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Basic Overview of the Legislative Process:
  • This is the first year of the two-year 2017/18 legislative session.
  • For a bill to become law, it must be passed by both legislative Houses: the 40-member Senate (27 Democrats, 13 Republicans) and the 80-member Assembly (54 Democrats, 25 Republicans, 1 vacancy).
  • In the House of the bill's origin, before it is eligible for a floor vote, gun-related bills are typically assigned to two Committees, where they can be amended, passed through, or failed.
  • Senate Committees: The 7-member Public Safety Committee "SPSC" (5 Democrats, 2 Republicans), and the 7-member Appropriations Committee "SAC" (5 Democrats, 2 Republicans).
  • Assembly Committees: The 7-member Public Safety Committee "APSC" (5 Democrats, 2 Republicans) and the 17-member Appropriations Committee "AAC" (12 Democrats, 5 Republicans).
  • If the committees pass the bill by 5/26, it goes to a House floor vote where it must be passed by 6/2.
  • The bill then goes to the other House, where that House's committees must pass the bill by 9/1, after which that House floor must pass the bill by 9/15.
  • If the second House amended the bill at all, then it must have a concurrence vote in the House of origin, also by 9/15.
  • Bills which neither pass nor fail in 2017 may resume in 2018, the second year of the 2017/18 legislative session. However, those "carryover" bills must be passed by their house of origin committees by 1/19 and their floor by 1/31, instead of the usual May/June deadlines.
  • Passed bills are sent to the governor, who has until 10/15 to issue a veto. If not vetoed, the bill becomes law as of the Governor's signing or 10/16 (whichever comes first), and takes effect on 1/1/2018 unless otherwise specified.
  • For a more thorough explanation of the legislative process, see this thread.

There were 22 gun-related bills this year.

9 passed, 5 failed, and 8 will carry over into the 2018 session.



The 2017 portion of the 2017/2018 legislative session is now over. Results below. See you guys in January

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9 Bills That Have Become Law
(Signed, or not vetoed, by the Governor before 10/16/2017)

Pro-2a:

(There will be none, all pro-2a bills are inactive.)


Anti-2a:

AB-7 (Open long gun carry in prohibited areas) Link to bill | Calguns discussion
  • Author(s): Gipson (D), Coauthor(s): Portantino (D), Wiener (D)
  • Summary: Makes it a crime (misdemeanor) to carry an unloaded long gun in a public place or public street in a prohibited (to shooting) area of an unincorporated area of a county. The exemptions listed in PC 26405 still apply, including "By a licensed hunter while engaged in hunting or while transporting that firearm when going to or returning from that hunting expedition."
  • Assembly Vote History: APSC (5-2), AAC (11-6), Assembly (44-29, 55%) Senate Vote History: SPSC (5-2), SAC (5-2), Senate (24-14, 60%)
  • Final Action: 10/13/2017 - Signed by Brown, takes effect 1/1/2018.

AB-103 (CA budget bill) Link to bill | Calguns discussion
  • Author(s): Assembly Budget Committee, Coauthor(s): n/a
  • Summary: Expands the list of "prohibited persons" to include people who simply have warrants for certain criminal charges. Also includes a budget extension for DOJ's AW registration, and would extend the deadline to register an AW to 7/1/2018.
  • Assembly Vote History: Assembly (52-26, 65%) Senate Vote History: Budget Committee (12-5), Senate (26-11, 65%)
  • Final Action: 6/27/2017 - Signed by Brown, takes effect immediately.

AB-424 (Possession of a firearm in a school zone) Link to bill | Calguns discussion
  • Author(s): McCarty (D), Santiago (D), Coauthor(s): Chiu (D), Gloria (D)
  • Summary: Deletes the authority of a school district superintendent, his or her designee, or equivalent school authority to provide written permission for a person to possess a firearm within a school zone. Exempts official school shooting sports.
  • Assembly Vote History: APSC (5-2), AAC (11-6), Assembly (44-27, 55%) Senate Vote History: SPSC (5-2), SAC (not involved), Senate (25-13, 63%)
  • Final Action: 10/14/2017 - Signed by Brown, takes effect 1/1/2018.

