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Old 11-01-2008, 8:30 PM
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i just bought a savage 10fp in .308. this is my second rifle after my ar build and my first bolt action rifle. i'm planning on mostly just shooting paper at ~200 yards, and i need to get a scope and rings, what do you guys recommend on a budget? i'd like to keep it around $200 if possible, but if that's not doable, let me know what you think, thanks!
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Bushnell 3200, Burris Fullfield, Nikon Buckmaster. All are respectable with a lifetime warranty.
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Yeah I'm going to second aifabweld's suggestions as well, the Bushnell 3200 mildot 10x40 is a good model, lots of people have it and are very satisfied, Burris and Nikon make great products as well.

for rings on a budget, look at the Burris Xtreme tactical rings. I have a set and they are nice and get the job done. They should cost you about $50. SWFA has them as well as Optics Planet.

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+1 on the Bushnell Elite 3200 series. I have one on my Tikka T3 lite .308
Also give a look into BSA Riflescopes. Believe it or not they work excellent. 500 rounds though my buddy's Remy 700 and still holding. Never had to be rezeroed

Oh and they are inexpensive too.
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He said around $200. +1 on the Bushnell Elite 3200. Very underrated scopes.

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Leapers Accushot 3-12x44 is an option too. I have one on my AR-10 that I regularly shoot at 500+ yards. I'm at about 700 rounds through the rifle now, and have never had a shift in zero. Resolution is decent, probably comprable with Bushnell 3200 series or low end Leupold.

I have the Bushnell 3200 10x40 mil dot mounted on my AR-15 currently. It's also a great scope for the money. on the plus side, it's extremely rugged, and the adjustments are accurate and repeatable. It's fairly compact and lightweight, and the small objective allows for mounting very low. The only negative I have found with the scope is that any light that enters from the eyepiece side of the scope reflects off the backside of the reticle, making it hard to distinguish from the background and target.
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Leapers Accushot 3-12x44 is an option too. I have one on my AR-10 that I regularly shoot at 500+ yards. I'm at about 700 rounds through the rifle now, and have never had a shift in zero. Resolution is decent, probably comprable with Bushnell 3200 series or low end Leupold.
Sigh. You did not just compare Leapers junk to Bausch & Lomb optics or a Leupold. The Leapers is an airgun rated scope. You got lucky. I'd buy a Mueller before I'd buy a Leapers. No offense.
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another vote for the 3200 10X, i got mine off ebay for $125 using the live.com 30% off deal.
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I have a Nikon Buckmaster 4.5-14x40 mildot on my 700 and the glass is as good as that on my $900 Leupold. The Nikon was about $250.
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Sigh. You did not just compare Leapers junk to Bausch & Lomb optics or a Leupold. The Leapers is an airgun rated scope. You got lucky. I'd buy a Mueller before I'd buy a Leapers. No offense.
You must not know allot about scopes an airgun rated scope mean it can handle allot of vibration, a spring powered airgun will release far greater vibration pulses then even a 50 cal.He did not get lucky I have one mounted on my 30-06 with over 1000 rounds still holds 0 I have another on my 20" AR and with my hand loads will group 1" at 300 meters. I dial in and out of ranges it has pasted the box test and has never lost 0.

It's always amazing for me to see how misinformed people are.
Leapers Accushot series are great scopes.
I would also recommend the TASCO super sniper it has a Navy contract on it so don't let the Tasco portion fool you it's a whole different animal, but on a budget go with the Leapers.

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You must not know allot about scopes an airgun rated scope mean it can handle allot of vibration, a spring powered airgun will release far greater vibration pulses then even a 50 cal.He did not get lucky I have one mounted on my 30-06 with over 1000 rounds still holds 0 I have another on my 20" AR and with my hand loads will group 1" at 300 meters. I dial in and out of ranges it has pasted the box test and has never lost 0.
You are also the guy who sells Leapers scopes, aren't you? Leapers is what it is. Cheap chinese junk. Many moons ago when I was poor and in college I had one of those Chinese scopes installed on an Enfield. Didn't survive sight in. No person is in his right mind is going to recommend Leapers as a good optic. Find me one gunsmith or expert with a reputation who will recommend Leapers. I wasn't going to respond since you seem to be the resident village idiot, but if you are spreading around false information, I feel that people should counter that.
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Sigh. You did not just compare Leapers junk to Bausch & Lomb optics or a Leupold. The Leapers is an airgun rated scope. You got lucky. I'd buy a Mueller before I'd buy a Leapers. No offense.
WOW! I would never consider putting a Leapers on any of my guns but, specially NOT an airgun! I have optics onseveral guns airguns and two 50BMG rifles. Both, spring piston airguns and large caliber rifles with efficient muzzle breaks are extremely hard on optics. INHO, any airgun rated scope is built to withstand more shock than a regular scope.

