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Old 07-01-2016, 11:36 AM
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Please keep the "WILL NOT COMPLY" stuff out of this thread. If you plan to do that, you are a grown up and make your own choices but it doesn't help here. This is only about understanding the new laws. Please read the thread, I don't have time to answer PMs on your personal situation.

I'll give it my best to start going across the web. Some of this might be incorrect FUD. If it is, please let me know and I'll update/fix/add as best I can. I am not a lawyer. Nobody in this thread is giving legal advice. We are discussing but could come to be wrong so keep that in mind. This is early on and we are just trying to help each other make sense as best we can. If you are new, keep in mind the following:

1) This is all new so uncertainty is everywhere. Sometimes we need courts to issue rulings telling us what something means.
2) These laws are written by people who know nothing about guns. As a result they are vague, sometimes contradictory, and are hard to understand. They have zero impact on crime aside from turning a 70 year old law abiding grandma into a felon.
3) There are hundreds of other gun laws that have to fit into the context of these new ones.

SB880 and AB1135 http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...01520160AB1135 and http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...201520160SB880
---See post #479 for a good run down summary---
Bans the sale and transfer of current "bullet button" firearms by reclassifying them as AWs. Goes into effect January 1, 2017.
Practical impact on you: The BB is basically being made to no longer comply with the law as it was. The BB, is in the eyes of the CA legislature, a detachable magazine. All rifles, handguns and shotguns that are centerfire are now officially AWs as configured with a current BB (that does not require disassembly of the action) and must be registered as an AW with the DOJ. You will no longer be able to purchase a current generation BB firearm in CA. Once registered as an AW, it can not be passed down to your kids, you can't let someone under 18 use it, and there are more strict laws on transport and use. It seems you can go featureless to comply without registration. 80% with BB must either be engraved and registered or go featureless.

If you have something that is impacted by the law (pretty much everything with a current BB for starters) here are your options:
A. Register it as an assault weapon.
B. Take it out-of-state for storage or to be sold through an out-of-state FFL dealer.
C. Magazine is welded into the magazine well or somehow made to no longer be detachable under the law (Current BB doesn't work for this)
D. Rifle is made featureless (not possible for any handguns or most shotguns)
E. Surrendered to law enforcement for destruction.

AB1511 - http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...01520160AB1511
New regulations around loaning firearms
Practical impact on you: Bans loans of longer than 3 days and loans for other than lawful purposes.
Questions:
Can I still handle that gun at the gun shop? Yes
Can I still rent a gun at the range? Yes
Can I loan a gun while I'm personally still present? Yes

AB1695 http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...01520160AB1695
Created a 10-year firearm prohibition for someone convicted of falsely reporting a lost or stolen firearm.
Practical impact on you: Can't falsely report lost or stolen firearms. A common opinion is that they're paving the way for confiscation. No more boating accidents.
Questions:

Senate Bill 1235 http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...01520160SB1235
Placed restrictions on the purchase of ammunition and would require the attorney general to keep records of purchases. This legislation would further require any online ammunition sales to be conducted through a licensed vendor. Goes into effect Jan 1, 2018
Practical impact on you: It is unknown how many retailers will wish to deal with California because there are still some VERY limited exemptions. All online sales of ammo are done. All out of state purchases of ammo are done. No road trips for ammo that you plan on bringing back into CA. Does essentially the same thing as Gavins ballot proposition.
Questions:
What is the C&R/COE exemption good for here? - Looks like C&R/COE can purchase ammo out of state and online (if vendors will learn CA laws)
Can I buy ammo out of state and bring it in? - No, you are allowed a few small exemptions for hunting and shooting at matches, but can return with no more than 50 rounds
Does it include reloading components - It looks like the answer is no.
Can I sell ammo to my friend? - No, private sales of ammo must go through a licensed ammo vendor like a PPT for ammo.

Senate Bill 1446 http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...01520160SB1446
Banned the simple possession of ammunition feeding devices/magazines that are capable of holding more than 10 cartridges. Goes into effect, July 1, 2017
Practical impact/what it means to you: You have to either allow your mags over 10 rounds to be confiscated or move them out of state.
Questions:
Does this impact LE, or are they exempt on personal mags? They are exempt it seems along with retired LE
Can I just take apart my mags of greater than 10 rounds? The law is not clear. This is an infraction so expect a $100 fine on the first mag offense and confiscation of the magazine.
Are there any exemptions for the non-LE class of citizens? Yes. If you have a firearm for which you owned a mag and no 10 round mag is available, you may keep that high-capacity magazine
Are 10/30s banned? No.

Irony: While Governor Brown and the Democrats have criminalized millions of California Gun owners today, he specifically chose to veto a bill that would have made theft of a firearm a more serious offense. So just remember when you hear that this has to do with public safety, manufacturing new criminals by having a newly defined assault weapon is a MORE serious crime than stealing a firearm.
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How does this impact featureless rifles? Stuff like Ak's with grip wraps, etc?
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How does this impact featureless rifles? Stuff like Ak's with grip wraps, etc?
I have added the question to the FAQ. I think it does NOT impact them at this time as they would fall in with M1 Garands, M1 Carbines, etc.
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Excellent summary (unfortunately).

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Good thread. To facilitate discussion, maybe consider adding links to the bills under each one for easy reference.
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Good thread. To facilitate discussion, maybe consider adding links to the bills under each one for easy reference.
Will do.
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Great post OP! Especially for this moment of time. Please keep it updated. Really appreciate your work!
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Thank you John.
I'll try to add any updates from FPC and others.
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Senate Bill 1235
Placed restrictions on the purchase of ammunition and would require the attorney general to keep records of purchases. This legislation would further require any online ammunition sales to be conducted through a licensed vendor.

