[Kestryll]

This has been mentioned in the other thread but this new info merits a new thread.

As some of you may know, Oleg Volk owns thehighroad.org(THR) but recently without permission and on his own Derek Zeanah transfered the domain name to himself and has locked Oleg out of the server and the forum control panel.
Effectively stealing THR from Oleg.

Oleg has been involved with his lawyer in trying to retrieve THR and a lawsuit has been filed.
Through it all however Oleg has also been locked out of the server for his other site armedpolitesociety.com(APS) since it is one the same server as THR.
Oleg has a clear title to the domain and all intellectual property and has made arrangements to move that forum off of the server Derek controls.

At least that was the plan.
Oleg posted this on APS today, Derek is trying to steal APS as well.

Originally Posted by Oleg Volk

At the start of this week, I asked Derek to make the database of armedpolitesociety.com available to my designates for backing it up to other servers. He dragged his feet but promised to make it available on Thursday. That didn't happen.

When I called him, he said that he was busy. It's the same claim he made to THR staff. Asked when he would make APS database available, he said: "I talked to a couple of moderators on THR and I think it should be part of the whole settlement with THR. I won't release it."

Feel free to publicize this event.

I own armedpolitesociety.com domain name, so I can move the forum. I would prefer to move it with the current content intact. My lawyer will be in contact with his. In the meantime, I would appreciate anyone with the ear of law enforcement would recommend bringing criminal charges against Derek Zeanah on this matter in addition to the already discussed charges connected with THR hijacking.

One of the most useful things the internet can do is spread info and prevent things from happening in the dark.
Share this around and let every gun board know what Derek Zeanah is doing.

[Steyr_223]

Wow just wow, Kestryll..Thanks for the update. This is just wrong..

[sorensen440]

Derek is a scumbag and I hope he gets more then a civil charge against him



Also I hope when Oleg regains control I can get him to remove the perma ban from my account

[Black Majik]

The weirdest thing happened today while on THR. At around 10:30, THR didn't load fully, and next to the APS link on the top right it look like

APS <--- HACKED BY "so and so"

I refreshed the page and everything was back to normal. Was I the only one to see it? I don't want to ask in THR for fear of getting the boot.

[apbrian112]

that's crazy... hope mr. zeanah gets what's coming to him.

[Gator Monroe]

Is Derick a Liberal Democrat Tech nerd Secular Progressive ?

[Coffee]

Does Derek even own a gun?


Subscribing and cross linking threads:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=122738


Anyone on Cal guns a member of other forums that might want to post this news?


I found some threads on other forums:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.htm...=761667&page=8
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum65/16587-2.html
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/in...topic=15012.50


.

[BB63Squid]

I did some searching and it appeard that this Derek character has quite a few domains registered under his name.

[BamBam-31]

Earlier this week, when discussing the move over on APS, Oleg said:

We'll see how it goes, but I have a great deal of faith in goodness and decency of Derek Zeanah.

To which I said:

Isn't that how this all started in the first place?

And now this.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice....

[odysseus]

Originally Posted by BamBam-31

And now this.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice....

What, during a course of action involving lawyers and negotiations, would you have had him say on a public forum? Of course he would be commenting on Derek doing the decent thing and etc...

.

[Kestryll]

Crossposted to Assaultweb, Gunsnet and FALfiles

[DrjonesUSA]

Originally Posted by Gator Monroe

Is Derick a Liberal Democrat Tech nerd Secular Progressive ?

Actually, he's a muslim and the gang at THR (great term for them) is extraordinarily intolerant of any views counter to their own, particularly any anti-muslim sentiments whatsoever, since the wonderful Mr. Zeannah is a muslim.

Frankly, I cannot say that I'm at all disappointed to hear they are having troubles.

With Oleg's anti-Christian views, THR's problems do not surprise me.......God doesn't have much of a sense of humor about being mocked.......

Karma, and all that too......

I've skimmed the threads on this & held my tongue, but just had to respond to this.........

[ilbob]

Originally Posted by DrjonesUSA

Actually, he's a muslim and the gang at THR (great term for them) is extraordinarily intolerant of any views counter to their own, particularly any anti-muslim sentiments whatsoever, since the wonderful Mr. Zeannah is a muslim.

I would not say extraordinarily intolerant, but there is a level of intolerance there that amazes me for a site that is mostly about free expression. And I do not speak about the restrictions on content, which being a privately owned site the owner (who ever that may be) is entitled to.