AB-1525 (Firearms warnings, store signage & packaging materials) Link to bill | Calguns discussion
  • Author(s): Baker (R), Coauthor(s): Burke (D), Levine (D)
  • Summary: Requires a slew of new safety warnings and information to be included with new firearms, and store signage. Originally, this bill would have also changed the FSC passing grade from 75% (23/30 correct) to 85% (26/30 correct), but that portion was later removed.
  • Assembly Vote History: APSC (7-0), AAC (12-5), Assembly (59-15, 74%) Senate Vote History: SPSC (5-1), SAC (5-2), Senate (27-12, 68%)
  • Final Action: 10/15/2017 - Signed by Brown, takes effect 1/1/2018.

AJR-24 (Sends an "official" objection letter to US Congress, regarding national CCW reciprocity) Link to bill | Calguns discussion
  • Author(s): Santiago (D), Coauthor(s): Aguiar-Curry (D), Berman (D), Bloom (D), Bonta (D), Calderon (D), Chau (D), Chiu (D), Chu (D), Friedman (D), Eduardo Garcia (D), Gipson (D), Gloria (D), Gonzalez Fletcher (D), Holden (D), Irwin (D), Jones-Sawyer (D), Kalra (D), Levine (D), Limón (D), Low (D), McCarty (D), Medina (D), Mullin (D), Muratsuchi (D), Nazarian (D), Quirk (D), Rendon (D), Reyes (D), Ridley-Thomas (D), Rodriguez (D), Rubio (D), Mark Stone (D), Thurmond (D), Ting (D), Weber (D), Wood (D)
  • Summary: Urges US Congress to not enact S. 446, H.R. 38, or any other similar “concealed carry reciprocity” legislation that would require all states to recognize concealed carry permits issued from other states. Basically, this bill would send an angry letter to US Congress, symbolically wasting everyone's time.
  • Assembly Vote History: APSC (5-2), AAC (not involved), Assembly (47-28, 58%) Senate Vote History: Senate (25-12, 62%)
  • Final Action: 9/15/2017 - Passed by Senate, now law. Joint Resolutions do not require Governor approval.

SB-536 (Gun violence restraining orders research) Link to bill | Calguns discussion
  • Author(s): Dickpan (D), Coauthor(s): Baker (R)
  • Summary: Requires DOJ to make information regarding GVRO's available to the FVRC, for policy research purposes.
  • Senate Vote History: SPSC (5-2), SAC (not involved), Senate (25-13, 63%) Assembly Vote History: APSC (5-2), AAC (10-4), Assembly (48-23, 60%)
  • Final Action: 10/14/2017 - Signed by Brown, takes effect 1/1/2018.


2a-neutral / Undetermined:

Emergency Bill: AB-693 (POST training exemptions to Prop 63) Link to bill | Calguns discussion
  • Author(s): Irwin (D), Coauthor(s): n/a
  • Summary: Exempts students in a POST program from FFL transfer requirements when borrowing a gun for the purposes of the program, and also from the large-capacity magazine ban and ammo background checks.
  • Assembly Vote History: APSC (7-0), AAC (16-0), Assembly (77-0, 96%) Senate Vote History: SPSC (7-0), SAC (not involved), Senate (39-0, 98%)
  • Final Action: 10/14/2017 - Signed by Brown, takes effect immediately.

AB-785 (Adds to list of 10-year prohibiting misdemeanors) Link to bill | Calguns discussion
  • Author(s): Jones-Sawyer (D), Coauthor(s): n/a
  • Summary: Adds "interference with the exercise of civil rights" and "false reporting of lost or stolen firearm" to the list of 10-year firearms-prohibition misdemeanors.
  • Assembly Vote History: APSC (7-0), AAC (14-0), Assembly (67-0, 84%) Senate Vote History: SPSC (7-0), SAC (7-0), Senate (40-0, 100%)
  • Final Action: 10/14/2017 - Signed by Brown, takes effect 1/1/2018.