Now, to share something with the OP. For many generations, it has been a commonly accepted fact that they best way to go about building a gun with optics is to: Buy the cheapest rifle that is capable of shooting as percise and as accurate (two different things) as you want it and then, put as much money as you can into good optics. Really, I think you are going about your build the wrong way. It may work for you (I'm cheap and I've done the same thing with good results) but, you will not get the maxium performance from your rifle and you may end up buying a second scope. I would highly recomend staying FAR AWAY from the low end optics like NC Star, Leapers, etc. and instead, at least going with a Bushnell Elite, or even a Simmons. I've had good luck with the few Simmons Scopes I own but, they are mounted on rimfires.
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WOW! I would never consider putting a Leapers on any of my guns but, specially NOT an airgun! I have optics onseveral guns airguns and two 50BMG rifles. Both, spring piston airguns and large caliber rifles with efficient muzzle breaks are extremely hard on optics. INHO, any airgun rated scope is built to withstand more shock than a regular scope.
I will admit I did not consider spring piston airguns. I was going off of a review I read on an airsoft/airgun webpage.
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where are you guys finding the bushnell elite 3200 with mil dot for sub 200 or even close to it. I've been looking and scott @ liberty is well priced at $319 shipped. Then you have to buy rings. I would love to source one out that cheap. I'd also look into the vortex line of scopes. Even american rifleman threw that on a .30-06 stevens 200 and said it was a really nice scope for the money ($129) I've heard nothing bad and warranty seems to be really good for all the vortex stuff. You may not get all the sniper goodies with it, but for what it is, I'd shoot for a vortex.
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where are you guys finding the bushnell elite 3200 with mil dot for sub 200 or even close to it.
Ultout.com used to sell new (not refurbs) for $190. The 6500 series was $800+ elsewhere, but they had it for less than $650. I picked up a few scopes from them but the site seems to be down now.
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Ultout.com used to sell new (not refurbs) for $190. The 6500 series was $800+ elsewhere, but they had it for less than $650. I picked up a few scopes from them but the site seems to be down now.
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where are you guys finding the bushnell elite 3200 with mil dot for sub 200 or even close to it. I've been looking and scott @ liberty is well priced at $319 shipped. Then you have to buy rings. I would love to source one out that cheap. I'd also look into the vortex line of scopes. Even american rifleman threw that on a .30-06 stevens 200 and said it was a really nice scope for the money ($129) I've heard nothing bad and warranty seems to be really good for all the vortex stuff. You may not get all the sniper goodies with it, but for what it is, I'd shoot for a vortex.
Riflegear has them for $180
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lots of talk about airgun scopes here. dont want to stray too O/T, but anyone reccomend a good quality airgun scope, for under 80.00?
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You are also the guy who sells Leapers scopes, aren't you? Leapers is what it is. Cheap chinese junk. Many moons ago when I was poor and in college I had one of those Chinese scopes installed on an Enfield. Didn't survive sight in. No person is in his right mind is going to recommend Leapers as a good optic. Find me one gunsmith or expert with a reputation who will recommend Leapers. I wasn't going to respond since you seem to be the resident village idiot, but if you are spreading around false information, I feel that people should counter that.
I am a Leapers dealer, I am not selling him you or anyone else anything.
Leapers Accushot series are great scope for the money period.Chinese junk lol how long have you had your Accushot series? lol exactly.
Like I said if you want to go with a name brand that all the so called experts will approve go with Super Sniper series, half of these guys have no clue what an MOA is or how to use mildots for range estimation adjusting wind and elevation, yet alone be able to hit movers at range.
What ever you do get a scope that has Mark type dials on it, here is a pic of my AR with my so called Junk leapers scope on it.





this group was done at 200 meters .76" 75grHNDY 25.1gr Varget Win case CCI400 primer





here is the scope but don't ever buy one they are junk!


