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Old 10-15-2008, 8:30 PM
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I am building a Spikes lower marked Multi caliber. I am putting a Spikes .22 long rifle upper on it. Do I need a bullet button on it or not? Does the .22 require a button? Thanks.
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Old 10-15-2008, 9:02 PM
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I am building a Spikes lower marked Multi caliber. I am putting a Spikes .22 long rifle upper on it. Do I need a bullet button on it or not? Does the .22 require a button? Thanks.
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Old 10-15-2008, 9:08 PM
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Well thank you but this is for centerfire rifles. Unless I missed something.
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Old 10-15-2008, 10:28 PM
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Interesting question.

The CA AW laws specifically state "centerfire" - so a "rimfire" rifle with evil features and detachable magazine would be legal. HOWEVER, and this is what makes your question interesting, your lower is not specifically marked ".22 Cal". Given that it is marked "multi Cal" I would think the courts might argue that it was capable of using centerfire cartridges and therefore an AW.

If your lower was marked ".22 Cal rimfire" your would be fine. Given that it is not I would be very cautious.

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Old 10-16-2008, 6:16 AM
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Well thank you but this is for centerfire rifles. Unless I missed something.
No, you got it. An assault weapon, as we are using it here, can only be a semi-auto, centerfire rifle.

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[...] HOWEVER, and this is what makes your question interesting, your lower is not specifically marked ".22 Cal". Given that it is marked "multi Cal" I would think the courts might argue that it was capable of using centerfire cartridges and therefore an AW.
No, capability means nothing, there is no constructive possession here. As blackrazor states, it does not matter what the lower says. The only thing that matters is the configuration when, and only when, you attach an upper.

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OK. So no bullet button. Any mag restriction then? Would a previously owned ceiner or is that ciener 30 rnd be ok to use ? Should be I am guessing. Dont like to guess at these things. And thanks guys.
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Old 10-16-2008, 6:25 PM
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Would a previously owned ceiner or is that ciener 30 rnd be ok to use ?
Yes. Any legally possessed mag for that rimfire rifle is a go.
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Well thank you but this is for centerfire rifles. Unless I missed something.
Exactly.

AW laws regarding rifles ONLY apply to centerfire rifles.

Therefore........ Yeah, you can figure the rest out on your own
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Sorry to hijack, but what about a drop in 22 conversion kit?
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Sorry to hijack, but what about a drop in 22 conversion kit?
That depends, what kind of ammunition you are loading and shooting (ie rimfire or centerfire)?

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Sorry to hijack, but what about a drop in 22 conversion kit?
That is what the B15 was invented for .
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.22 conversions, as compared to a dedicated .22 upper, is a very dark gray area. Since the rifle is still capable of centerfire use, it can be construed to still be a centerfire. There has been no rulings either way, but the configuration is "iffy".
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Unless it's one of the "named guns", shat is written on the receiver is absolutely, totally irrelevant. It could say "full auto suppressed illegal murder machine" on the receiver and it's still no worries.

There is no such thing as a rimfire assault weapon, unless you build your rimfire rifle on a "banned by name" lower.
Just to correct any misconceptions, blackrazor was ONLY refering to longguns. There are plenty of rimfire assault weapons that are handguns! I just don't want anyone to misread his post.
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