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Old 10-20-2008, 1:19 PM
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I think so Vu. But I didn't get a coin as it was only for the teams. I was an army of one at that match. Did get an Xtreme certificate though for my overall finish. I'll put it in a chocolate frame to make me feel better.
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LOL...just got off the phone with Tony aka #7...he is NOT happy about this jack a55 claiming to have gone through SS school.

I guess the men down at the school got wind of this as well.

Pete,

The coins at Mark's match are first class...ran 1000.00 or more because he had to get 50 done.

10 were real silver..and first was really gold.
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The guys that had it worst litterally could not see most of their targets. They were the ones closest to the cars. The guys that had it best was on the complete opposite side. Then there were guys that couldn't see some of their targets, but you guys did have a nice shooting pad. Joe and I had a great field of view, but we had a horrible shooting pad.

There was once a time, when I felt uncomfortable when the team next to me were shooting over me. Joe and I moved when they shot.
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I think so Vu. But I didn't get a coin as it was only for the teams. I was an army of one at that match. Did get an Xtreme certificate though for my overall finish. I'll put it in a chocolate frame to make me feel better.
You would have finished number 1 if your score was doubled. I would have done that if I was the match director. He said he would team anyone up that didn't have someone to team up with.
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LOL...just got off the phone with Tony aka #7...he is NOT happy about this jack a55 claiming to have gone through SS school.

I guess the men down at the school got wind of this as well.

Pete,

The coins at Mark's match are first class...ran 1000.00 or more because he had to get 50 done.

10 were real silver..and first was really gold.
I think the first was actually gold plated but it was pure silver. If it was real gold it was have cost at least $800 to make that one coin.
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Wow...How did you end up infront of the firing line?

No line RO?

Look at this VERY crude drawing...

The top ling line is our ridge, the bottom long line is the road down in the valley. The short lines at the top are the barrel directions, the short lines at the bottom are the targets at the first stage. My position is circled in red




Notice at the farthest stage the targets have moved way down the road and all the barrels have turned toward them, meaning the guys on the right are shooting in our direction. It wasn't directly at us, but it was uncomfortable enough that I scrambled up the hill to be at least at 90-degrees ot the axis of engagement. On one stage Randall actually had to shoot directly over my position. I moved uphill to spot off my cooler. His bullet path was mere inches off the rocks af the head of my mat.

I have never seen a more phucked up shooting line! Rule of 180? Gee, never heard of it!




It should also be noted that our RO never once checked clear and safe after any stage I shot. In fact, when I was done they just walked away. If it hadn't been for the safety-consciousness and maturity of all of the shooters, things could've gone very badly. I can't imagine how it goes in one of his classes with newbie shooters! Yikes!
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Looking at the drawing I was on the right of Wes the middle guy of the three together. Thats exactly why we moved position. We could not get high enough to overcome the hills, rocks etc in front of us especially when the target went to the right in toward the hill. Of course we got DQ'd for that.
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You figure 5000 hours of tactical firearms training would see that kind of problem.

Bruce...I hope you are reading this because you could of gotten someone hurt you moron.

That is amazing......
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Wow...How did you end up infront of the firing line?

No line RO?
The firing line did NOT have a 180 degree control.
Targets were anywhere from 60 degrees left to 60 degrees right with shooters spread out over 75 yds or more.
That leave people shooting almost over you when they are shooting the farthest right target and you are to their right.
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Wow!!

Of all the things said so far this is definately the most serious. Should be a good lesson to all of us as well as those who are new and just quietly reading this right now. WE ARE ALL SAFETY OFFICERS IN A MATCH. Don't be afraid to speak up right now if you experience something like this. There's no excuse for it.

That stupid sumbeetch could have gotten someone killed.

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My position is circled in red





Damn that doesn't look safe.
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I say whom ever won a coin, and is disgruntled that you put it up at 100yrds and Xtremely shoot the **** out of it...