[DrjonesUSA]

Originally Posted by ilbob

I would not say extraordinarily intolerant, but there is a level of intolerance there that amazes me for a site that is mostly about free expression. And I do not speak about the restrictions on content, which being a privately owned site the owner (who ever that may be) is entitled to.

I'm a member of several different firearms forums, and in comparison to every other one, THR is extraordinarily intolerant.

I fully understand and agree with the fact that a site owner can set whatever rules he wants, but it gets pretty old pretty fast when he and all the moderators only want to read threads that preach exactly what they believe in.

[odysseus]

Originally Posted by DrjonesUSA

I fully understand and agree with the fact that a site owner can set whatever rules he wants, but it gets pretty old pretty fast when he and all the moderators only want to read threads that preach exactly what they believe in.

That's fine, and you have your opinion. However this doesn't have much to do about anything about this thread and the current issues THR and APS are having with an admin who is apparently out of control.

.

[tankerman]

Can't he take action against whoever allowed the domain to be illegally transferred?

[Hopi]

Originally Posted by DrjonesUSA

Frankly, I cannot say that I'm at all disappointed to hear they are having troubles.

With Oleg's anti-Christian views, THR's problems do not surprise me.......God doesn't have much of a sense of humor about being mocked.......

Karma, and all that too......

Huh.

1. You're 'not disappointed' to hear about somebody else's misfortune? Very Christian of you.

2. Derek Zeenah, who apparently isn't a Christian btw, has stolen from Oleg and you are saying that, not only is God ok with this, but he somehow has something to do with it because he doesn't like to be "mocked"? Interesting, I suppose this is at least consistent with your first point that I listed....

3. Do Christians believe in Karma now?

[DrjonesUSA]

Originally Posted by Hopi

Huh.

1. You're 'not disappointed' to hear about somebody else's misfortune? Very Christian of you.

Taking pleasure in someone else's misfortune is probably not very Christian - being indifferent to it definitely isn't the worst thing I've done.

I'm not claiming to be perfect, anyway.

2. Derek Zeenah, who apparently isn't a Christian btw, has stolen from Oleg and you are saying that, not only is God ok with this, but he somehow has something to do with it because he doesn't like to be "mocked"? Interesting, I suppose this is at least consistent with your first point that I listed....

Neither of them are Christians and at least one of them is fairly openly anti-Christian. Ever read even a bit of the bible? God does not always do nice things to his enemies.

3. Do Christians believe in Karma now?

Not Karma in the traditional Buddhist sense or whatever its origin is, but definitely in some form of it.

[Kestryll]

Originally Posted by DrjonesUSA

Neither of them are Christians and at least one of them is fairly openly anti-Christian. Ever read even a bit of the bible? God does not always do nice things to his enemies.
Quite a bit actually, and the kind of petty vengeance you are ascribing to Him is pretty darn close to mocking on it's own.
God does not act out of spite but in Justice.
Only at Judgment will he pour out his wrath on those that mock and ridicule Him, not as a means to 'get back at someone'.
If God 'punished' people for not believing in Him wouldn't that run counter to His promise of free will?

I am not entirely unversed in either the Bible nor in theology.
Not Karma in the traditional Buddhist sense or whatever its origin is, but definitely in some form of it.

You may believe that but it is NOT a Christian concept.
There is no 'karma' only God's Justice and that only upon Judgment or Christ's return.

[chickenfried]

I guess God's having a little bit of a back log and will get to all the other websites with non-God fearing content later.

Originally Posted by DrjonesUSA

With Oleg's anti-Christian views, THR's problems do not surprise me.......God doesn't have much of a sense of humor about being mocked.......

[STAGE 2]

Originally Posted by DrjonesUSA

Actually, he's a muslim and the gang at THR (great term for them) is extraordinarily intolerant of any views counter to their own, particularly any anti-muslim sentiments whatsoever, since the wonderful Mr. Zeannah is a muslim.

Frankly, I cannot say that I'm at all disappointed to hear they are having troubles.

With Oleg's anti-Christian views, THR's problems do not surprise me.......God doesn't have much of a sense of humor about being mocked.......

Karma, and all that too......

I've skimmed the threads on this & held my tongue, but just had to respond to this.........

I don't know that these troubles are the work of any divine intervention, but its a safe bet that folks with an attitude like Oleg and Co. will usually have more problems getting along that those who don't.

