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Old 02-06-2016, 10:22 PM
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Had my first IDPA introductory workshop today. Fun and learned a lot. Used my reloads and everything seemed all and good. Had a couple of misfeeds that I attributed to not seating the mag correctly after a couple of tactical reloads but apart from that, everything seemed to go well.

Finished the day and came home tonight. Started cleaning my gun and what do I find in the barrel?

A stuck bullet. A squib. Jammed in there. This really shook me up. Managed to get it out with a cleaning rod and a rubber mallet.

I am scared to think what would have happened if I had taken one more shot.

Not quite sure what to do now. I have about a thousand 9mm reloads. Break them all down?

I think I know what happened. I sometimes make dummy rounds without powder to test the bullet depth and somehow one of these may have gotten mixed in with the live rounds. I worry that there is another one of these out there.

Maybe I will just use them up during slow fire at the range and listen carefully for a weird sound. During an IDPA event, with the clock running, there is no way I would have heard it and no one else did either.

What puzzles me is that I finished the course of fire. So how did this one get lodged in there? Did I just get extremely lucky and this was the very last bullet? Weird. And freaky.


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Old 02-06-2016, 10:30 PM
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You got very lucky. You can weigh the rounds if they are all using the same brass. While this is not fool proof for catching any and all sqibs in your case it may work in that you are looking for an entirely empty round that you made. I am always on my toes when i am shooting reloads. My first squib from range reloads took the barrel off my snubby.

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Glad you are OK and the worst did not happen.

You need to be diligent about keeping your dummy rounds away from your real rounds. Mark them different or this will happen again. Better to be safe to shoot another day.
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Old 02-06-2016, 10:33 PM
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"I think I know what happened. I sometimes make dummy rounds without powder to test the bullet depth and somehow one of these may have..."

so are you saying you used live primers in these dummy rounds you made?

If so, I politely suggest that you don't do that again.
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Glad nothing bad came as a result. My advice would be, if you do use home made dummy round, do not prime the case.

Dropping the hammer on this will just result in a click.

Also, always mark your funny rounds so it's noticeably different than your loaded rounds.

Also it may be a good idea to just break down sunny rounds after measuring your seating depth.
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Old 02-06-2016, 10:36 PM
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"I think I know what happened. I sometimes make dummy rounds without powder to test the bullet depth and somehow one of these may have..."

so are you saying you used live primers in these dummy rounds you made?

If so, I politely suggest that you don't do that again.

Yes. Dumb. Lesson learned.


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Old 02-06-2016, 10:37 PM
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I think I was there with you today at the clinic. What gun were you shooting? I remember people by their guns rather than their names sometimes. Haha.

Glad the worst didn't happen with that squib...
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I think I was there with you today at the clinic. What gun were you shooting? I remember people by their guns rather than their names sometimes. Haha.

Glad the worst didn't happen with that squib...

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In that case if you learned from your mistake, thank you for telling us about it so that we can benefit as well.



Maybe you could jam a few of those soft yellow or orange foam air plugs into the cases of your dummy rounds (as well as additionally marking them with paint/ marker.) Not as good as professionally made snap caps but at least that firing pin would fall onto something soft.
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Since this is my first squib, here's a question. With a live primer and no powder, is it possible that you would only hear a click? Or will you always get some sort of weird sounding pop? I really think I only heard clicks today but with my ear protection and under stress from the clock, it's possible I missed it.

But can a squib occur and you would only hear a click?


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Since this is my first squib, here's a question. With a live primer and no powder, is it possible that you would only hear a click? Or will you always get some sort of weird sounding pop? I really think I only heard clicks today but with my ear protection and under stress from the clock, it's possible I missed it.

But can a squib occur and you would only hear a click?


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I had a squib on my Redhawk recently, it was a click instead of a pop and unburnt powder spilled from the cylinder. Definitely possible to just experience a click
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I had a squib on my Redhawk recently, it was a click instead of a pop and unburnt powder spilled from the cylinder. Definitely possible to just experience a click

Thanks. That is good to know. I am paranoid now. Going to shoot up all my reloads. If I hear a click, I'm going to break down the gun and look through the barrel. I like my guns and I like my fingers even more.


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You just got lucky that squib was your last shot. If you ended clearing that jam or was able to chamber another round it could've damage and/or hurt you.

My scariest squib was a 454 Casull on the day I decided to practice double action with full power loads. I leaned 2 lessons that day. Always use magnum primers with W296. When shooting at the range always stop and inspect the gun after a failure to fire especially big bore magnum revolvers.
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Weighing loaded 9/38/40/45 to try and sort out which ones have powder is usually an exercise in futility. The differences in bullet/case/powder weight rarely add up to enough to tell which ones are missing powder. You can try to find the 2 or 3 lightest rounds and pull those to check for powder. Sometimes you get lucky.
Otherwise pull them all or segregate and mark them "Practice only - watch for squibs"
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Did you get lucky? Hell yeah, you did! The safest way is to break down all your ammo and redo. Don't take a chance, not worth it.

