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Old 08-10-2016, 6:53 PM
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That same argument could be applied to reason for CCW issue to all non-prohibited persons. If it saves one civi life, is that not equally worth it?
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Old 08-09-2017, 12:40 PM
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Curious there are no updates on this case despite activity (appeal filed, etc.) over the past several months after the case was dismissed with prejudice in August 2016. Oh, it's now titled "Jordan Gallinger, et al v. Xavier Becerra".

I guess we're dependent upon Mr. Nichols to provide the relevant updates and documents: http://blog.californiarighttocarry.org/?page_id=4323
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Old 08-09-2017, 1:36 PM
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Curious there are no updates on this case despite activity (appeal filed, etc.) over the past several months after the case was dismissed with prejudice in August 2016. Oh, it's now titled "Jordan Gallinger, et al v. Xavier Becerra".

I guess we're dependent upon Mr. Nichols to provide the relevant updates and documents: http://blog.californiarighttocarry.org/?page_id=4323
Or, you could put, "Jordan Gallinger, et al v. Xavier Becerra", into Google and get the documents.
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Old 08-09-2017, 8:25 PM
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Here, I'll help:
https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.ne...pdf?1498096775
https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.ne...pdf?1498096776
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Old 08-10-2017, 8:48 AM
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Or, you could put, "Jordan Gallinger, et al v. Xavier Becerra", into Google and get the documents.
Where are the other four? Why do you snidely tell us that google will provide the docs and then just list two of the six?

Yes, if you add the names of those other four docs to the new case name google will provide them, but not before. In other words you have to know the names of those other documents filed in the case thus far in order for google to reveal their location, whereas Mr. Nichols provides them all in one simple location (as above: http://blog.californiarighttocarry.org/?page_id=4323) for those of us who may not have known to search for "Appellants’ Motion to Take Judicial Notice", or "CATO Institute Amicus Brief in Support of Appellants", etc.

But, suit yourself.
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Old 08-10-2017, 10:52 AM
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Where are the other four? Why do you snidely tell us that google will provide the docs and then just list two of the six?

Yes, if you add the names of those other four docs to the new case name google will provide them, but not before. In other words you have to know the names of those other documents filed in the case thus far in order for google to reveal their location, whereas Mr. Nichols provides them all in one simple location (as above: http://blog.californiarighttocarry.org/?page_id=4323) for those of us who may not have known to search for "Appellants’ Motion to Take Judicial Notice", or "CATO Institute Amicus Brief in Support of Appellants", etc.

But, suit yourself.
I apologize for attempting to assist you.

I shan't replicate that error in the future.
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Old 08-10-2017, 1:16 PM
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I apologize for attempting to assist you.

I shan't replicate that error in the future.
Good to know that your definition of "assist" is to provide lame information that doesn't really do what you claimed it would and that even you yourself, following your own "assistance", couldn't produce the documents you claimed you could.

I'd already provided a link to ALL the documents in one convenient location, so how was you providing a faulty "assist" that only produces 33% of the documents an "assist" to me?

Perhaps you meant to write:

"I apologize for attempting to assist OTHERS by providing faulty information that was far less useful than the other information/link already posted by the user above.

I shan't replicate that error in the future."

So... anyone have any guesses they'd like to share about the probability of, and rationale for, the success or failure of the appeal?
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Old 08-20-2017, 6:04 PM
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And the word I used was "fixed", as in not only "fixed" as in repaired. [pun]

But "fixed" as in crooked. Agreeing with your "Broken". Humorous double entendres not your strong suit I see.

Oh, never mind. When you have to break down a joke word for word, for people who just don't get it, it loses its zing.
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yet witness', and THEIR families, who are more instrumental in putting away bad guys have to deal with the "get some for Johnny" gang with the same restrictions as everyone else

besides, the "get some for Johnny" mentality is usually during the course of a trial, or investigation, betting not 15-20 years later when these guys are grazing in the pastures

on a serious note, i think Ron Solo mentioned something in a post one day about running into a guy he had arrested before, don't remember the details, maybe im mistaken
I've only been retired a little over 14 years, so I'm not grazing yet. Beginning on Apri 1, 2018 tho, I'll be grazing in a pasture near you. I posted some time back that I've run into two I knew from my early years working custody (Sheriff's Dept., something we do prior to patrol). The first time I was in a dept. store in the local mall with my wife and two young children, when I heard a male yell out, Hey, Deputy ....". My wife immediately took off in the opposite direction (yes, she took the kids with her), while I, at the same time, began walking toward the voice to head him off. It was a former inmate who was with a group of a couple of males and females who all looked like gangbangers.

The other time was when I went to my cleaners to pick up my uniforms and saw a tatted up gang banger type behind the counter. My receipt of course had my name, but he didn't need as he called me by name when I walked in. Again, another former inmate, this time a trusty who had worked for me. Thankfully, he ran off approx. a month later after being in an accident while driving the company van. He wasn't at fault, so I surmised he had either a warrant or a parole or probation violation. Thankfully, I had no further contact with the former inmate.

Both incidents occurred outside the county I worked for. I lived in Riverside County in the first one and SB County in the second one.



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CA might have their hands tied anyway because federal law (Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004) specifically allows retired LEO to conceal carry without a permit regardless of local laws... something about former inmates coming back to try to kill them years later. It's stupid since EVERYONE should have the right to carry but there it is.
That's incorrect. Honorably retired le who had at least 10yrs. in le, obtain a ccw permit good nationwide for one year under LEOSA. If they carry a concealed firearm, they must carry the permit if they travel outside of Ca. and in Ca. if they don't carry a dept. issued one or one issued by their local lea.

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Old 08-21-2017, 10:21 AM
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I'm normally against any sort of crab in the bucket tactics, but it seems that these carved out exemptions are the norm now and something needs to change.

I'd like to see a ballot initiative for all exemptions to be removed from gun laws.
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Before: REINHARDT, W. FLETCHER, and OWENS, Circuit Judges

I think we know how this one is turning out.
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Carter, Clinton, Obama; respectively.

Are you trying to say, Mr. Wolfwood, that the unbiased judiciary is partisan The cynic in me says upheld on appeal, petition for enbanc granted, upheld on en banc, petition for cert denied.

I'd buy a hat, wear it, then eat it if this went down in our favor.
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Old 02-08-2018, 6:25 AM
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Oral Arguments were held yesterday here is the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmwyYM2-ZMU
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In the 1st 5 minutes, looks like a loss.

The judge on the left asked about peace officer's superior training... My answer to that is increase the training requirements for civilians. Most people I say that to then further reject on some new basis, it was never about training.
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Old 02-08-2018, 9:58 AM
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Superior Training - LOL.

So a couple a years ago I am hanging and a CHP Motor SGT roll up, he has 5 service pistols on his bike and as we a shoot the chit, he proceeds to strip, clean and reassemble. Nasty little springs on the S&W's. I asked why he is cleaning them, because his officers don't know how to, also policy required them be shoot after cleaning before being carried again. He did all that because his guys DID NOT KNOW HOW.
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Old 02-08-2018, 10:10 AM
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Yeah if it were me arguing I would have suggested that the legislature increase the civilian training requirements instead of an outright ban which showed what they really wanted.

Seems obvious that we will loose here.
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Uh, uh, uh....Good lord...uh...Uh...

Is this what an attorney is supposed to sound like in court? That is an attorney, correct?
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