[hoffmang]

All,

Some organizations in the law enforcement community are going to oppose Incorporation of the Second Amendment. Many of us suspect that isn't the position that most officers, chiefs, and sheriffs actually support. In support of the Nordyke appeal we need members of the following organizations to both ask their organization to withdraw their amicus briefs and/or to write letters to the Court of Appeals stating that the organization does not speak for them:

California Peace Officers' Association - 916-263-0541 - cpoa@cpoa.org
California State Sheriffs' Association - 916-375-8000 - cssa@calsheriffs.org
California Police Chiefs' Association - 916-481-8000 - lmcgill@californiapolicechiefs.org

If you're a member of any of these organizations, you need to call the organization to ask them to withdraw their amicus brief and to write to the Court and tell them that as a member you don't support your organization opposing Incorporation of an enumerated and fundamental right in the Bill of Rights.

Write to:
U.S. Court of Appeals, 9th Circuit
RE: Nordyke v. King, No. 07-15763
95 Seventh Street
San Francisco, CA 94103

If you're not a member, please contact your Chief or Sheriff and ask a LEO friend to call and write a letter. If they don't want to, ask them why not. I'd suggest calling and politely speaking to your Chief or Sheriff just as you'd call Sacramento.

I also ask everyone to call each organization and tell them that you don't appreciate these organizations implicitly supporting the murder of African American elected Judges and Sheriffs by mobs (see US. v. Cruikshank, and The Colfax Massacre) and that you'd appreciate that they take seriously their members' oath to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Let's be heard.

-Gene

[PatriotnMore]

Kestryll, can we make this a high priority sticky?

Game time Ladies and gentlemen, much hard work has gone into this effort, we need to do our parts and burn up their phone lines.

Do we have any email address that can be posted as well?

[yellowfin]

Bring in the out of state folks on this one too?

[grammaton76]

Originally Posted by yellowfin2

Bring in the out of state folks on this one too?

Heh, it'd have to do with whether not the out of staters' corresponding associations have filed amicus briefs against incorporation.

[hoffmang]

I've added the email addresses. I see no reason we need to limit this to California. All I ask is that we remain professional and persuasive.

-Gene

[M. Sage]

Originally Posted by grammaton76

Heh, it'd have to do with whether not the out of staters' corresponding associations have filed amicus briefs against incorporation.

Hey, any public pressure, even pressure from out of state, is good pressure!

[DedEye]

I'll be calling tomorrow.

[bwiese]

Crossposted to THR.

[ptoguy2002]

Somebody needs to post this on arfcom, akforum, falfiles, etc, and explain (in very simple language for one site) that this is an incorporation case and affects EVERYBODY !
I can, I will, but I'm not too smart trying to explain this sometimes.

I ams sure Ed avila or somebody else on arfcom could put this up as a sticky in GD.

[tombinghamthegreat]

I am using facebook and myspace to expand this message. I will use any other networking sites and get a few others to spread this outside of the gun forums.

[tyrist]

I am sorry I am not a member...

[hoffmang]

Originally Posted by tyrist

I am sorry I am not a member...

But you can call the organizations and your local sheriff or chief.

-Gene

[GuyW]

This hit several San Diego County city councils tonight. Plagiarize it freely (as I did when preparing it) if you want.

Friends:

I'm sure that you are aware that the US Supreme Court recently decided in the landmark Heller v. Washington DC case that the 2nd Amendment of the Bill of Rights, really means what it clearly says - that individual citizens have a fundamental right to keep and bear arms.

As a legal matter, that ruling is only binding on the federal government, and not YET directly binding upon the states and local governments.

According to current 14th Amendment legal theory, in order to be binding upon states and locals, the 2nd Amendment must be "incorporated" as an enumerated and fundamental right, into the 14th Amendment.

CA currently has an ongoing court case that should result in "incorporating" the
2nd Amendment for CA citizens.

AMAZINGLY, however, CA law enforcement bureaucrats who SWORE to Support and Defend the Constitution, are actively opposing the 2nd Amendment of the Bill of Rights in CA!

These 3 organizations are planning to send legal Amicus Briefs opposing the 2nd Amendment and the US Supreme Court's Decision:

California Peace Officers' Association - 916-263-0541 - cpoa@cpoa.org

California State Sheriffs' Association - 916-375-8000 - cssa@calsheriffs.org

California Police Chiefs' Association - 916-481-8000 - lmcgill@californiapolicechiefs.org

I'm hereby requesting that Chief ____ and/or the _____ Police Department:

1. send a letter to each of the 3 organizations stating opposition to the unAmerican Amicus Briefs and positions on the matter, and

2. Address the same letter to the Court:

U.S. Court of Appeals, 9th Circuit
RE: Nordyke v. King, No. 07-15763
95 Seventh Street
San Francisco, CA 94103

It may be helpful to pass this message along to individual police officers who may wish to contact the Court and organizations, in the event that the organizations do not speak for them on this matter.