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Had my first IDPA introductory workshop today. Fun and learned a lot. Used my reloads and everything seemed all and good. Had a couple of misfeeds that I attributed to not seating the mag correctly after a couple of tactical reloads but apart from that, everything seemed to go well.

Finished the day and came home tonight. Started cleaning my gun and what do I find in the barrel?

A stuck bullet. A squib. Jammed in there. This really shook me up. Managed to get it out with a cleaning rod and a rubber mallet.

I am scared to think what would have happened if I had taken one more shot.

Not quite sure what to do now. I have about a thousand 9mm reloads. Break them all down?

I think I know what happened. I sometimes make dummy rounds without powder to test the bullet depth and somehow one of these may have gotten mixed in with the live rounds. I worry that there is another one of these out there.

Maybe I will just use them up during slow fire at the range and listen carefully for a weird sound. During an IDPA event, with the clock running, there is no way I would have heard it and no one else did either.

What puzzles me is that I finished the course of fire. So how did this one get lodged in there? Did I just get extremely lucky and this was the very last bullet? Weird. And freaky.


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Old 02-07-2016, 6:48 AM
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Very new to reloading myself. Educating myself by reading and talking to a lot of guys locally. I have also made a few powderless rounds to measure the OAL, and they are separated from live rounds.

Until JustEd said it, I never thought of it, but I don't need primers in those rounds. That's knowledge I will take with me in the future.

I did buy the little hammer to remove the projectile, just haven't gotten around to it yet.
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Did you check the barrel?
Is there a ring inside it?
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Had my first IDPA introductory workshop today. Fun and learned a lot. Used my reloads and everything seemed all and good. Had a couple of misfeeds that I attributed to not seating the mag correctly after a couple of tactical reloads but apart from that, everything seemed to go well.

Finished the day and came home tonight. Started cleaning my gun and what do I find in the barrel?

A stuck bullet. A squib
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How did everything seem to go well???
You pulled the trigger and it went "Poooff", instead of "Bang" !!

Didn't you notice (at the range) that your last shot was a dud??

That part is the scariest to me. Don't worry about the rest of the ammo. squibs are easy to clear if you detect them after pulling the trigger.
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You can use dummies for dry fire and reload practice, and for checking function.
So they have applications outside the reloading area.
Here are some more ideas:
Make dummies in nickle cases if you typically shoot brass--or vice versa.
Get some colored Sharpies and ink your dummy rounds.
Tiger stripes, various patterns, whatever.
Never prime dummy rounds.
Keep them in special containers-cigar box, girlfriend's discarded makeup bag, discarded girlfriend's makeup bag--just make sure it's somewhere separate from live rounds.
Always keep them in that place, nowhere else.
Keep the box away from areas where you keep live rounds, another room if possible.
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There are two people that follow you as you're shooting, a range officer and the person holding the timer. You are all (hopefully) monitoring safety as you're shooting but I'd say it's primarily your responsibility. Even if you don't hear it, you can feel the difference. I've seen the RO and/or the timer save a couple of shooters. When the pistol went Pop instead of Boom they yelled STOP and the shooter was able to safely clear the lodged bullet and go back to shooting.
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Did you check the barrel?

Is there a ring inside it?

No, no ring in it. Barrel looks uniform and normal.

What does a ring signify? Barrel is toast?

Was worried about scratching or dinging the barrel when removing the squib. Tried to tap it out from breech to muzzle but it was stuck and right at the beginning of the breech end so went in from the muzzle side. Hated to do it and was careful about the crown. A couple of light taps it it popped right out.

Ok, another question. In case of a kaboom, would the squib destroy just the barrel or could it take the slide and frame as well?


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I had a squib also.



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Squibs will not cycle the gun.

Squibs in semi-autos are not a problem. They won't extract, eject, and feed a new cartridge.

Squib in a revolver are a different story.
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I had a squib also.



I remember clearing a squib like that from a customer's gun. The owner of the revolver tried to pull it out with pliers then heating it up. It was a mess that needed the barrel recrowned for he tried to punch the bullet to the rear and nicked the crown in several places.
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lol that made me smile, too. How many people just up and admit things like that?



A ring/bulge in the barrel usually means it's done. I have read of folks continuing to use light loads with cast bullets in a minimally bulged barrels, but I don't think I'd want to.

It's interesting that you didn't realize the last round didn't fire, which should cause a shooter to stop and see what's wrong. Since a primer-only round doesn't cycle the slide, there's no chance of firing off a round behind it unless you charge the gun again. This is why you're supposed to observe the ejected round when clearing a dud: If it's a complete round, drive on, but if it's an empty case, then you need to stop and check for a stuck bullet. In a revolver, the bullet will tend to stop at the forcing cone, nicely locking up the gun and leaving you unable to unload any remaining live rounds, which adds a little spice to pounding out the stuck bullet.

I remember reading about some manufacturer's tests where they put serious threaded plugs in auto barrels just to test for failure, but I don't recall who did the tests. IIRC on some guns the slides bulged, some were undamaged, but none of them sent the slide flying back towards the shooter like in Sin City.
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Maybe I will just use them up during slow fire at the range and listen carefully for a weird sound. During an IDPA event, with the clock running, there is no way I would have heard it and no one else did either.
I've done some IDPA and seen some squibs happen. they always got caught before the next round went off. you'd hear a couple guys yelling "SQUIB!!".