[Coffee]

http://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot....high-road.html

I've had some useful feedback from my former colleagues in the US Department of Justice. I'll be seeing the local US Attorney next week (I've already made an appointment), and I'll lay all the details before him, with a request that he forward them to whichever US Attorney has the best claim to jurisdiction in this matter (there are three candidates). I'm also aware that at least four District Attorneys have now been contacted, in various jurisdictions, and that matters are in hand to press charges under State laws as well. I'm hopeful that Mr. Zeanah will face multiple criminal charges, in multiple jurisdictions, and be convicted in all of them. (This is, of course, over and above the civil case that Oleg's preparing, which I fully expect him to win, and which should result in substantial damages being assessed against Mr. Zeanah.)

[duenor]

If it wasn't for THR, I never would have gotten back into guns.
THR is a VERY good board. I've never felt any intolerance there, and indeed I have felt quite a bit of intolerance here from members - anti muslim, anti welfare, anti immigrant. That's fine - intolerance is protected under freedom of speech (whether some people agree with that or not).

I don't understand what's going on. I'll go look there myself - I've really been away for too long.

Oleg is a personal friend of mine. I once offered him sponsorship, which he declined because he said that he didn't want the site to be beholden to anyone.

Kev

[HillBilly]

I found THR to be extremely intolerant as well, to the point of contradicting the supposed freedom he stood for. Good riddance.

[dasmi]

THR may be intolerant, but Oleg's other forum, Armedpolitesociety.com, is the opposite. You can discuss just about anything there, and Oleg's supposed "anti-christian" views don't seem to stop the many christian members from having discussions about their faith. Current APS is being moved to a new host, to get it away from Derek, but check it out tomorrow.

[jacques]

What drama. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds. A pirated Forum and the legal battles to get it back. I wonder how often this happens.

[artherd]

Oleg is a personal friend, there are several Federal Judges who are extremely interested in this. Can't say more right now; but I would NOT want to be Derek.

[Coffee]

There are currently no mods on THR, this thread will not last long if anyone is interested:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=397522

[SOneThreeCoupe]

God has nothing to do with this. Don't drag your religion into it.

It's just one idiot trying to take what's not rightfully his.

No karma, nothing but Derek getting power-hungry.

[Californio]

I have to ask a stupid question. Would not the site Owner as a general order of business have a non-competition, confidential and trade secret agreement with each vendor and or moderator that is given access to the database, so the Owner could get a TRO in the event something like this happens.

This sounds to me that the business ball, paper work, was dropped and just like a bad shack-up the court will have to figure out how to divorce the parties, very messy and costly.

[mike100]

Is there any money in running a nationally popular website? Maybe he just wants to ransom the domain name...sort of like the first person with a trademark/copywrite.

I don't know anything about THR, but I bet it is going to be like a business with multiple ownership where one guy leaves with the money..probably not much to be done legally.

[chickenfried]

Blasphemer, are you trying to bring the hammer down on this site? Your post just bumped us past granniesanddonkies.com on God's smiting list.

Originally Posted by SOneThreeCoupe

God has nothing to do with this. Don't drag your religion into it.

It's just one idiot trying to take what's not rightfully his.

No karma, nothing but Derek getting power-hungry.

[WokMaster1]

Originally Posted by artherd

Oleg is a personal friend, there are several Federal Judges who are extremely interested in this. Can't say more right now; but I would NOT want to be Derek.

No, you don't say, Oleg's got pictures of the the 9th Circuit judges with sheep?

[Moonclip]

Originally Posted by duenor

, anti welfare, anti immigrant. That's fine - intolerance is protected under freedom of speech (whether some people agree with that or not).

IKev

I don't find being anti welfare or anti immigrant(especially illegal) to be intolerant. Except for CA bashing, usually THR is a very fine board.

[pnkssbtz]

After reading the statements Derek made about APS, it is more clear in my mind that he is only after the $$$.

[Kestryll]

Well, it seems I ticked somebody off because of this post:

Originally Posted by Kestryll

Well, if time on the forum is the qualifier I've been here longer then you.
Does that allow me to discuss this or does it not strike ANYONE that the constant deleting and closing of threads does nothing more then fuel the questions and suspicion?
If you want to not have questions there are two methods of doing it:
Total suppression, squash ANY discussion of a topic.
Upside: Allows total control of information.
Downside: Creates tension, questions, suspicion and ultimately complete mistrust.

Transparency:
Upside: Less work deleting topics and posts, builds trust and a sense of community, prevent scenarios where people are left to question actions and motives.
Downside: Your actions and words ALL have to come from a base of integrity and honor, no lies, no hiding things. Have nothing to hide and you will not have to hide anything.