Additionally - anyone can call or write these organizations to ask them why they implicitly support the murder of elected African American Judges and Sheriffs by mobs (see US. v. Cruikshank, and The Colfax Massacre) and inquire whether they understand their members' oaths to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Finally, if any City / taxpayer money goes to these organizations for dues, etc in any form - it should be CUT OFF (recognizing that CA POA is a labor union).

Please contact me with any questions or comments.

Sometimes, its necessary to stand up for Freedom....

-Me-

[GuyW]

OK.....where's Moonbeam's Amicus Brief supporting our position?
.

[Annie Oakley]

I am not a gentleman, but I will do my part and call and write.

[hoffmang]

Originally Posted by GuyW

OK.....where's Moonbeam's Amicus Brief supporting our position?
.

You'll note that the AG didn't file in this case against us like Lockyer did in the past.

-Gene

[hoffmang]

Originally Posted by Annie Oakley

I am not a gentleman, but I will do my part and call and write.

Fixed that for you and my apologies!

-Gene

[Annie Oakley]

Originally Posted by hoffmang

Fixed that for you and my apologies!

-Gene

Thank you Gene. Anyway, I wasn't offended. But you're sweet for doing it anyway.

While I'm thinking about it, why would policemen and sheriff's not want the second amendment incorporated in California ? Is it something that I'm not seeing ?

[leelaw]

Originally Posted by Annie Oakley

While I'm thinking about it, why would policemen and sheriff's not want the second amendment incorporated in California ? Is it something that I'm not seeing ?

Real answer: It's the top brass making policy, and they play California politics. They don't represent the ground-level units actually running on the streets.

CGN answer: It's because LEOs are NAZIs and they want to punish and enslave everyone, just like that evil cop car from Terminators.

[Annie Oakley]

Originally Posted by leelaw

Real answer: It's the top brass making policy, and they play California politics. They don't represent the ground-level units actually running on the streets.

CGN answer: It's because LEOs are NAZIs and they want to punish and enslave everyone, just like that evil cop car from Terminators.

Thank you for the REAL answer. I'll accept the CGN answer as just playful sarcasm.

What are the brass afraid of ? Do they talk to other police outside of
California ? Don't they realize that crime is falling and lives are being saved ? Maybe they just don't know. Or maybe I'm just naive. Can the other policemen here tell us what they hear ? It would be such a shame if the police stop this from happening.

[GuyW]

IMHO, these 3 organizations need to be "punished" politically....whether its on budget items, salaries, or pet projects...

We may not be able to do much of that, but there has to be consequences from our side.

[PatriotnMore]

Originally Posted by Annie Oakley

I am not a gentleman, but I will do my part and call and write.

I changed my poor wording, I did not mean to offend, nor omit the important participation and support our female sisters provide.

My appology.

Thank you for your support Annie.

[Bad Voodoo]

Sent my letters this morning. Will be leaving vmails for my local COP and Sheriff this afternoon.

This is it. Let's be heard!!

[PatriotnMore]

Originally Posted by Bad Voodoo

Sent my letters this morning. Will be leaving vmails for my local COP and Sheriff this afternoon.

This is it. Let's be heard!!

As did I. I second the lets be heard plea.

[mrjones98]

Also contact any friends you have in CHP. They may be more inclined since they can't just get letters for AW's like most agencies.

[kermit315]

as soon as i get a POTS line and the number to VCSD, I will give them a ring. wonder what the reaction will be to hear from somebody underway on this......

oh yeah, and Dubai is still the same stinky, hot Dubai, incase anybody wondered.

[PatriotnMore]

Originally Posted by kermit315

as soon as i get a POTS line and the number to VCSD, I will give them a ring. wonder what the reaction will be to hear from somebody underway on this......

oh yeah, and Dubai is still the same stinky, hot Dubai, incase anybody wondered.

Awesome, thanks for taking the time. BTW, thank you for your service!

[GuyW]

Originally Posted by hoffmang

I see no reason we need to limit this to California.

When the 9th decides this incorporation issue for CA - what chance is there they will decide the issue differently in another state?

So, don't other states have standing to argue, and why not get LE organizations from free states to weigh in with Amicus Briefs as well?

"The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit is a federal court with appellate jurisdiction over the district courts in the following districts:

District of Alaska
District of Arizona
Central District of California
Eastern District of California
Northern District of California
Southern District of California
District of Hawaii
District of Idaho
District of Montana
District of Nevada
District of Oregon
Eastern District of Washington
Western District of Washington

It also has appellate jurisdiction over the following territorial courts:

District Court of Guam
United States District Court for the Northern Mariana Islands"

[swhatb]

bump

[hoffmang]

Originally Posted by GuyW

When the 9th decides this incorporation issue for CA - what chance is there they will decide the issue differently in another state?