SB-620 (Judicial discretion for firearm crime enhancements) Link to bill | Calguns discussion
  • Author(s): Bradford (D), Coauthor(s): n/a
  • Summary: Allows a court use judicial discretion when applying a sentence enhancement when a person uses or discharges a firearm when a person is convicted for committing a felony.
  • Senate Vote History: SPSC (4-2), SAC (not involved), Senate (22-13, 55%), Assembly Vote History: APSC (5-2), AAC (9-5), Assembly (42-33, 52%)
  • Final Action: 10/12/2017 - Signed by Brown, takes effect 1/1/2018.

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8 Inactive Bills
(Exceeded a Deadline, or Failed Vote w/ Reconsideration Granted)
These bills neither passed nor failed, so in 2018 they could continue where they left off.

Pro-2a:

AB-757 (Shall-Issue CCWs) Link to bill | Calguns discussion
  • Author(s): Melendez (R), Coauthor(s): n/a
  • Summary: Requires counties to issue CCW permits with a "self defense" good cause statement.
  • Assembly Vote History: APSC (2-5) Senate Vote History: N/A
  • Status: 5/26/2017 - Failed by APSC, with reconsideration granted. Deadline for committee passage lapsed on 5/26. Next deadline: Must pass Assembly Committees by 1/19/2018.

AB-1394 (Shall-Issue CCWs & deletion of prohibited places) Link to bill | Calguns discussion
  • Author(s): Allen (R), Coauthor(s): n/a
  • Summary: Another bill which would require counties to issue CCW permits. Also would allow a CCW holder to carry anywhere in the state, except places prohibited federally - no more local bans on CCW.
  • Assembly Vote History: N/A Senate Vote History: N/A
  • Status: 5/26/2017 - APSC hearing cancelled by the author, then never rescheduled. Deadline for committee passage lapsed on 5/26/2017. Next deadline: Must pass Assembly committees by 1/19/2018.

SB-299 (Expanded intrafamilial transfers) Link to bill | Calguns discussion
  • Author(s): Mendoza (D), Coauthor(s): n/a
  • Summary: Adds "siblings" and "grandchild related by consanguinity, adoption, or steprelation" to the list of qualified relationships for intra-familial transfers. Also exempts firearm loans to peace officers from certain crimes.
  • Senate Vote History: SPSC (5-1) Assembly Vote History: N/A
  • Status: 5/26/2017 - Held in SAC. Deadline for committee passage lapsed on 5/26/2017. Next deadline: Must pass Senate committees by 1/19/2018.

SB-710 (Legalizes silencers, allows their use while hunting) Link to bill | Calguns discussion
  • Author(s): Anderson (R), Coauthor(s): Berryhill (R) , Bigelow (R) , Fuller (R) , Gaines (R) , Mathis (R) , Nielsen (R) , Stone (R)
  • Summary: Deletes felony prohibition of possession of silencer. Allows use when used in lawful hunting.
  • Senate Vote History: N/A Assembly Vote History: N/A
  • Status: 5/26/2017 - SPSC hearing cancelled by the author. Deadline for committee passage lapsed on 5/26/2017. Next deadline: Must pass Senate committees by 1/19/2018.


Anti-2a:

AB-736 (Fines for FFL violations) Link to bill | Calguns discussion
  • Author(s): Gipson (D), Coauthor(s): n/a
  • Summary: Authorizes the Department of Justice or local authorities to impose a civil fine for a violation of certain firearms licensing requirements committed by a licensed firearms dealer.
  • Assembly Vote History: APSC (5-2), AAC (12-5), Assembly (49-29, 61%) Senate Vote History: SPSC (5-2)
  • Status: 8/31/2017 - Held in SAC. Deadline for committee passage lapsed on 8/31/2017. Next deadline: Must pass Senate committees by 8/31/2018.