Then you have something to remember

And if you got a cert... it can be the bad guy in a hostage target !
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There was one COF where Joe and I didn't feel comfortable. We were off to the side, but were still in front of a shooter. We of course moved over.

The match in my opinion wasn't a complete waste, it was more of like overcharged and under developed. Shooting is always fun, it was just less fun than what I thought it should have been. If he charged way less, then I'm sure there would have been less complaints.

In the end, it wasn't Xtreme. It was more like like mediocore at best. Most challenging thing was the wind.

One last comment, This could have been a sweet as competition. Location was just superb. All we needed was more steel and we should have shot where the cars were parked and shot downhill. The view was just awesome. So much could have been done.

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Sorry to hear that.

Vu it sounds like a secret squirrel we know.

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One last comment, This could have been a sweet as competition. Location was just superb. All we needed was more steel and we should have shot where the cars were parked and shot downhill. The view was just awesome. So much could have been done.

Thats the pity of this . . . that was a jammin location and with the road the way it was target lay out could have been a breeze to set up all at once if they had more steel. If we'd established a firing line where our hosts sat their butts in their easy chairs we would have had command of the entire area.

Maybe an area 51 there before the rains come and make that road worse than it was.
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That sumbeech just spammed me for a pistol course he is giving!
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That sumbeech just spammed me for a pistol course he is giving!
Well then ask him if its an xtreme pistol course. And if it isn't, tell him you aren't interested.
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My response.

LOL..take me off your spam list.

I get my training from the guys that train you..thank you very much. No need to get my scoop and training 2nd hand.

By the way....nice job with this past weekends match. You should put your money where your mouth is and refund all the cash you have taken from the guys that were unhappy with your pathetic excuse for a Tactical LR match.

And I believe the folks down at the school house may have a few choice words for you since you claim to have gone through all 10 weeks of Scout Sniper training.

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And the xtreme winner...

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but wait there's more.
Buy now and you will also get these:









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Ah Maddox... that guy is the most bitter man on the planet!
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Y'all might find this interesting as I just rec'd this via an email from Bruce (addressing a yahoo group that I'm a member of) regarding this fiasco:

"[Tactical-Rifle] You Guys Might Find These Documents Interesting‏
From: tactical-rifle@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Bruce Krell (BKrell@swarchitects.com)
Sent: Tue 10/21/08 1:35 AM
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Security scan upon download
Precision...pdf (62.7 KB), Stalking ...pdf (43.2 KB)

I thought you guys might find these interesting.
Print them out and look at the dates on them.

The Stalking Rules one was completed in 2000.
I did about 20 stalks and the hell week over about an
18 month period. I wrote these stalking rules to summarize
all that I had learned.

At the time, there was no manual on stalking. They had a power point
presentation which was very high level. At the time,
all of these rules were passed around verbally from instructor to student.
Some of these I figured out on my own based on things that
I did or happenned to me at the time. So I used
all of my stalks and the hell week experience, which included
a lot of stalks and team stalks, among other things, to list
all of the rules. I passed these around to the other instructors.

Those of you who've been through the training should recognize
the validity of these rules.

Maybe they have an actual manual now that lists all of this.
I still have the Scout Sniper Instructor Manuals which were given
to me to study carefully. This 8 volume series from the Sniper Instructor
School at Quantico did not even have a section on stalking.
Maybe they have a newer version that has these.

I spent a bunch of time working with a STA platoon at 29 Palms.
At the time, they did a regular qualifier for the Sniper School. For several
of the qualifiers, I did my ballistics lecture,
which took a full day, the same lecture I did at the full school. Then,
we used the handout to train the sniper candidates on stalking methods.
I would walk through each rule, then we'd use myself and other local instructors
to demonstrate how to apply the rules.

I spent time at both the Sniper School and the STA platoon acting as
an OP on the back of a truck, trying to bust the stalking students. I was OK,
but (now) Sgt. Major Bill Skiles was unbeatable -- he had eagle eyes.

