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Old 11-25-2008, 6:54 AM
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Default Saiga 7.62x39 vs. Saiga .308

I'd like to get some opinions on Saiga 7.62x39 vs. Saiga .308. Which one would you rather have, which one is better, more accurate? With a left side scope rail, how well would a scope work side mounted. Can it take a top mounted scope with a little modification? Which kind of scope would fit it and which would you recommend?
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My choice would be easy, the 7.62x39. I was lucky enough to have bought and kept preban mags back in the day. So All I have to do is make the Saiga 922r compliant and I'm good to go to use those mags. My opinion with 308, you are limited to 8 rd mags. You do get the full power of the 308, which is a long range advantage, that is if you are looking at targets +300 yards to go over the 7.62x39. As far as scopre rails, there are some decent ones out there, I just prefer the ones orig design for this set up. Either the PSO-1 4x or a Kobra Dot is good to go.
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Old 11-25-2008, 7:14 AM
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It depends on what you wanna do with it...but generally speaking, the .308 round is better for most applications. The only reason (I can see) to get a 7.62X39 is that the ammo is generally cheaper, and maybe the novelty of having an authentic Russian manufactured AK type rifle that shoots the original AK round...

I have the .308 and I love her...wouldn't trade/sell her for anything! I think you may be a little confused about the side-rail... it mounts on the rifle's side, but it has both a top mount and a side mount where you could mount optics. I have a cheap Leaper's scope on there - it works very well and holds its zero. If you don't like my scope setup, you could always get an authentic Russian scope made in Belarus.

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My opinion with 308, you are limited to 8 rd mags.
Negative. A company called "SureFire" makes 10 round mags for the .308, as well as 15, 20, and 25 rounders for the free states.
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Negative. A company called "SureFire" makes 10 round mags for the .308, as well as 15, 20, and 25 rounders for the free states.
Ok so 10rd mag, additional 2 rounds WooHoo
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I have a Siaga 308 black with the 16inch barrel. Love it! Got if with the POSP 3-9x42 Belorussian scope.
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http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/Mythbusters.aspx

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It depends on what you wanna do with it...but generally speaking, the .308 round is better for most applications. The only reason (I can see) to get a 7.62X39 is that the ammo is generally cheaper, and maybe the novelty of having an authentic Russian manufactured AK type rifle that shoots the original AK round...

I have the .308 and I love her...wouldn't trade/sell her for anything! I think you may be a little confused about the side-rail... it mounts on the rifle's side, but it has both a top mount and a side mount where you could mount optics. I have a cheap Leaper's scope on there - it works very well and holds its zero. If you don't like my scope setup, you could always get an authentic Russian scope made in Belarus.

I pick up the same Saiga in a few days! How well does yours group?
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I pick up the same Saiga in a few days! How well does yours group?
I consistently hit 6" steel plates out to 400 yards when it was last zeroed.

By the way, if anyone is wondering about that bipod in the pic above, don't get it...it's horrible.
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Saiga 7.62x39 since it is cheaper and you can use AK mags with a small mod. If you already have one of these then you should get a 308 caliber when the prices drop.
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You can even convert the factory Saiga .308 8 round magazines to 10 rounders pretty easily from what I hear also. But I am going for the Surefire 10 round magazines. The .308 Winchester hits home runs, not pop flies.
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Ok so 10rd mag, additional 2 rounds WooHoo
Same goes for the 7.62x39 so what, exactly, is your point?
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What model is your bipod, and where did you get it?

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It depends on what you wanna do with it...but generally speaking, the .308 round is better for most applications. The only reason (I can see) to get a 7.62X39 is that the ammo is generally cheaper, and maybe the novelty of having an authentic Russian manufactured AK type rifle that shoots the original AK round...

I have the .308 and I love her...wouldn't trade/sell her for anything! I think you may be a little confused about the side-rail... it mounts on the rifle's side, but it has both a top mount and a side mount where you could mount optics. I have a cheap Leaper's scope on there - it works very well and holds its zero. If you don't like my scope setup, you could always get an authentic Russian scope made in Belarus.

