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Old 04-23-2016, 10:48 AM
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Default SB 1446 Hancock - 2016, ban all large-cap magazines

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Whats the status of this bill?

Here is SB1446 status information

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...01520160SB1446


And here is where you can look up any bill. Info updates are usually a day or two behind.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...chClient.xhtml


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While I check this page frequently, sometimes several dozens times a day if a bill(s) are being heard, every few weeks while reading the California 2nd Amendment Political Discussion & Activism forum I realize focus is being lost, and I start seeing posts like "what should I get before the ban" and How do I register my AR15?".

This thread succinctly addresses this bill. It may need updates, but that's why it's being bumped and to get the importance of it back on the front page.

SOOooooo many of these bills are being ignored, forgotten or lost in the minutiae of how many Anti-2nd Amendment bills have been introduced this year, that it's exactly what these legislators have been hoping to do since the beginning - to create chaos, distraction, and an avalanche so cumbersome that most gun owners simply burn out, see it as futile, and go full-blown apathetic.

We can't let that happen.
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Assembly Floor Session - Jun 30, 2016
(Third Reading)

SB-1446 Firearms: magazine capacity. Hancock
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...01520160SB1446

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAoJmRsLh7w


(Majority vote it must pass by 41 votes in the Assembly)

Score: Gungrabbers 43, Defenders of US Constitution 29

Constitution loses. SB-1446 passes assembly vote.

Bill History:
06/30/16 Enrolled and presented to the Governor at 1:30 p.m.

So waiting on Governor for Veto or no Veto.
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I wonder how they're going to deal with my 10 round .458 SOCOM mags... I mean they look like 30s and I guess they could hold 30 rounds of other cartridges but...
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Beside the point. It's time to use the things, not dispose of them or hide them.
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they've been trying for years to do this. in reality this is political posturing. Had Newsom not be the narcissist he is and not introduced his BS initiative this bill would not seen the light of day.

we can thank Newsom for this legislation being introduced and signed as with all the legislation that was gutted and amended and fast tracked to beat him.
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....and Brown for signing it. Some friend he turned out to be
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Beside the point. It's time to use the things, not dispose of them or hide them.
If you were talking to me, believe me, I have no intention of disposing or hiding... besides - it's perfectly legal.

I'm just saying that it'd be an interesting court challenge if myself or someone like me got busted for being "in possession."

For 5.56, it's definitely a standard capacity mag, but you CANNOT fit more than 10 rounds of .458 SOCOM in it. Should be perfectly legal all over the place but... now probably banned for future purposes because it has alternate uses.

What happens if the mag gets damaged or I need to replace the spring? Can't do it because the part is considered verboten even if it isn't. So now they're blocking legal items by pretending that they aren't legal.
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they've been trying for years to do this. in reality this is political posturing. Had Newsom not be the narcissist he is and not introduced his BS initiative this bill would not seen the light of day.

we can thank Newsom for this legislation being introduced and signed as with all the legislation that was gutted and amended and fast tracked to beat him.
That was their plan the whole time.....we are being easily out maneuvered
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Remember all of the Calguns sheeple that would argue over and over that Moonbeam was a pro-gun Libertarian, lol.
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I wonder how they're going to deal with my 10 round .458 SOCOM mags... I mean they look like 30s and I guess they could hold 30 rounds of other cartridges but...
I'm in the same boat. I probably have a dozen or more.

Base plates are clearly stamped .458 SOCOM 10 Rounds.

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Just re-read the final version of this bill. It looks like magazines permanently altered to only hold 10 rounds are not affected, i.e. 10/30's - correct?
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Everything I own is pre-ban. Basically this says cripple or destroy everything I have (magazines).

Sweet job, California. "Shall not be infringed," heh. LOL.

I gotta get out of this fail**** place.

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how can this even be legal? expost facto?
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Everything I own is pre-ban. Basically this says cripple or destroy everything I have (magazines).

Sweet job, California. "Shall not be infringed," heh. LOL.

I gotta get out of this fail**** place.
Maybe send the bill for converting to Hancock or Brown? This could run several hundred dollars.
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That is the point. They want to drive political dissidents like us out. Your reaction is exactly the intended outcome. Making us criminals for conducting law-abiding activity has been very effective historically.
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That is the point. They want to drive political dissidents like us out. Your reaction is exactly the intended outcome. Making us criminals for conducting law-abiding activity has been very effective historically.
People have been fleeing since at least the 90s. I stayed. There's a limit.