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Bushnell 3200 10x mildot. More reliable and cheaper than the super sniper. I think Scott at Liberty Optics had them for like 175 shipped. When I first started with precision rifles, I had one on a savage 10fp with a B-Square base and Weaver quad lock rings. It worked well. That scope has enough internal elevation to get a 308 to 1k without a canted base. Here's a pic of the old girl:



The Bushnell 3200 is a tried and true scope. I did a little under 500 rounds in 5 days with it here, plus another 5k or so rounds in between competition and running the knobs up and down in the desert. It never missed a beat. And all of my adjustments were realible, no wandering, and always returned to zero. You may save some money initially by buying a cheaper, no-name optic, but it will cost in the long run. Being able to trust an optic is worth more than many know.

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where are you guys finding the bushnell elite 3200 with mil dot for sub 200 or even close to it. I've been looking and scott @ liberty is well priced at $319 shipped. Then you have to buy rings. I would love to source one out that cheap. I'd also look into the vortex line of scopes. Even american rifleman threw that on a .30-06 stevens 200 and said it was a really nice scope for the money ($129) I've heard nothing bad and warranty seems to be really good for all the vortex stuff. You may not get all the sniper goodies with it, but for what it is, I'd shoot for a vortex.
Just bought a Bushnell 3200 10x40 this morning using the MSN Live 25% money back feature and ebay. Shipped, insured, out the door for $131.96.
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Just bought a Bushnell 3200 10x40 this morning using the MSN Live 25% money back feature and ebay. Shipped, insured, out the door for $131.96.
yep what he said - it just came back up, they had taken it off for the past week or so. i was able to get mine with a 30% reduction.
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I personally have a Super sniper. 312$ shipped. Its pretty nice!
After reading 1lostinspace's post, I will look into that leapers scope.
How much are they going for and where can I get one?

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I personally have a Super sniper. 312$ shipped. Its pretty nice!
After reading 1lostinspace's post, I will look into that leapers scope.
How much are they going for and where can I get one?

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An Accushot will run anywhere from $185 to $$280 but sounds like that Bushnell is the way to go they are good scopes and from the sounds of it cheap.

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Bushnell 3200 10x mildot. More reliable and cheaper than the super sniper. I think Scott at Liberty Optics had them for like 175 shipped. When I first started with precision rifles, I had one on a savage 10fp with a B-Square base and Weaver quad lock rings. It worked well. That scope has enough internal elevation to get a 308 to 1k without a canted base. Here's a pic of the old girl:



The Bushnell 3200 is a tried and true scope. I did a little under 500 rounds in 5 days with it here, plus another 5k or so rounds in between competition and running the knobs up and down in the desert. It never missed a beat. And all of my adjustments were realible, no wandering, and always returned to zero. You may save some money initially by buying a cheaper, no-name optic, but it will cost in the long run. Being able to trust an optic is worth more than many know.

On another topic, try to get set up for reloading if you're not already.
I know this guy knows his stuff and $175 shipped is probably the best bang for your buck
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How many times do I have to say this.....Friends don't let friends buy Leapers!

Maybe I should add that to my sig line!
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haha alright ill take a look at that too! thanks
ps it would be a scope that goes onto my new stag 6L
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How much are they going for and where can I get one?
I also know this Nigerian royal family member who will double your money.

Save your money. If you want a low end scope, buy one that is well known and tested like a Bushnell or a Nikon. I can't believe that those Leapers scopes are $180+ You can buy a Buckmaster or an Elite for that money as has been said earlier. Don't believe the Leapers dealer. You won't find a single person without a vested interest recommending Leapers. Talk to any serious shooter or gunsmith anywhere in the world. But it's your money.
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Now, I wouldn't buy a Leapers either, but we should note that companies can and do improve over time. I remember when D-Link wireless routers were total crap, and nowadays, they're actually better than Linksys and Netgear, especially the D-Link DIR-655. Someone else around here pointed out that UTG has come a long way, from designed-for-airsoft stuff to firearms-quality stuff.
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How many times do I have to say this.....Friends don't let friends buy Leapers!