2a-neutral / Undetermined:

AB-721 (Allow DA offices to have SBRs and SBSs) Link to bill | Calguns discussion
  • Author(s): Bigelow (R), Coauthor(s): n/a
  • Summary: Adds district attorney’s offices and peace officer members of these offices to the specified entities and persons authorized to purchase and possess short-barreled rifles and short-barreled shotguns.
  • Assembly Vote History: APSC (5-1), AAC (not involved), Assembly (66-4, 83%) Senate Vote History: N/A
  • Status: 8/31/2017 - SAC hearing canceled by the author. Deadline for committee passage lapsed on 8/31/2017. Next deadline: Must pass Senate committees by 8/31/2018.

Emergency Bill: AB-1192 (Retired reserve LE Prop 63 exemptions) Link to bill | Calguns discussion
  • Author(s): Lackey (R), Coauthor(s): n/a
  • Summary: Adds retired reserve officers to the list of Prop 63 exemptions. Bill now has an "urgency clause" (emergency legislation).
  • Assembly Vote History: APSC (7-0), AAC (not involved), Assembly (70-1, 88%) Senate Vote History: N/A
  • Status: 8/31/2017 - SPSC hearing canceled by the author. Deadline for committee passage lapsed on 8/31/2017. Next deadline: Must pass Senate committees by 8/31/2018.

SB-22 (Agency firearm accounting) Link to bill | Calguns discussion
  • Author(s): Hill (D), Coauthor(s): n/a
  • Summary: Requires law enforcement agencies to adopt a written procedure to account for firearms that are owned, acquired, maintained, sold, loaned, lost, stolen, or in any way possessed by that agency or by an employee of that agency if used or carried for purposes of carrying out the official duties of his or her employment.
  • Senate Vote History: SPSC (7-0) Assembly Vote History: N/A
  • Status: 5/26/2017 - Held in SAC. Deadline for committee passage lapsed on 5/26/2017. Next deadline: Must pass Senate committees by 1/19/2018.



5 Dead Bills
(Gutted, Failed Vote With No Reconsideration, or Vetoed by Governor)
These bills are effectively no longer of any Second Amendment concern.

Pro-2a:

(None, all may be reconsidered in 2018.)


Anti-2a:

SB-464 (FFL storage & security) Link to bill | Calguns discussion
  • Author(s): Wiener (D), Coauthor(s): McCarty (D)
  • Summary: Expands gun storage and security requirements for FFLs.
  • Senate Vote History: SPSC (5-2), SAC (5-2), Senate (23-14, 57%) Assembly Vote History: APSC (4-2), AAC (12-4), Assembly (46-27, 58%)
  • Outcome: 10/13/2017 - Vetoed by Brown.

SB-497 (1-in-30 rule for all guns) Link to bill | Calguns discussion
  • Author(s): Portantino (D), Coauthor(s): Gipson (D)
  • Summary: Expands the 1-in-30 law to long guns; PPT, hunting license holders and charity events still exempt.
  • Senate Vote History: SPSC (5-2), SAC (5-2), Senate (25-13, 63%), Assembly Vote History: APSC (4-2)
  • Outcome: 9/1/2017 - Gutted by AAC, no longer about firearm purchase limitations (something about LE gun storage now).


2a-neutral / Undetermined:

AB-1453 (Unlawful discharge of firearms) Link to bill | Calguns discussion
  • Author(s): Garcia (D), Coauthor(s): n/a
  • Summary: Was probably something about discharging a firearm on New Years Eve.
  • Assembly Vote History: N/A Senate Vote History: N/A
  • Outcome: 3/28/2017 - Gutted by author, no longer about guns. It's something about school buses now, which was ultimately passed and signed by the Governor on 8/7.

AB-1471 (Agency silencer exemptions) Link to bill | Calguns discussion
  • Author(s): Kiley (R), Coauthor(s): Berryhill (R)
  • Summary: Suppressor exemptions for DFG, CHP, and DOC.
  • Assembly Vote History: N/A Senate Vote History: N/A
  • Outcome: 5/4/2017 - Gutted by APSC to only exempt silencer sales outside of CA, then held. Deadline for committee passage lapsed on 5/26.

