sounds like a good deal right here.

If you feel you need a protective order, contact the court and state your case. An emergency protective order applied for on your behalf by an officer would not fit the bill here IMO.
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I'm sorry, but I've had two friends in different cities have their firearms confiscated because the first one was cleaning his in his back porch and neighborhood kids saying he was brandishing them, the second one got his confiscated because his parents were having a loud argument. Lapd and diamond bar respectively. This thread was not in the LEO section at first it was in the 2a litigation and I guess was moved by a mod. I'm sorry if you took offense to it
So based on 2 second hand incidents you can conclusively state that "cops especially in Calif are too gun grabby"

Yeah, you're probably right, there's about 80,000 cops in California and those two incidents are the norm.
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So based on 2 second hand incidents you can conclusively state that "cops especially in Calif are too gun grabby"

Yeah, you're probably right, there's about 80,000 cops in California and those two incidents are the norm.
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Yeah because all cops know every detail about firearms rights. My story is as it stands believe it or not it happened the domestic call the guy got his guns back, the "brandishing" he moved out of the state
Oh ok. Sounds like you already have all the answers then.
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Why are the cops so touchy on this thread? I've come across great cops in my day and i've come across absolute pieces of roid rage trash.

In the end, cops are people and it makes sense that some are going to not know the laws and just decide to arrest and let the DA sort it out later. 'If he's innocent, then he'll be released' right?
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Why are the cops so touchy on this thread? I've come across great cops in my day and i've come across absolute pieces of roid rage trash.

In the end, cops are people and it makes sense that some are going to not know the laws and just decide to arrest and let the DA sort it out later. 'If he's innocent, then he'll be released' right?
One reason that we may be perceived as "So Touchy" is that most of us have learned the hard way that when some event begins to take a wrong turn, and go down the wrong path, that nothing good ever seems to come out of it. Bad news does not improve with time. So we very deliberately try to address such issues right at the beginning, so as to avoid that whole problem.

You're right, were human and suspect to all of the frailties of being human. But that does not lead to the kind of "Punt" that you describe of making an arrest and letting the DA sort it out. What would usually happen is that the offending officer would then learn of his mistake, often in written form, and then have to deal with it, expending several times the effort as would have been required to do it right in the first place.
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Why are the cops so touchy on this thread? I've come across great cops in my day and i've come across absolute pieces of roid rage trash.

In the end, cops are people and it makes sense that some are going to not know the laws and just decide to arrest and let the DA sort it out later. 'If he's innocent, then he'll be released' right?
No one is touchy in this thread from what I gather.

The peace officers' responses in this thread were warranted. The OP made a broad and assumptive statement about peace officers that was unfounded and fictional, at best.

You're correct. Peace officers are humans and do not know all the laws nor do they pretend that they do. Whether you intended to or not, your backhanded statement that peace officers can arrest just because they want to and let someone else sort it out is unbelievably false. That's not how the law works, believe it or not.
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^Yet it happens all the time.... I have too many stories of people who have had their lives ruined over little things.

Sometimes, it not about just an issue of discretion but its an issue of the law itself that police enforce irregardless of how stupid or destructive it may be.

Take marijuana for example....how many people spent time in jail because someone higher up decided it was an evil to society. Now i personally dont' use drugs at all but i can recognize that this is a b.s. law.

How many cops looked at these issues back in the day and decided...this is b.s...i'm not going to arrest or cite this person for possession? The vast majority did what they were told and were part of something that ruined countless lives.

You can't expect people to have lived through decades of this and then have a positive view of police.

With that said....i do believe there are good police and bad police but don't expect me to sit around trying to figure out which one is which
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So marijuana laws are to blame for societies problems and view of cops...........?

My how this thread has quickly deteriorated.
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^Yet it happens all the time.... I have too many stories of people who have had their lives ruined over little things.

Sometimes, it not about just an issue of discretion but its an issue of the law itself that police enforce irregardless of how stupid or destructive it may be.

Take marijuana for example....how many people spent time in jail because someone higher up decided it was an evil to society. Now i personally dont' use drugs at all but i can recognize that this is a b.s. law.

How many cops looked at these issues back in the day and decided...this is b.s...i'm not going to arrest or cite this person for possession? The vast majority did what they were told and were part of something that ruined countless lives.

You can't expect people to have lived through decades of this and then have a positive view of police.

With that said....i do believe there are good police and bad police but don't expect me to sit around trying to figure out which one is which
Yep, I will bet you have heard stories. Try looking up the definition of a story. I wonder how many started with Once upon a time. As far as marijuana goes the current story it is harmless. You have no ideal how many times MJ was wind tested.

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Ah. Another cop hater raises his head.
Tell me Mr. Johnson, should we call you first before we enforce the laws that YOUR elected officials enact?
We have discretion and most of us use it, but the "everyone else does it" excuse didn't work for you in grade school either. If you don't like the laws, do something to change them. Or, you could just ***** about cops behind their back and on the internet.
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Take marijuana for example....how many people spent time in jail because someone higher up decided it was an evil to society. Now i personally dont' use drugs at all but i can recognize that this is a b.s. law.
28 years in active law enforcement and still going. I've yet to EVER see ANYONE taken to the "house" (jail) for a Blunt or two! Know what the F*** you're talking about before posting FUD.

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Again, two and a half decades in active law enforcement and nobody goes to jail for having some bud for personal use in their pockets. Never in California! Again, don't post "fake news" in a cop forum. It's insulting to us cops. Know what you're talking about first and foremost.
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28 years in active law enforcement and still going. I've yet to EVER see ANYONE taken to the "house" (jail) for a Blunt or two! Know what the F*** you're talking about before posting FUD.


Again, two and a half decades in active law enforcement and nobody goes to jail for having some bud for personal use in their pockets. Never in California! Again, don't post "fake news" in a cop forum. It's insulting to us cops. Know what you're talking about first and foremost.
I know of plenty of times a person went to jail when found with a small amount of marijuana. Of course when the story is told they always seem to forget to mention the outstanding arrest warrant or other charges that that they were arrested for at the time.
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I know of plenty of times a person went to jail when found with a small amount of marijuana. Of course when the story is told they always seem to forget to mention the outstanding arrest warrant or other charges that that they were arrested for at the time.
Yes, but even in that circumstance, the person would or should've been cited for the mj if he had id. The warrant would id him even if he had no id.
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Yes, but even in that circumstance, the person would or should've been cited for the mj if he had id. The warrant would id him even if he had no id.
WTF ?
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WTF ?
Exactly?
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