At one time, I hosted a class in Tactical Methods. Bill was the primary OP.
I stalked from 250 yards out to within 10 yards of him in RED BDUs, no ghillie.
This is no BS guys. Bill took the red BDUs back to the school. He wanted
to get the instructors to stalk using red BDUs.

The Precision Shooting Checklist is what I use in my classes today.
This is the technique that I learned at that time I did the Marksmanship
training. I kept careful notes and the exercises that I recorded are used
in my Field Methods class.

Note the date on this checklist -- 2001. I did this checklist in order to
prepare a handout for a private class. I was hired to teach a class to the
CEO, the USA President, and the Marketing Mgr of Accuracy International.
Day 1 was on the range, Day 2 was up in the mountains. Then, we came
back and on Day 3 spent the day as my guest at the Sniper School, letting
all of the students in that class shoot the AI/AW.

I have a 200 page very formal ballistics class -- both practical and theory --
that I spent 8 hours delivering every class for about 2 years.

I also have a 100 page Land Navigation book/class handout that takes you through
a series of lectures and activities and ends up with a series of longer and longer
navigation exercises. This uses the UTM coordinate system, which is pretty much
the same as the MGRS system used by the Marines.

Finally, I have a full class syllabus that I have generated for tactical mantracking.
This uses a lot of materiels generated by David Scott Donelon. These were done
after I left the Sniper School, because they didn't teach this stuff.

Look, you can believe what you want. But, this is the real stuff.

This is all my original materials generated by taking training and by
trying to help the other instructors become better at what they did.

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LMAO!!!!!!!


I haven't been on here for some time now, looks like I missed a bunch.. that was great reading I tell ya!!! I just shot my first 1000yd match at HDMRP from 550 to 1040yds. Hell of alot of fun! I didn't do the best I probably could have but it was a great time for $10. I hope I can get on the list for Nor Cal Practical Precision Rifle Club long range clinic to hone my skills! Cheers all!
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I just bought another nightforce scope.
I never realized that it was extreme...

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Hahaha, I noticed that the other day when I came across my box. Well, to their credit, at least they used the corrrect spelling and they have a seriously good product to back it up.
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I got two spots...one for Bruce and his lil mouth piece. May 30th and 31st of 2009.

Square range out to 1K. Steel range out to 550yards.

Two FULL days of shooting and about 180 rounds fired for score. It may not be Xtreme but it will test your precision shooting skills and let you see where you stack up against shooters that don't shoot for crap anyways.

I know you dont need the money Bruce....you made that clear in your post. However please come take the grand prize away from us non shooting bumpkins. Last year it was a custom GA Precision Rifle worth 3300.00.
I am so glad I found this thread. All I can say is wow.

Bruce sounds like a real champ. If you can get me his full name and who he claims he trained with at 29 Palms I can probably get in contact with the Marines to confirm if his story is accurate or not.


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If you can get me his full name and who he claims he trained with at 29 Palms,
I can probably get in contact with the Marines to confirm if his story is accurate or not.
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From Bruce's email.

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I spent time at both the Sniper School and the STA platoon acting as
an OP on the back of a truck, trying to bust the stalking students. I was OK,
but (now) Sgt. Major Bill Skiles was unbeatable -- he had eagle eyes.
I shot with then SSGT Skiles in 1995 during the Western Division Championships at Wilcox range. I tried connecting with him a little while back with no luck, I will try again to see if he knows Bruce.
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Some folks on Snipers Hide who know him have already contacted SSGT Skiles concerning Krell. They didn't post a verbatim reply, but suffice to say Krell is discredited. I'm hoping we'll here something more substantial at some point.
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I just read the thread. I have sent out a few emails to Marines that were with us at Wilcox that year to see if they have his contact info so I can get the info from the horses mouth.

I haven't talked to Bill since 1995, he sure has done a lot in the Corps over the past 13 years and his career for that matter. One hell of a Marine, I am humbled to have known and competed with him.
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