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looks like a UTG?

http://cgi.ebay.com/UTG-9-11-CLAMP-O...1%7C240%3A1318
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I have a Siaga 308 black with the 16inch barrel. Love it! Got if with the POSP 3-9x42 Belorussian scope.


that thing is frickin loud with the 16" barrel,its sweet
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^^ Yes that's it.
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I just bought a 7.62X39. I based my decision on ammo prices. Plus I just like that caliber. The fact that I have hi cap AK mags also came into play. Haven’t picked it up yet so I can’t really say how I like it.
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Same goes for the 7.62x39 so what, exactly, is your point?
What Norcalkid said, for those of us whom has the preban 30rd mags, it's a better choice to have the option of using them. In 308 to are limited to 10rd mags.
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I am speaking only in terms of the original firearm. The gun must be modified to accept AK mags.
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I am speaking only in terms of the original firearm. The gun must be modified to accept AK mags.
you can modify the mags instead of the gun, I have mags as well, but I am debating on keeping the .308 or the 7.62, cant afford both
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Sold my Saiga 308. It was a 21 inch model. The trigger in it just had a bit more travel and was heavier than on my 16 inch dimpled 7.62. The 308 round will always be more accurate than the 7.62 round but I think the trigger on the Saiga 308 makes this challenging IMHO.
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I am speaking only in terms of the original firearm. The gun must be modified to accept AK mags.
Maybe so, but this did affect my decision. And I see it as a major benefit to this caliber. But as always opinions very.
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Sold my Saiga 308. It was a 21 inch model. The trigger in it just had a bit more travel and was heavier than on my 16 inch dimpled 7.62. The 308 round will always be more accurate than the 7.62 round but I think the trigger on the Saiga 308 makes this challenging IMHO.
did you sell it here on calguns?
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Thanks for all your opinions. I went ahead and bought the Saiga 7.62x39, now I want to get the scope and mount for it also. I saw another thread somewhere else where someone has the exact same one that got very good groups at 100 yards with a cheap scope also. Also, does anyone here have the Saiga with the Tapco collapsible stock and pistol grip combo on theirs? I like it, but don't know if I'd need to modify the the Trigger alignment or not. I would also like to put on a radlock so can do this setup.

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you can modify the mags instead of the gun, I have mags as well
Be careful! even if you modify the mags you will not meet 922R compliency thus though possible is not lawful, this is Federal no State
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I am speaking only in terms of the original firearm. The gun must be modified to accept AK mags.
True, but that is only true for the 7.62x39 to take advantage of the preb an 30 rd mags, in the 308, you can only do it for the 10 rounders, which for me, I rather have my M1A with my 20 rd preban mags .. true we are not comparing apples to apples between the M1A and Saiga 308 other than caliber and substancial cost difference, but the Saiga is catching up in price to the M1A but the mag advantage on the M1A makes my decision


Now if the laws change and the 10 rd mag restriction is lifted for CA, than it would be a different story as we can buy the higher capacity mags for the Saiga 308, We can dream!
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Thanks for all your opinions. I went ahead and bought the Saiga 7.62x39, now I want to get the scope and mount for it also. I saw another thread somewhere else where someone has the exact same one that got very good groups at 100 yards with a cheap scope also. Also, does anyone here have the Saiga with the Tapco collapsible stock and pistol grip combo on theirs? I like it, but don't know if I'd need to modify the the Trigger alignment or not. I would also like to put on a radlock so can do this setup.

http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/i...roducts_id=339
If you start adding collapsable stocks and pistol grips, you will be defeating the uniqueness of the Saiga and start adding raddlocks... if you are going to go this route, then get a Rom AK,, it will be less costly as the conversion for the Saiga is $440 unless you absolutely want a Russian AK
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True, but that is only true for the 7.62x39 to take advantage of the preb an 30 rd mags, in the 308, you can only do it for the 10 rounders, which for me, I rather have my M1A with my 20 rd preban mags .. true we are not comparing apples to apples between the M1A and Saiga 308 other than caliber and substancial cost difference, but the Saiga is catching up in price to the M1A but the mag advantage on the M1A makes my decision


Now if the laws change and the 10 rd mag restriction is lifted for CA, than it would be a different story as we can buy the higher capacity mags for the Saiga 308, We can dream!
I saw a guy who converted his to accept M14 mags
It was a side note in a thread posted here and I believe he also had a .223 that took Ar mags. Pretty sweet. Of course he knew what he was doing and
I don't think anything is available commerciallly to do this.
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If you start adding collapsable stocks and pistol grips, you will be defeating the uniqueness of the Saiga and start adding raddlocks... if you are going to go this route, then get a Rom AK,, it will be less costly as the conversion for the Saiga is $440 unless you absolutely want a Russian AK
Well I definitely don't want to spend $440 on a conversion, I think there should be a much cheaper alternative. I'm just wondering if I get that Tapco stock and grip combo, will I have to somehow slide the trigger back towards the grip? I'll probably put the raddlock in there sooner or later, as the stock mag does not come out too easily anyways. So if i don't have to slide the trigger back, then I could have a collapsible stock and pistol grip to spice up the Saiga for only $69