SB-785 (Consumer protection laws for firearms and ammunition transactions) Link to bill | Calguns discussion
  • Author(s): Wiener (D), Coauthor(s): Gonzalez Fletcher (D), Chiu (D)
  • Summary: Was something about applying consumer protection rules to transactions involving firearms and ammunition.
  • Senate Vote History: N/A, Assembly Vote History: N/A
  • Outcome: 5/4/2017 - Gutted by author, no longer about guns. Now it's something about immigration status being used as evidence in wrongful death suits.

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Awesome. Thanks for making it easy for those of us who don't have the time to wade through the state's site to keep track of all of the garbage.
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This looks like it is the discussion thread for AB424.

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adds "interference with the exercise of civil rights" to the list of 10-year firearms-prohibition misdemeanors.
Wtf? So, if you block a protest you lose your rights? I see a lot of routes for abuse.
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Wtf? So, if you block a protest you lose your rights? I see a lot of routes for abuse.
the exercise of 2A rights is prohibited of course since it's not a "right" right in this state.
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SB 497 passed the Senate - sent to the Assembly as of 5/30/2017.
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Excellent recap.
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AB 1525 - Firearms warnings. Link to bill | Calguns discussion
Summary: Requires a slew of new safety warnings and information to be included with new firearms, and store signage.
Anyone know whether similar warnings will be required on cannabis products? Apart from the health warnings there should probably be a warning that "notwithstanding any state or local laws, consumption or use of this product is a violation of federal law and may result in your loss of liberty and 2nd Amendment rights".
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Wtf? So, if you block a protest you lose your rights? I see a lot of routes for abuse.
It is fairly easy to see what this is about. It makes it less likely that BLM will be confronted by the MAGA crowd. It's a from of bullying. There is no doubt we are at war with these MFers.
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Interesting to note, so far only a single anti-2a bill (AB 1525 - Firearms warnings) has veto-overriding two-thirds support.

The Senate, in particular, appears to be supporting anti-2a legislation by a percentage of exactly 62.5%, across the board, which would not be enough for a veto override.

It probably doesn't matter much anyways - there hasn't been a veto override attempt in almost 40 years, despite many hundreds (perhaps thousands) of vetoed bills which had unanimous legislative support. It's almost unprecedented, even with legislative supermajorities. But still worth mentioning.
Since this is the "Activism and Discussion" section, and not the "Legal Updates" section, I'll say it: in my opinion, it is politicians grandstanding to constituents, recognizing what they are attempting would be immediately slammed in the courts. Or they are altering their votes to be able to claim "I voted for (or against) ______" during their political fundraising campaigns, without actually altering the true probability of the bill passing.

Well, yes.... they did indeed vote Yea or Nay... but they also collaborated with the opposition to balance it that way. (Via trading votes, "tactical abstaining", etc.) They didn't vote their conscience, or do their duty as representatives to honor their constituents' wishes. They followed party matching orders to make themselves look good. This is what I find great fault with our political system: career politicians are inclined not to follow pragmatism by doing their job of representing, but instead subverting the democratic process for appearance's sake and (quite literally) profit and personal gain.

Just look at what happened to Rudy Salas, the CA senator who upheld his campaign promise to vote against raising gas taxes. He was a straight shooter and acted honestly, and instead he is punished by the Democratic party and stripped of his chairmanships. Other like Nicole Parra even had their office moved across the street as a form of "public shaming".

http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-...145044744.html
http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-...143452799.html

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Democrats surrounded the holdouts, convincing them to vote for the bill without Salas, as Brown’s top aide, Nancy McFadden, arrived on the floor. Meanwhile, Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez Fletcher, D-San Diego, stormed over to Salas’ desk, jabbed a finger in his face and berated him for voting no while his colleagues face tougher re-election fights than his. “They have way worse districts than you,” she yelled.