Guess which one of these methods best mirrors the term 'The High Road'?
Guess which road is not being taken?

Ask me how I know which one works better.

I suppose I will be banned again but that's fine, going down for demanding transparency and truth isn't a bad thing.

One of the Mods posted this and then locked the thread:

Originally Posted by Jeff White

You haven't got a right to DEMAND anything here son. In case you haven't noticed you are a GUEST. Maybe you think it's a good idea to interfere and demand personal information about family disputes from all of your hosts, maybe you enjoy living life like a soap opera character.

There will be no more trolling THR about this. None! Does everyone understand. The gloves are coming off. I don't know how I can be any clearer then that. IF YOU WANT TO TAKE SIDES YOU HAVE OTHER FORUMS, BLOGS, PRIVATE MESSAGES, EMAIL, SMS, AND TELEPHONES. YOU AREN'T GOING TO DO IT HERE ON THR. I CAN'T BE ANYMORE TRANSPARENT THAN THAT

People who go into peoples homes and stick their nose into family business are often asked to leave and they usually are never invited back. Take that any way you'd like. My patience with this whole situation is about gone and I think I'm speaking for the rest of the remaining staff when I say that. You come here looking to drag all of THR into a personal dispute that you aren't directly involved in, don't be surprised if you are asked to leave.

Jeff

Kestryll, if you've got a problem with this, get my phone number from Oleg, as I'd have no trouble telling you the same thing in person.

Since replying in the thread is not possible a PM was sent:

Originally Posted by Kestryll

Oh please, I know a damn site more about how this process runs then you'd likely expect.
I know the whole damn spiel about 'guest'
I also know that NO forum exists without it's members, no matter what we do without them there is no forum, no community and no reason to care who really owns the domain.
What do you say about outright THEFT?
You want to be so noble what are YOU doing about Derek being a thief?
Looking for your cut?
Oh, and drop the 'son' crap, my father knows what 'honor' means.

Of course, underhanded stuff works best in the dark, got to make sure no one knows what's going on, might ruin the value of the 'product' right?

Sadly you are more transparent then you might have meant to be.

'take that any way you want', in other words let me make my threat and try to absolve myself of the responsibility for it by claiming it as someone else's interpretation.
So let's call it what it is since we're being so 'transparent'. "Shut up about the backstabbing theft or we'll ban you."
Does that put too fine a point on it?

Drag THR in to it!?!
Are you serious??
What do you think this whole damn thing is about, baseball cards??
THR was 'dragged in to this' the moment the decision was made to lock it's rightful owner out of the server and guess what? I did not make that decision, look a little closer to home for that one.

And I won't have one iota of trouble telling you in person exactly what I've said here and more in person or elsewhere. I'll even let you respond WITHOUT locking things down afterwards.

Feel free to look me up and have a real transparent conversation without the veiled threats and schoolyard games. I can ALWAYS be found right here:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/index.php

Under normal circumstances I do not condone or advocate this kind of agitation but this is not normal.
Under normal circumstances I would also agree that it's their forum and their home. It's not up to anyone to but them to decide,
But it's NOT their forum and it's NOT their home. It's Oleg's and they have moved in, changed the locks and thrown his stuff out in the street.

Oleg is one of us and he's being ripped off. We stand up for our own.

[technique]

Originally Posted by Kestryll

Well, it seems I ticked somebody off because of this post:


One of the Mods posted this and then locked the thread:


Since replying in the thread is not possible a PM was sent:


Under normal circumstances I do not condone or advocate this kind of agitation but this is not normal.
Under normal circumstances I would also agree that it's their forum and their home. It's not up to anyone to but them to decide,
But it's NOT their forum and it's NOT their home. It's Oleg's and they have moved in, changed the locks and thrown his stuff out in the street.

Oleg is one of us and he's being ripped off. We stand up for our own.

Wow....Good exchange. That must be odd, you being a member or guest at other forums.

[jacques]

Awesome. They will have no one left there after awhile.

There was this link:

http://olegvolk.livejournal.com/

I was looking at it more for the 2nd amendment lowers being offered.....

[duenor]

Update:

Oleg has VERY good friends and they're supporting him. I just contacted him recently and was gladdened to hear that he is not being trod upon.

[dadoody]

Originally Posted by E Pluribus Unum

Here is this guy's contact info as posted on his website:

I called about an hour ago (3am PDT) and he's not picking up.