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I think the tubes are different, and the base plates may have different numbers on them. I rebuilt some of my old Gen-I G17 magazines with new tubes/baseplates awhile back.
I have yet to need to change the follower, so someone else will have to tell you if that's different at all. -Dave PS- I think the new 33rd mags have different base plates too- not sure about the tubes. |
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I can answer this one. Mind you, I’m discussing just the G17 9mm magazines. GLOCK’s original (pre-ban) magazines were NFML (non-full metal lined). They were designed to stick in the magazine well if the magazines had ammunition in them and the magazine catch was inadvertently pushed. These magazines had no inserts and the floor plates didn’t have the hole in them as the future varieties have. You can tell these magazines easily by the distinctive “U-shaped” notch. These magazines could be upgraded with the 5572 insert and 455 floor plate. Prior to the 1994 ban GLOCK also introduced the FML (full-metal lined) magazines. These magazines have the “square notch” on them, which is still the case today. They also had the 1693 insert and 3206 floor plate, both of which are still used today. The 1994 ban saw two changes. 10-round magazines were introduced, which had its own 2183 follower and the standard-capacity magazines (I dislike the use of “high capacity”) were marked “LE only.” Fast forward to 2004. 10-round magazines are still produced for those folks with magazine capacity limitations. For standard capacity magazines the tubes were changed, as were the followers. Since 2004 the tubes have been changed once again and the current followers are at #6. The current standard magazines look like the last of the pre-ban magazines. It takes a trained eye to spot the differences but the give away is the follower. Magazine springs for the 17-rounders (448) have not changed since their introduction to the U.S. in 1986. Magazine springs for the 10-rounders (2309) haven’t changed either. Don’t get me started on the “+” inserts and floor plates.
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![]() ![]() ![]() Generations #1-4 were made before the ban. Generations #5-6 were made during the ban. Generation #7 was made after the ban. There is now a Generation #8 (not pictured). It looks similar to Generation #7, but has the ambi-mag release cut-out in the front of the magazine.
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i've done a bit of research on glock magazines
all my glock 17 mags and most of my glock 21 mags are origional U mags as when i bought the glocks it came with them during the period after 1994 things went a little nuts people were selling mags for like $90-$125 each and me being the sucker that i am at a cow palace show i bought 2 third gen mags from one eyed jack for $90 a piece (ouch) because he recognized me as buying some mini 14 mags a while back he wanted $110 each at the time so i saved 20 each buying two here is a pic of the U knotch mags ![]() here is a pic o got online about the generations ![]() its hard to tell from that pic since i cannot tell if there is a square knotch mag i've always gone U are the first gen the square are the second and the angled ones were third but there is so many little differences most my U knotch mags floorplates dont have the inner locking plate their internal metal is black but one of them does and its internal metal is shiny so would that be a generation 2.5? their floorplates actually go up inside the grip a little the newer ones just are a even bottom its a real conundrum all the little changes to"perfection" over the years but it seems that the ones made after the crime bill expiration that are unmarked have the caliber designation up higher on the back than before here is a pic of the square knotch (funky mag) for glock 21 the two i bought from one-eye and a sherer replacement body for that one unfortunate incident when i split a body(yea the one time a U knotch decides to drop free i step on it) ![]() the shearer body sucks they only made them for less than a year right at the end of the ban it was full of plastic sprue and the rear notch which was square had burs that caught the rims so i dremmeled them into angle cut type and after careful cleanup with a long snap blade razor knife i cleaned it up enough to feed most of the time as you see i put a +2 on the bottom since i got it in a trade and like keeping my glock mags pure ive never used the 2 $90 ones as they cost me so much i treat them like faberge' eggs Last edited by bohoki; 09-13-2008 at 1:48 PM.. Reason: dug in the back of my safe for more mags |
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I have another question. If you owned Pre-Ban Mag's and have rebuilt them a number of times, so there was no longer any of the original parts (pre-ban parts) in the mag. Are they still legal? Do you have to keep at least one of the original parts?
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no, you dont have to
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the #1 mag is non metal lined the difference between #2 #3 is they added a little over insertion shelf the difference between 3 and 4 is number 4 is full metal lined and the mag body was lengthened to allow a baseplate that does not enter the mag well there really should be a mag between the squareback#4 and lowcap#5 that is a full capacity mag with the angle cuts (it also allows a +2 bottom to fit +3 comfortably in 9mm) Last edited by bohoki; 09-15-2008 at 9:44 AM.. |
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OK, I'll risk a necro-post. Safer than risking someone grumbling about "use the search button!"
I have a number of .40 cal G22 magazines, both 10-round and 15. Some of these I have rebuilt over the years, especially to replace the pre-ban NFML bodies with drop-free bodies. Thinking about it the other day, I realize I have a number of different baseplates, some with 3206, some 455 (originally pre-ban?) and some without numbers (just the Glock logo). What is the difference between these baseplates, and does it matter which go with which bodies? On a related topic, I've probably mixed the followers up over the years, so is that also a possible problem for reliability? I have always made sure to use the ten round springs in ten round bodies, and likewise the fifteen. I've never experienced a problem, so maybe I'm worrying about nothing, but if anyone wants to comment, I'm listening. After all, if they have different part numbers, there must be a reason. Any comments too on the new eleven coil springs I see advertised?
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would love to see the flip side of these mags :-) |
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Thanks for all the information, I have learned a lot about the Glock magazines in this thread.
Can anyone recommend any good online place to order the rebuild-kit for the Glock magazines (mine is Glock 19)? Regards, |
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Since, someone already brought up this thread.
Figured I post updated photos of the different Glock generations. ![]() Generations 1-4 = pre-'94 ban Generations 5-6 = during the '94 ban Generations 7-8 = post-'94 ban |
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You do not need to keep the original parts in the rebuild, If you need to rebuild the magazine just make sure you do not end up with more mags than you had and do not assemble the rebuild kits while the prebans are assembled or you are manufacturing illegal high capacity mags. All of my Glock 17 mags are rebuilt I have some pre bans I left loaded that cracked I decided to just rebuild all of them and toss the springs and followers after all the way I see it why not just overhaul the whole thing?
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NO!!! If you were not in possesion of regular capacity mags before the ban date, then you CANNOT buy them and use them now. You can buy rebuild kits but you CANNOT assemble them within the state. FUN isn't it!!!
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![]() Thanks for the info. Guess I'll just stock up on some 10s then. |
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Out of all of my Glock 17 mags I have two that look just like #6 in this pic:
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Here is another question (for anyone). How do you prove you have a pre-ban if you have rebuilt it?
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Return them to CA as rebuild kits.
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2. You don't need to prove anything. It is up to them to prove you have illegally manufactured/imported a hi-cap
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Everything you always wanted to know about mags in CA:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=387409 Thanks Librarian...
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