So, don't other states have standing to argue, and why not get LE organizations from free states to weigh in with Amicus Briefs as well?

This decision will be binding on all states in the 9th Circuit. We have our amicus in, we just think that the Law Enforcement on the other side doesn't represent their membership correctly.

-Gene

[bubbagump]

Originally Posted by GuyW

This hit several San Diego County city councils tonight. Plagiarize it freely (as I did when preparing it) if you want.

Friends:

I'm sure that you are aware that the US Supreme Court recently decided in the landmark Heller v. Washington DC case that the 2nd Amendment of the Bill of Rights, really means what it clearly says - that individual citizens have a fundamental right to keep and bear arms.

As a legal matter, that ruling is only binding on the federal government, and not YET directly binding upon the states and local governments.

According to current 14th Amendment legal theory, in order to be binding upon states and locals, the 2nd Amendment must be "incorporated" as an enumerated and fundamental right, into the 14th Amendment.

CA currently has an ongoing court case that should result in "incorporating" the
2nd Amendment for CA citizens.

AMAZINGLY, however, CA law enforcement bureaucrats who SWORE to Support and Defend the Constitution, are actively opposing the 2nd Amendment of the Bill of Rights in CA!

These 3 organizations are planning to send legal Amicus Briefs opposing the 2nd Amendment and the US Supreme Court's Decision:

California Peace Officers' Association - 916-263-0541 - cpoa@cpoa.org

California State Sheriffs' Association - 916-375-8000 - cssa@calsheriffs.org

California Police Chiefs' Association - 916-481-8000 - lmcgill@californiapolicechiefs.org

I'm hereby requesting that Chief ____ and/or the _____ Police Department:

1. send a letter to each of the 3 organizations stating opposition to the unAmerican Amicus Briefs and positions on the matter, and

2. Address the same letter to the Court:

U.S. Court of Appeals, 9th Circuit
RE: Nordyke v. King, No. 07-15763
95 Seventh Street
San Francisco, CA 94103

It may be helpful to pass this message along to individual police officers who may wish to contact the Court and organizations, in the event that the organizations do not speak for them on this matter.

Additionally - anyone can call or write these organizations to ask them why they implicitly support the murder of elected African American Judges and Sheriffs by mobs (see US. v. Cruikshank, and The Colfax Massacre) and inquire whether they understand their members' oaths to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Finally, if any City / taxpayer money goes to these organizations for dues, etc in any form - it should be CUT OFF (recognizing that CA POA is a labor union).

Please contact me with any questions or comments.

Sometimes, its necessary to stand up for Freedom....

-Me-

I jacked it from you and posted it on bloodydecks.com & Spearboard.com

[GuyW]

Originally Posted by hoffmang

This decision will be binding on all states in the 9th Circuit.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by hoffmang

....we just think that the Law Enforcement on the other side doesn't represent their membership correctly.
-Gene

Agreed - but even IF (arguendo) they do accurately represent their membership, all the more reason for similar LE groups in other states to present their pro-Constitution viewpoint and arguments.
.

[Californio]

Bubba, good write-up. Sent this over to some Arizona LEO's to see if we can get some help from Free America.

[bubbagump]

Originally Posted by Californio

Bubba, good write-up. Sent this over to some Arizona LEO's to see if we can get some help from Free America.

Its not my write-up...it was written by "GuyW"...and yes...it is good...

[avdrummerboy]

When I email what exactly do I say? Don't send the amicus briefs and stand up for the ordinary citizen or what?

[GuyW]

Originally Posted by avdrummerboy

When I email what exactly do I say? Don't send the amicus briefs and stand up for the ordinary citizen or what?

If you're not a member of one the 3 organizations, the idea is to call / write / email your Sheriff and/or Chief of Police, to get THEM to write the Court, that LE supports the 2nd Amendment in CA (or whichever state you're in) and opposes the Amicus Briefs that misrepresent most LEs opinions....

....wouldn't hurt to tell the 3 organizations that in your experience, they are not properly representing the general LE position on the 2nd Amendment....

.

[Dark&Good]

In a country, where the president says that the country's Constitution is just an old paper, such Amicus Briefs seem like asking for real trouble...

[GuyW]

Originally Posted by Dark&Good

In a country, where the president says that the country's Constitution is just an old paper, such Amicus Briefs seem like asking for real trouble...

I don't follow your thought process...

[Dark&Good]

I just think that doing anti-Constitutional acts repeatedly will hurt these bureaucrats eventually. My opinion.

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