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Well I definitely don't want to spend $440 on a conversion, I think there should be a much cheaper alternative. I'm just wondering if I get that Tapco stock and grip combo, will I have to somehow slide the trigger back towards the grip? I'll probably put the raddlock in there sooner or later, as the stock mag does not come out too easily anyways. So if i don't have to slide the trigger back, then I could have a collapsible stock and pistol grip to spice up the Saiga for only $69

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What you described, people do it to Saigas all the time, and these rifles sale for as little as $450 (before Bama), I've seen these for $700 now, you can try to get someone to send you one here with the pistol grip taken out, then you can add your radlock, then your pistol grip and 10 rd mag.. to each his own
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What you described, people do it to Saigas all the time, and these rifles sale for as little as $450 (before Bama), I've seen these for $700 now, you can try to get someone to send you one here with the pistol grip taken out, then you can add your radlock, then your pistol grip and 10 rd mag.. to each his own

Yea, I'm just trying to get those people to chime in to this thread. I"m trying to find out whether the stock and grip combo will need to alter the position of trigger. From the pictures of other Saigas, it seems some do and some don't. And it seems like not all Saigas have the same positioned trigger, some forward some back.
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Wild Squid,

The position of the trigger is dependent on how far you want to go with a conversion.
There are options for both....ACE comes to mind
Original Saiga Trigger Group
AK Trigger Group with External Reciever block

Once you get inside your Saiga you'll see they extended and curved the trigger which gives it an unnatural direction of pull. The conversion is not difficult, can be done with hand tools and restores your Russian AK to the form it should be in.

Your choice on what route to go. $440 is an exorbitant amount for conversion pieces if you do it yourself.

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Look up Veriforce tactical, they sell a really low mount scope mount for the Saiga/AK, i have one and its really cool because it doesnt make the scope sit high and ugly. I have the 308saiga and did the conversion, i love it, but the 7.62x39 is cool because you can convert to accept standard AK mags. Get both, I am!!!!
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It depends on what you wanna do with it...but generally speaking, the .308 round is better for most applications. The only reason (I can see) to get a 7.62X39 is that the ammo is generally cheaper, and maybe the novelty of having an authentic Russian manufactured AK type rifle that shoots the original AK round...

I have the .308 and I love her...wouldn't trade/sell her for anything! I think you may be a little confused about the side-rail... it mounts on the rifle's side, but it has both a top mount and a side mount where you could mount optics. I have a cheap Leaper's scope on there - it works very well and holds its zero. If you don't like my scope setup, you could always get an authentic Russian scope made in Belarus.

Your scope rail/mount looks like my UTG one, I think UTG makes the best accessories on the planet, on my Saiga 7.62 X 39, my M1A Socom,my Mosin Nagant 91/30, I have UTG rails and mounts on all of them, they are better made than most and I wouldn't trade them or my rifles for the anything...

What kind of bipod is that, thats what I am in the market for right now for my Saiga...nice rifle by the way,
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The 7.62x39 would be more feasible to convert and ammo is cheap and plentiful. The .308 costs more to feed and the recoil sucks with the plastic stock.
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I saw a guy who converted his to accept M14 mags It was a side note in a thread posted here and I believe he also had a .223 that took Ar mags. Pretty sweet. Of course he knew what he was doing and
I don't think anything is available commerciallly to do this.


Thats why i bought the Saiga 308, i thought the guy who did my conversion would be able to convert it to use M1A mags but he said it was very difficult to do and why if Saiga mags cost $35 for a 10rnder? I wanted it becus i have very old preban mags and thought it would be cool. Anyways, red jacket does the conversion for the Saiga 308 to accept AR10 mags, but it cost ALOT to do the conversion.
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The 7.62x39 would be more feasible to convert and ammo is cheap and plentiful. The .308 costs more to feed and the recoil sucks with the plastic stock.
Did you ever figure out where that piece that fell out of yours was supposed to go?

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Thats why i bought the Saiga 308, i thought the guy who did my conversion would be able to convert it to use M1A mags but he said it was very difficult to do and why if Saiga mags cost $35 for a 10rnder? I wanted it becus i have very old preban mags and thought it would be cool. Anyways, red jacket does the conversion for the Saiga 308 to accept AR10 mags, but it cost ALOT to do the conversion.
You might want to give Will a call and see if he'll even deal with a CA gun.
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16" .308....FTW!

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get both. period!!!! saiga FTW
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