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Old 11-03-2008, 12:03 AM
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Default How many long guns can I buy in a single DROS?

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Used the forum search feature, but I keep getting irrelevant results...

Anyway, the question: How many long guns can I buy in a single DROS?

My situation: I DROS'd a rifle a couple of days ago. It suddenly hit me the next day to buy another rifle. Do I need to DROS this one too, or will it go on the DROS I did on the other rifle aka no need to DROS again since the DROS is still active?

And how long is the DROS active? 30 days? If so, can I buy more long guns in those 30 days and not have to DROS them as well? Or do firearms have to be DROS'd on the *same day and moment* for them to be applicable under one DROS? I hope not, but I'm thinking when a dealer DROS's, they also list the firearms under that DROS, and once its sent, it's done...
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1 per dros
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:43 AM
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Really? Strange, I thought that was only for handguns, and I remember the guy I was dealing with saying if I buy more guns now, I could save money from the DROS. Maybe I heard wrong...?
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Really? Strange, I thought that was only for handguns, and I remember the guy I was dealing with saying if I buy more guns now, I could save money from the DROS. Maybe I heard wrong...?
He's wrong...

As far as I know the biggest number that can be put in the computer is 99 for a long gun DROS. It's possible you could do more, though.
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Hm, nah, he's a pretty knowledgeable guy, I'm sure I'm on the wrong side and I heard him wrong. I was groggy that day too, so that's probably why.

So what if I buy 3 rifles at once at the same time from the same dealer--they all go under one DROS of $25?

Or is it going to be $25 on each of them?

Sorry if this sounds newbish but like I said, the search feature didn't turn up anything I wanted and I've just started owning guns.
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So what if I buy 3 rifles at once at the same time from the same dealer--they all go under one DROS of $25?
Yes, the three rifles go under a single $25 DROS transaction.

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I see. Guess I'll have to suck it up and buy it on a separate DROS. Thanks a lot for the info guys. Pleasantly surprising to get answers around this time.
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Hm, nah, he's a pretty knowledgeable guy, I'm sure I'm on the wrong side and I heard him wrong. I was groggy that day too, so that's probably why.

So what if I buy 3 rifles at once at the same time from the same dealer--they all go under one DROS of $25?

Or is it going to be $25 on each of them?

Sorry if this sounds newbish but like I said, the search feature didn't turn up anything I wanted and I've just started owning guns.
I mean csmintel is wrong.

You can DROS (effectively) an infinite # of rifles on the same DROS.

If your FFL didn't leave extra lines open for more rifles on your DROS he can't add them later.

It's also a gray area as to whether they can be added later at all.
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As many rifles as you want, on 1 dros. I have done 7 at one time.
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1 per dros
Wrong!

You can DROS as many rifles as your wallet allows.
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My situation: I DROS'd a rifle a couple of days ago. It suddenly hit me the next day to buy another rifle. Do I need to DROS this one too, or will it go on the DROS I did on the other rifle aka no need to DROS again since the DROS is still active?
You will have to put the second rifle on a seperate DROS. Once you leave the shop, it becomes a seperate transaction and seperate DROS fee. That's per the DOJ.

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And how long is the DROS active? 30 days? If so, can I buy more long guns in those 30 days and not have to DROS them as well? Or do firearms have to be DROS'd on the *same day and moment* for them to be applicable under one DROS? I hope not, but I'm thinking when a dealer DROS's, they also list the firearms under that DROS, and once its sent, it's done...
Although the DROS is ogod for 30 days, it is not a open-ended license to rifle shop. I was told at my last DOJ audit that I was able to add a rifle to an existing DROS if the customer came back in the same day. Next day, next week...seperate transactions. Also, repeated alterations to the DROS form (changing numbers with every long gun DROSed) would get me closer scrutiny by the DOJ. Do you think an FFL wants that?

And to be precise, NOTHING is sent when you do a long gun DROS except your personal information. No specific gun data (make, model, serial #) is sent to Sacramento when it's submitted.
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Old 11-03-2008, 10:53 AM
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The few times I have purchased rifles 3-4 at a time, they all went on one DROS.
Lets say you buy 4 stripped OLL's. That's one DROS fee, plus whatevr your FFL charges for the transaction + additional firearms at the same time.
The soon to be outdated 4473 allows 3 entries, then for 4-6 rifles you have to fill out another form. I haven't used the new 4473, but I saw one and they are yellow again, don't know how many entries per form though.
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As many as you like. There are 3 lines but if you read in the box it tells you to add the rest to an extra sheet of paper and attach it to the 4473. Only one is DROSed though, the rest are added to the 4473. That is the old 4473, I don't know if it has changed on the new one.
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1 per dros

UTTERLY WRONG.


DROS is $19 for one or more rifles or shotguns, processed on the same form / at the same time. No limit.


ETA - http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/chapter1.pdf
and the relevent PC sections are referenced in that document

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You can buy more than one long gun on the same Dros. There was a time that i bought the M1A rifle and walk out with three long guns on the same Dros. Like the M1A, 10/22, and OLL lowers.
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I see. Well that's too bad (for me). Guess I'll buy it some other time.

Thanks a lot for the info guys.
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They have pretty much covered it. What I have had a dealer do is fill up the 4473 boxes, then we filled out additional 4473s with the information on additional rifles, and stuck them all together. It was one DROS fee, 3 forms.

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Pretty much as many as you like, at the original purchase. Once the 4473 has been filled out, and you leave the store, a new DROS is required.
This was from the DOJ, so believe at your own comfort level. I have actually had an additional long gun added on pick-up day, which would be wrong according to this:

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This is in response to your recent correspondence to the Bureau of Firearms, regarding Dealer Record of Sale (DROS) transactions for long gun sales. It is permissible to change the number of long guns on a DROS at the actual time of initiating the purchase. If already submitted, you can a fax a DROS Cancellation or Correction Form to the Bureau of Firearms Denial Review Unit at (916) 227 - 3744 to reflect the correct quantity of long guns. This applies only to the initial time of purchase, i.e., when the 4473 is filled out. Once the customer leaves the store after initiating a purchase, any subsequent sale of a long gun would be considered a separate DROS transaction.

I hope this information is helpful to you. If you have any further questions or need further assistance, please contact the Bureau of Firearms at (916) 263-4887, or via e-mail.


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I just bought three receivers, one from the Gun Shop and 2 from Midway. I waited till the Midway receiver's were delivered to the Gun Shop and then DROSED them all at the same time.
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My FFL just charges a flat fee so I always add one (or two) extra long guns onto the DROS in case something good materializes during the wait.
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As I found out when picking up a few "OLL orphans of the storm"
at the exact time you begin to fill out the final paperwork 10 minutes
prior to leaving the store you can buy anything in the store you want .
You have NO waiting period as you are at that moment 'legal to purchase'.
When you get home explain to the house fox that the money you were
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