Salas’ dissent caught many lawmakers off-guard. Following a celebratory press conference with Brown, Gonzalez Fletcher was still upset that things didn’t “go according to plan.” Salas was not available on Friday to discuss his vote. In a statement, he said, “The families I represent drive too far to jobs that pay too little.”

Discussing his vote publicly for the first time, Salas said in an interview that he opposed SB 1 because of a campaign promise that he would not support any new taxes unless they went before voters for approval. “Mr. Speaker respected my commitment to my families and I told him I’d respect his decision,” said Salas, who shared a hug with Rendon on the Assembly floor Monday. “I can deal with someone being upset. I'm more worried about what the families in my district will have to endure now.”
I think what you are noticing regarding voting ratios and veto overrides is another extension of this "faithless representative" syndrome.

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Since this is the "Activism and Discussion" section, and not the "Legal Updates" section, I'll say it: in my opinion, it is politicians grandstanding to constituents, recognizing what they are attempting would be immediately slammed in the courts. Or they are altering their votes to be able to claim "I voted for (or against) ______" during their political fundraising campaigns, without actually altering the true probability of the bill passing.

Well, yes.... they did indeed vote Yea or Nay... but they also collaborated with the opposition to balance it that way. (Via trading votes, "tactical abstaining", etc.) They didn't vote their conscience, or do their duty as representatives to honor their constituents' wishes. They followed party matching orders to make themselves look good. This is what I find great fault with our political system: career politicians are inclined not to follow pragmatism by doing their job of representing, but instead subverting the democratic process for appearance's sake and (quite literally) profit and personal gain.

Just look at what happened to Rudy Salas, the CA senator who upheld his campaign promise to vote against raising gas taxes. He was a straight shooter and acted honestly, and instead he is punished by the Democratic party and stripped of his chairmanships. Other like Nicole Parra even had their office moved across the street as a form of "public shaming".
http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-...145044744.html

I think what you are noticing regarding voting ratios and veto overrides is another extension of this "faithless representative" syndrome.
Well said, and I agree. Unfortunately I think if they were voting their conscience rather than strategizing for their political careers, the vote counts wouldn't change by much, or at least not in our favor. A lot of these idiots truly believe that a disarmed society is a better society.

Also, I have no problem discussing the overall politics of the bills as a whole in this thread, I only want to keep specific discussion of particular bills out of this thread since they each already have their own assigned threads.

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The Legislature is in recess. We're immune from most further mischief until the next session begins, late December 2017.

There is no value at all complaining or analyzing or reading tea leaves to decide what these bills really mean or actually do; any bill with a chance to pass will be bad for gun owners.

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I just found this, though: http://www.ca-ilg.org/document/concept-consent-calendar



Interesting. So basically it gets lumped in with all the other "consent calendar" items, then they all get voted on at the same time.
Right. We see this at city council and county supervisor meetings quite often, especially with things that were passed earlier but have some kind of 'final vote later' requirement.
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"Studies" are the camel's nose in the tent. The "studies" will lead to more restrictive legislation.
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"Studies" are the camel's nose in the tent. The "studies" will lead to more restrictive legislation.
Baker (R), the co-author, is a parasite to the CA republican party. She votes (D) on almost every bill. She has regularly voted for, written, or cosponsored our worst anti-2a bills, including SB1235 (ammo background checks), SB707 (CCW campus ban), AB1674 (1-in-30 for all gun sales) and AB1135 (bullet-button AW ban). She needs to be voted out and replaced with an actual Republican.

She's Ranked D+ by Gun Owners of CA, and 7% by the NRA, the same rating as Xavier Becerra and Kamala Harris.

For this 2017 session, she has not only coauthored this bill (SB536) with Dickpan, but she also authored AB1525 (with 2 democrat coauthors) to make the FSC harder to obtain, and require a slew of new gun store warnings signage and safety labels on guns.

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Baker (R), the co-author, is a parasite to the CA republican party. She votes (D) on almost every bill. She has regularly voted for, written, or cosponsored our worst anti-2a bills, including SB1235 (ammo background checks), SB707 (CCW campus ban), AB1674 (1-in-30 for all gun sales) and AB1135 (bullet-button AW ban). She needs to be voted out and replaced with an actual Republican.