Maybe I should add that to my sig line!
yeah you have the Accushot series and tested it?

what ever I give up mount what ever you want on your gun.
Would i mount the old the old type leapers scopes no I would not, the Accuseries is a different animal like the super sniper is from Tasco, we all know Tasco scopes suck but the Super Sniper version is great well the Accuseries is there version of the SS that's all nothing more nothing less.
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I'm certainly not an optics guy, but I do have an NC-Star mounted on an M44 and I can tell you it's very, very, cheaply made. It definately falls into that category of "Chinese Junk". I also have a Leapers Accushot on my OLL, and while I won't compare it to my Bushnell mounted on my Stevens 200, the Leapers is definately several big steps up from the NC-Star.
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yeah you have the Accushot series and tested it?

what ever I give up mount what ever you want on your gun.
Would i mount the old the old type leapers scopes no I would not, the Accuseries is a different animal like the super sniper is from Tasco, we all know Tasco scopes suck but the Super Sniper version is great well the Accuseries is there version of the SS that's all nothing more nothing less.
Here is an analogy for you. If you buy a higher end Hyundai, they are supposed to be okay cars but will cost the same as a European or US car. Would I buy the Hyundai if I had to pay the same amount of money? Heck no.

Why would someone buy a Leapers with a shady reputation even if it as good as what you say (which I really doubt) when you can buy a better, tested, quality low/mid end scope for the same price range?
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I'm certainly not an optics guy, but I do have an NC-Star mounted on an M44 and I can tell you it's very, very, cheaply made. It definately falls into that category of "Chinese Junk". I also have a Leapers Accushot on my OLL, and while I won't compare it to my Bushnell mounted on my Stevens 200, the Leapers is definately several big steps up from the NC-Star.
I had a Nc star on my gun and here is what happen.

I go to dial in at 500 meters according to my ballistic data and the bullet falls about 15" short, I was like WTF? I figured out that it states 1/8 MOA adjustments but is really 1/4 I called in and they had no Idea what was going on, after a while the front plastic or glass broke
I sent it back they sent another it broke to and this is off a .223 round
They are complete junk. Leapers Accushot series might not be the best but far better then any Chines made and most US made scopes for the money.

Like I said before that Bushnell sounds like a good deal
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Now, I wouldn't buy a Leapers either, but we should note that companies can and do improve over time. I remember when D-Link wireless routers were total crap, and nowadays, they're actually better than Linksys and Netgear, especially the D-Link DIR-655. Someone else around here pointed out that UTG has come a long way, from designed-for-airsoft stuff to firearms-quality stuff.
Wrong analogy. Chipsets are made by the same or similar manufacturers. There are only so many companies in the world that make the internals of what commodity computer hardware is based on.

With crappy optics the components are very different.
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Here is an analogy for you. If you buy a higher end Hyundai, they are supposed to be okay cars but will cost the same as a European or US car. Would I buy the Hyundai if I had to pay the same amount of money? Heck no.

Why would someone buy a Leapers with a shady reputation even if it as good as what you say (which I really doubt) when you can buy a better, tested, quality low/mid end scope for the same price range?
Those cars have a 10 year warrenty!!
vs other cars of just 3 years
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Here is an analogy for you. If you buy a higher end Hyundai, they are supposed to be okay cars but will cost the same as a European or US car. Would I buy the Hyundai if I had to pay the same amount of money? Heck no.

Why would someone buy a Leapers with a shady reputation even if it as good as what you say (which I really doubt) when you can buy a better, tested, quality low/mid end scope for the same price range?
Hey bro all I said is that the accuseries are good scopes for the money I have been telling him to buy the Bushnell for the last 5 posts.
But to say the new Accuseries are cheap crap is false.
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Old 11-02-2008, 11:29 AM
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Now, I wouldn't buy a Leapers either, but we should note that companies can and do improve over time. I remember when D-Link wireless routers were total crap, and nowadays, they're actually better than Linksys and Netgear, especially the D-Link DIR-655. Someone else around here pointed out that UTG has come a long way, from designed-for-airsoft stuff to firearms-quality stuff.
UTG and Leapers are one in the same!
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So I am drowsy as hell since I took a fat swig of NyQuil about 5 hours ago.. and i went and got the 10x40 Bushnell 3200 using ebay, 175$ and 25% cash back should come out to 131$ afterward.

PS cashback is up to 2500$

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back to sleep...
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Those cars have a 10 year warrenty!!
vs other cars of just 3 years
Okay maybe my analogy doesn't work with the warranty.

Nikon, Bushnell, Leupold, etc all have a lifetime warranty and they won't be folding shop anytime soon. Can you say that with Leapers or whatever?
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