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I had a squib also.



I also had a friend do that with a GP100. but he didn't realize it squibed and continued to shoot it. he even reloaded and continued to shoot until the the entire 6" barrel was full of bullets and the last bullet shot couldn't completely leave the cylinder and bridged the gap between the cylinder and forcing cone. it wasn't until he couldn't rotate the cylinder that he asked for help.

I think 8 projectiles were removed from the barrel

crazy thing is that the revolver took it like a champ. no barrel rings and it still shoots good.
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Stuff happens that is why I suggest instead of buying 10 different guns buy the same and spare parts and you will be in good shape.
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As a IDPA Primary Safety Officer (PSO) this one of the thing we always look out for are squibs, if the gun did not sound right we stop the person and check the gun for a squib.
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Any experienced reloader or shooter is gonna know a squib load. I had one before and knew right away turned out I let my Dillion sit for a while and had probs with powder dropper luckily I load all rounds from batch into one container and had one no biggie clear barrel then few rounds later another. Was gonna toss them all out but my uncle wanted to fire his so we shot the batch had 6 more out of the remaining 90. Shot them out slowly but pretty obvious when slide doesn't cycle.
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I've done some IDPA and seen some squibs happen. they always got caught before the next round went off. you'd hear a couple guys yelling "SQUIB!!".



I also had a friend do that with a GP100. but he didn't realize it squibed and continued to shoot it. he even reloaded and continued to shoot until the the entire 6" barrel was full of bullets and the last bullet shot couldn't completely leave the cylinder and bridged the gap between the cylinder and forcing cone. it wasn't until he couldn't rotate the cylinder that he asked for help.

I think 8 projectiles were removed from the barrel

crazy thing is that the revolver took it like a champ. no barrel rings and it still shoots good.
Wow. Guess that speaks volumes about Ruger revolvers. Was he shooting 38 or 357 at the time?
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Wow, you dodged a bullet there!

Glad you didn't get injured.

Please stop loading dummy rounds with a live primer, and I would put a mark on the dummy rounds.


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So close to making it out....

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I shot steel with a revolver for a couple of years and it's hard to stop right after the squib load when the steel targets are big and you're going for that savage run.
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I had a Glock 26 that squibed twice in the same week, then blew up in my hand 2 weeks later. Then a month later a Glock 22 blew up in my hand. Both with factory ammo, but the squib in the picture is from LAX ammo... When the g26 did this I should have taken a hint, it was during a private advanced training session with covered 6 at Angeles. Cut my training session in half...


Idk of I just have really bad luck or Glock had a small period of bad quality control, but when the g22 blew up in my hand and ripped it open, it turned me off from glocks and poly guns in general. I had a cz 75 that had a split case that ruptured the baarrel. I just had to replace most of the parts and smooth up the slide rails and fit a new barrel, but the gun worked like it did on day one. Sold it to a guy who actually knew about the ordeal. He said it was a selling point for him haha.

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With 3 decades of reloading I've had squibs and blown primers with reloads due to over pressure. I've had brass split by the case mouth and recently had 223 loads that had partial case mouth fragmenting. Knocking on wood, I haven't had a gun blow up on me.

You either have the worst luck or you shoot gazillion rounds increasing your chance to catch a bad factory round.

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I had a Glock 26 that squibed twice in the same week, then blew up in my hand 2 weeks later. Then a month later a Glock 22 blew up in my hand. Both with factory ammo, but the squib in the picture is from LAX ammo... When the g26 did this I should have taken a hint, it was during a private advanced training session with covered 6 at Angeles. Cut my training session in half...


Idk of I just have really bad luck or Glock had a small period of bad quality control, but when the g22 blew up in my hand and ripped it open, it turned me off from glocks and poly guns in general. I had a cz 75 that had a split case that ruptured the baarrel. I just had to replace most of the parts and smooth up the slide rails and fit a new barrel, but the gun worked like it did on day one. Sold it to a guy who actually knew about the ordeal. He said it was a selling point for him haha.
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I've done some IDPA and seen some squibs happen. they always got caught before the next round went off. you'd hear a couple guys yelling "SQUIB!!".



I also had a friend do that with a GP100. but he didn't realize it squibed and continued to shoot it. he even reloaded and continued to shoot until the the entire 6" barrel was full of bullets and the last bullet shot couldn't completely leave the cylinder and bridged the gap between the cylinder and forcing cone. it wasn't until he couldn't rotate the cylinder that he asked for help.

I think 8 projectiles were removed from the barrel

crazy thing is that the revolver took it like a champ. no barrel rings and it still shoots good.
Holy smokes that's a crazy story


And OP, glad it worked out in your favor.
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When I make my own dummy rounds I drill a hole through the case sideways, makes them easily recognizable, no paint to wear off. Can also put a few drops is epoxy in the hole then stand on its nose to prevent setbacks
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