Question: Does Sale mean that it has to be a cash transaction? If you go the range with a friend you can't hand them a single round or a full magazine as you would be guilty of an illegal transfer of ammunition when not licensed? Drop a round on the ground and no one else can pick it up without breaking the law because the transaction was not recorded by the AG? You cant trade a box of .223 to a friend in exchange for some 9mm? HOW did that idiot sign this? The last part was rhetorical.
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Will ask how 880/1135 affects firearms such as the 1919a4 or M2hb, those are still gtg correct?
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How does the bullet button ban affect 80% lowers? Would the lowers need to be completed and installed with a bullet button by the end of this year, or could it be installed after the law goes into affect? And would a serial number need to be engraved before registering it as an assault weapon?
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"Reloading components seem to fall under the same laws. No road trips for ammo that you plan on bringing back into CA."

Reloading components? Seriously? Obviously have to go check the language of the "law". Seems doubtful.

As for no out-of-state purchases - even in the farcical, lawless parody of a country/state that we have (seemingly overnight) become, does this bill actually outlaw importation of ammo?

So now the "courts" can clarify, finally, that the 2A of course means single-shot rimfire firearms. With locally purchased, and registered, ammunition.

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Senate Bill 1235
Placed restrictions on the purchase of ammunition and would require the attorney general to keep records of purchases. This legislation would further require any online ammunition sales to be conducted through a licensed vendor.

Question: Does Sale mean that it has to be a cash transaction? If you go the range with a friend you can't hand them a single round or a full magazine as you would be guilty of an illegal transfer of ammunition when not licensed? Drop a round on the ground and no one else can pick it up without breaking the law because the transaction was not recorded by the AG? You cant trade a box of .223 to a friend in exchange for some 9mm? HOW did that idiot sign this? The last part was rhetorical.
Goodbye to the Private Ammo Sale Section in the Marketplace.
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Senate Bill 1235
Placed restrictions on the purchase of ammunition and would require the attorney general to keep records of purchases. This legislation would further require any online ammunition sales to be conducted through a licensed vendor.

Question: Does Sale mean that it has to be a cash transaction? If you go the range with a friend you can't hand them a single round or a full magazine as you would be guilty of an illegal transfer of ammunition when not licensed? Drop a round on the ground and no one else can pick it up without breaking the law because the transaction was not recorded by the AG? You cant trade a box of .223 to a friend in exchange for some 9mm? HOW did that idiot sign this? The last part was rhetorical.
I'm not seeing exemptions for any of those transfers. I don't think it matters if it is cash or not.
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Bill 1235. You put doesn't go into effect until 2018. Is this correct or typo?
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How would they do that? You drive out of state. Buy ammo. Drive back. Keep your mouth shut. GTG.


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AB1511--no more renting guns to try out at the range??
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I agree! But, was asking to clarify to the below.

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Placed restrictions on the purchase of ammunition and would require the attorney general to keep records of purchases. This legislation would further require any online ammunition sales to be conducted through a licensed vendor. Goes into effect Jan 1, 2018
Practical impact on you: All online sales of ammo are done. All out of state purchases of ammo are done. Reloading components seem to fall under the same laws. No road trips for ammo that you plan on bringing back into CA.
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As for no out-of-state purchases - even in the farcical, lawless parody of a country/state that we have (seemingly overnight) become, does this bill actually outlaw importation of ammo?
Yes it does. The only exemption I see that might apply to some here is for FFL C&R holders with a COE and hunters and competetors returning with less than 50 rounds of ammo.

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You can still sell, you just have to meet at a state approved ammunition vendor to conduct a background check on the buyer and to make sure the buyer is registered with the DOJ.
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Ok, get it. Unless there's a real provision (Out of state will deny out of state ID) then ok.

The inlaws have a house in AZ, so I guess i'll continue doing what ive been doing anyway.
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Get caught importing and you are in trouble. Remember is isn't about what you can do as much as what "THEY" can prove.

That said 0 compliance from me. I will still buy out of state and they can kiss my entire white a&&.
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I'll need to read SB1235 in detail again... I really hope that reloading components won't fall under the same law...
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Get caught importing and you are in trouble. Remember is isn't about what you can do as much as what "THEY" can prove.

That said 0 compliance from me. I will still buy out of state and they can kiss my entire white a&&.
Exactly, when we visit our AZ house, I bring ammo with me, I might or might not purchase, might or might not expend ammo while there down range and I will return with ammo in the container I brought it over with.
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Yes it does. The only exemption I see that might apply to some here is for FFL C&R holders with a COE and hunters and competetors returning with less than 50 rounds of ammo.



The courts will have to sort that one out.



You can still sell, you just have to meet at a state approved ammunition vendor to conduct a background check on the buyer and to make sure the buyer is registered with the DOJ.
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Question and sorry in advance: How can they restrict ammo purchases out of state?
You can buy whatever you want.....you just cant bring it back with you.
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Old 07-01-2016, 12:09 PM
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What is the C&R/COE exemption good for here? - Looks like C&R/COE can purchase ammo out of state and online
I see a C&R license in my future.
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Exactly, when we visit our AZ house, I bring ammo with me, I might or might not purchase, might or might not expend ammo while there down range and I will return with ammo in the container I brought it over with.
Yep, bring ammo for Front Sight, bring ammo I don't use back.
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