She's Ranked D+ by Gun Owners of CA, and 7% by the NRA, the same rating as Xavier Becerra and Kamala Harris.

For this 2017 session, she has not only coauthored this bill (SB536) with Dickpan, but she also authored AB1525 (with 2 democrat coauthors) to make the FSC harder to obtain, and require a slew of new gun store warnings signage and safety labels on guns.
Don't tell me...is Baker from Contra Costa County?
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Don't tell me...is Baker from Contra Costa County?
Yep. She needs to get voted out. There are Democrat assembly members with better conservative voting records than her.

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Would the open carry bill on public land male it illegal to go shooting on public land?

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Would the open carry bill on public land male it illegal to go shooting on public land?

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No, it only bans open carry on public land that is already prohibited to shoot on. Licensed hunters are still exempt, while walking to or from hunting areas.

That's why this bill is so stupid. It tries to solve a problem that doesn't even exist. In reality, this bill hardly affects anyone, but it still tramples on our rights which is why we need to oppose it.
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No, it only bans open carry on public land that is already prohibited to shoot on. Licensed hunters are still exempt, while walking to or from hunting areas.

That's why this bill is so stupid. It tries to solve a problem that doesn't even exist. In reality, this bill hardly affects anyone, but it still tramples on our rights which is why we need to oppose it.
Thank you for clarifying that. That's why I was so confused

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Yep. She needs to get voted out. There are Democrat assembly members with better conservative voting records than her.
As a resident of Baker's District, I confess that I voted for her to avoid voting for a Democrat....who was automatically more liberal. I have no hope that any future opponent of Baker's will be more conservative than she. But maybe I'll fire off a letter or email to her office, either of which will be quickly trashed. Then I'll get a form letter from her office assuring me that she is fighting for the safety and rights of all our citizens, blah blah blah.

Americans are sick and tired of politicians who talk in circles, if not outright lying.
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SB-536 (Gun violence restraining orders research): Passed, headed to Governor's desk.

AB-785 (Adds to list of 10-year prohibiting misdemeanors): Passed by Senate (40-0, 100%). Headed back to Assembly for a concurrence vote.
As I recall your excellent synopsis of all these moving parts, AB-785 says that interfering with someone's civil rights, which apparently was already a misdemeanor, would, under this bill, result in a ten year suspension of: the right to own a firearm? the right to purchase a firearm? the right to carry a firearm?

Whatever it is, ten years is an excessive penalty by far. That said, the whole bill is nonsense. The State legislature is interfering with our civil rights. I suggest they be removed from public office for ten years.
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As I recall your excellent synopsis of all these moving parts, AB-785 says that interfering with someone's civil rights, which apparently was already a misdemeanor, would, under this bill, result in a ten year suspension of: the right to own a firearm? the right to purchase a firearm? the right to carry a firearm?

Whatever it is, ten years is an excessive penalty by far. That said, the whole bill is nonsense. The State legislature is interfering with our civil rights. I suggest they be removed from public office for ten years.
Ya, as an example, let's say you get arrested at a rally because you grabbed someone's cardboard sign and ripped it in half. That was always a misdemeanor, but now it would also result in a loss of all your gun rights (own, buy, carry, borrow, etc) for 10 years.
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Ya, as an example, let's say you get arrested at a rally because you grabbed someone's cardboard sign and ripped it in half. That was always a misdemeanor, but now it would also result in a loss of all your gun rights (own, buy, carry, borrow, etc) for 10 years.
Ok...that is incredibly excessive punishment. In addition, one act has nothing to do with the other..... 2nd Amendment rights....I see no connection whatever. Maybe it is an Antifa protection measure.

