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Old 08-29-2016, 3:37 PM
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Picked up my first Arisaka recently.

I wasn't specifically looking for one but it was part of a package deal and I liked the "been there done that" look of it.

If I was making a video for Classic I'd say this one has "shrapnel damage and blood pitting" and sell it for $2,000

Joking aside, this one is pretty beat up but it does have intact mum and mono pod and I don't see an import mark on it yet. (haven't disassembled the rifle)

Numbered parts I've seen so far appear to be matching.

It looks like it is missing a trigger guard screw. I'm wondering what other parts it might be missing so those of you more knowledgeable about these please chime in and let me know if you see anything else that needs attention. I plan on getting a replacement screw from Numrich as well as anything else that might be missing.

















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Nice score! I wouldn't mind owning a piece of history like that. You are lucky to find one without the Chrysanthemum ground off. What does the bore look like? I have a M98 Mauser with blood rust. I shoot it with respect.

Even though guns like these can look rough, they can be excellent shooters.

Congratulations on that piece of history!
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That thing has definitely seen a war. I would have bought it even if I wasn't looking for one either, congrats! Thanks for sharing.
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Intact mum too. Possible it's a bring-back.

It's got some character, I like it.
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Nice score! I wouldn't mind owning a piece of history like that. You are lucky to find one without the Chrysanthemum ground off. What does the bore look like? I have a M98 Mauser with blood rust. I shoot it with respect.

Even though guns like these can look rough, they can be excellent shooters.

Congratulations on that piece of history!
Bore looks shiny but rifling seems "worn" I guess would be the best way to describe it, not as pronounced as I would expect it to be.

Haven't cleaned it though so we'll once I give it a good cleaning.
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Old 08-29-2016, 4:16 PM
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Bore looks shiny but rifling seems "worn" I guess would be the best way to describe it, not as pronounced as I would expect it to be.
IIRC type 99s are chrome lined, so that may have something to do with it
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Just a quick glance, it looks like you're missing the dust cover (most are because it rattled and usually got tossed by the soldier), and the "wings" for the "aircraft" sights.

Here's a couple of web sites where you can look up your arsenal markings and an Arisaka forum...

http://www.castle-thunder.com/model.htm
http://www.castle-thunder.com/arsenal.htm
http://www.castle-thunder.com/series.htm

http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewforum.php?f=175
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Arisakas used Metford rifling, which can look worn.
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I got my first Japanese rifle recently...interesting, but cured any desire for any more. Nice acquisition.
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Nice. Series 1 Nagoya under 99,999

And to add what GBA said about the rifling, the lands aren't sharp like most others, so that makes it look "worn"

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Brilliant to find one with matching bolt, too!

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That one sure looks like it saw some battle in its day. How smooth is the action with the pitting on the bolt?
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Looks like it's also missing the rear front barrel band screw(s).

Should be easy enough to find.

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Intact mum too. Possible it's a bring-back.

It's got some character, I like it.
I have never seen an import marked Arisaka. I believe most or all of them are bringbacks. I think the only thing that keeps the prices reasonable is the relative scarcity of ammo.

If that monpod is original, it is a rare part. Those things are almost always missing.
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What happened to the front sight wings?
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Nagoya Arsenal. Series 1.

Serial # within range for series 1, so seems legit. Series 1 would be been early war, and that front sight looks like a last ditch simplification? This guy's late war rifle has the deleted antiaircraft sights like yours too.
http://www.russian-mosin-nagant-foru...ic.php?t=22526

How is your buttplate? Nailed wood or screwed in metal?
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Neat bit of history there...very cool.
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Nice rifle and a bit rare being a 1st series Nagoya. You know this one saw action. I'm a bit puzzled thet the front sight does not have a window cutout in the side... as shown on my 3rd series Nagoya here.

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Looks like it was in the ground for sometime. The pitting reminds me of stuff Ive dug up with a metal detetor.
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The rifle could use a salty bayonet and maybe a sling to match, the bayonets are pretty easy to find, but Im not sure about the slings? you might have to use something else as a replacement.

that rifle would make a cool wall hanger
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socal, whats interesting to me is my Arisaka sniper variant was missing the exact same screw on the bayonet lug area. No idea why it was removed/missing.
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Arisakas used Metford rifling, which can look worn.
Thanks, and thank you Armistice for the graphic. yeah that makes sense then now that I look at it.

Butt plate is screwed in metal

As far as the bolt goes, it is pretty smooth from what I can tell but again, haven't had a chance to take it apart and clean it.

Regarding the wings, yeah I noticed those were missing right off the bat but then I've also read that they started to phase those out at some point so would they be "correct" on this series/production run?

I was wondering about the monopod too. I have no idea if it is original but it does seem to have wear that it similar to the adjacent band. i.e. it would seem it has been on there at least as long as the barrel band.



Regarding the hole by the bayonet lug too, ok so missing screws there, looks like Numrich has them in stock.

As far as front sight wing I don't know, I'll take a closer look but I don't remember anything looking like it was broken or ground off


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I have never seen an import marked Arisaka. I believe most or all of them are bringbacks. I think the only thing that keeps the prices reasonable is the relative scarcity of ammo.

If that monpod is original, it is a rare part. Those things are almost always missing.
Tons and tons of them were imported in the 50s IIRC, usually ground mums on those. No import mark required then.

The OPs rifle might not have ever had a dust cover, some were made without it. Not sure about the AA wings
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Your Monopod should have the serial stamped on the back of the attach block. Yours was issued with a dust cover and the sight wings, but these are the 2 items most commonly taken off in the field as the sights would tend to snag on things and the cover rattles. Its more common to see these missing that it is to see them intact...like I said, this baby likely saw some action.
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Thanks I'll check for numbers on the monopod
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Tons and tons of them were imported in the 50s IIRC, usually ground mums on those. No import mark required then.
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Thanks I'll check for numbers on the monopod
I had to clean off decades of war grime, fouling, and blood pitting to read the markings on my monopod. Translated into English, it said "repro."

The rest is all legit though!!

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These things are nifty, but I doubt you could hit a plane parked on an airfield with them....
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OP you can trim '06 brass to length, expand the neck, and fireform it. The base is a bit small, so some put a wrap of scotch tape at the bottom to keep it centered in the chamber when firing. The result is a more symmetric case.
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