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Straight up Fing confiscation. Wiping out millions upon millions of magazines and hundreds of millions of dollars!!! Why won't anybody pick up arms against the state already?

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Does this law affect 10/30's?
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Does this law affect 10/30's?
I remember seeing something about it can't be artificially oversized, but I haven't seen anything about that since.
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I wonder how they're going to deal with my 10 round .458 SOCOM mags... I mean they look like 30s and I guess they could hold 30 rounds of other cartridges but...
No kidding...I just magically aquired a crapload of 458 10-round mags overnight...

Reckon I'll have to build a rifle for the caliber...
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No kidding...I just magically aquired a crapload of 458 10-round mags overnight...

Reckon I'll have to build a rifle for the caliber...
That was actually, legitimately, the hard thing for me - I decided to do a .458 during the last panic (because timing always works out like that) and it took me about four months to snag an upper from Wilson because I didn't want to pay the panic prices.
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Again buried in this bill that defines high capacity magazines as those holding more than ten rounds or previously could have held more than ten rounds. All these 30 round AR & AK mags with the rivet to block them to 10 rounds will become illegal. Each one is a separate infraction with the wth a cumulative effect of multiple msgs being bumped up to gun misdemeanor subjecting you to becoming prohibited person and forfeiting all your gun rights.
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No kidding...I just magically aquired a crapload of 458 10-round mags overnight...

Reckon I'll have to build a rifle for the caliber...
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Again buried in this bill that defines high capacity magazines as those holding more than ten rounds or previously could have held more than ten rounds. All these 30 round AR & AK mags with the rivet to block them to 10 rounds will become illegal. Each one is a separate infraction with the wth a cumulative effect of multiple msgs being bumped up to gun misdemeanor subjecting you to becoming prohibited person and forfeiting all your gun rights.
Doesn't that mean ALL blocked magazines are going to be illegal?
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Article 1, Section 10, Clause 1

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

Shouldn't this law be banned by this clause? I know they don't care what the Constitution says but we should have a good shot of stopping this law, right?
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Article 1, Section 10, Clause 1

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

Shouldn't this law be banned by this clause? I know they don't care what the Constitution says but we should have a good shot of stopping this law, right?
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Again buried in this bill that defines high capacity magazines as those holding more than ten rounds or previously could have held more than ten rounds. All these 30 round AR & AK mags with the rivet to block them to 10 rounds will become illegal. Each one is a separate infraction with the wth a cumulative effect of multiple msgs being bumped up to gun misdemeanor subjecting you to becoming prohibited person and forfeiting all your gun rights.
Where is this in the bill? Can you point to the language?
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No. It is not an "Ex Post Facto" law.

Nice try, but no cigar.

An Ex Post Facto law is one that criminalizes conduct that occurred before the law took effect.

If SB 1446 were written to criminalize your purchase of a large-capacity magazine in the past, then it would be an "Ex Post Facto" law. But that's not what the law does.

SB 1446 criminalizes your possession of the large-capacity magazine after the law takes effect. The law also gives you a period of time to dispose of your magazines. That prevents it from being an "Ex Post Facto" law.

It is a fair question whether SB 1446 amounts to an effective "taking" of your personal property without compensation, in violation of the Fifth Amendment, but that's a question for a different thread.
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Again buried in this bill that defines high capacity magazines as those holding more than ten rounds or previously could have held more than ten rounds. All these 30 round AR & AK mags with the rivet to block them to 10 rounds will become illegal. Each one is a separate infraction with the wth a cumulative effect of multiple msgs being bumped up to gun misdemeanor subjecting you to becoming prohibited person and forfeiting all your gun rights.
You sure about that? I just read it again and I don't see that language in the final version. I think it was in there at one point, though.
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I don't think he can point to it because I don't think its there. There is no new definition of a large capacity magazine.

Prior law explicitly exempted a magazine that had been "permanently" altered to hold no more than 10 rounds. 10/30 were legal before. Nothing in this law changes that, so they will still be legal.
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Here is link to final text: http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...01520160SB1446
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so now 96% of my firearms have no magazines. I will have to spend over 1000 dollars just to replace magzines I have had for over 30 years. For some there are no 10 round magazines even made...thanks California for being the stupidest state in the Union...again..maybe we should get a petition going to ban LEO from using or possessing over 10 round magazines. Im sure we could get enough signatures to qualify on the ballot. I mean look at all those poor BLM people who were shot over a dozen times..
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