I wonder: if someone defaces my favorite Civil War memorial, is he interfering with my civil rights? Don't answer....that's another separate question but it felt good to say it.
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You'll see more laws passed to protect their dogs.
They are doing everything they can to disarm you, and they will.
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They are doing everything they can to disarm you, and they will.
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AJR-24 (Legislative objection to national concealed carry reciprocity): Now passed by the legislature, gets enacted automatically without going through Governor's office. Assemblywoman Baker was of course the sole Republican to vote in favor of it

There are 7 bills on the Governor's desk, awaiting signature or veto. I'll keep this thread updated until 10/16, while we wait to see what he does.

The 2017 Legislative session of Congress is now adjourned.

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Still no word from Brown on any of these.

But you'll be happy to know that he has signed AB-1540, which makes the Augustynolophus Morrisi our official state dinosaur



California's dinosaur looks like a vegetarian doofus with a big phallus on top of its head. Makes a lot of sense, actually.

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Still no word from Brown on any of these.

But you'll be happy to know that he has signed AB-1540, which makes the Augustynolophus Morrisi our official state dinosaur



California's dinosaur looks like a vegetarian doofus with a big phallus on top of its head. Makes a lot of sense, actually.
Where are the floppy ears? Maybe didn't get preserved in the fossile record.

BTW Gov browns office (916) 445 2841 #1 for English #4 for Human.
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Not to worry....if the bill is anti-gun, Moonbeam will sign it. Have no doubt.
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Baker (R), the co-author, is a parasite to the CA republican party. She votes (D) on almost every bill. She has regularly voted for, written, or cosponsored our worst anti-2a bills, including SB1235 (ammo background checks), SB707 (CCW campus ban), AB1674 (1-in-30 for all gun sales) and AB1135 (bullet-button AW ban). She needs to be voted out and replaced with an actual Republican.

She's Ranked D+ by Gun Owners of CA, and 7% by the NRA, the same rating as Xavier Becerra and Kamala Harris.

For this 2017 session, she has not only coauthored this bill (SB536) with Dickpan, but she also authored AB1525 (with 2 democrat coauthors) to make the FSC harder to obtain, and require a slew of new gun store warnings signage and safety labels on guns.
She went to school at both Berkeley and Chicago. How the hell does this lady call herself a Republican? Seems like her constituents aren't paying attention to what she is up too.
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Still time to contact Brown about these bills, he hasn't acted on them yet. Please call, email, and/or fax to kindly ask him to veto:

AB-424, because if a school district wants to allow lawful carry of firearms, they should be allowed to.
AB-1525, because we already have a massive amount of firearm warning labels and signage in our gun stores, and it's unreasonable to require stores and manufacturers to include more.
SB-536, because gun violence restraining order research is a waste of taxpayer money and does not improve public safety.

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Mailing address, fax, and an email form can be found here: https://govapps.gov.ca.gov/gov39mail/

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Brown signed AB-7 (Open long gun carry in prohibited areas), and vetoed SB-464 (FFL storage & security) today.

5 bills are left on the table - Brown has until Sunday night to veto them.
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Brown signed 4 bills yesterday, and vetoed nothing.

AB-424 (Possession of a firearm in a school zone)

SB-536 (Gun violence restraining orders research)

AB-693 (POST training exemptions to Prop 63)

AB-785 (Adds to list of 10-year prohibiting misdemeanors)



At this point, only 1 bill remains, AB-1525 (Firearms warnings, store signage & packaging materials). If Brown doesn't veto it today, it will become law by default.
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AB-1525 (Firearms warnings, store signage & packaging materials) signed today. Thus concludes the 2017 portion of the 2017/2018 legislative session.

Starting January 3rd, the 8 "inactive" bills (see post #3) which fizzled out in the Legislature earlier in the year, may be reconsidered in the 2018 portion of the 2017/2018 session, along with whatever new goodies our legislators will have dreamed up during their holidays. These "carryover" bills have different deadlines than usual and must be passed by their house of origin committees by 1/19 and their floor by 1/31, whereas any new legislation introduced next year has the usual May/June deadlines to pass their houses of origin.

See you all next year. Thanks to all those who made the appropriate phone calls and letters.

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