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Old 08-16-2008, 4:27 PM
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*** anyone that has purchased the 20rd mags from me to perform this conversion,
If you do not want to do the epoxy fix you can send me your current follower and I will replace it with the 30rd version.
or
You can send me the mag and I will do the epoxy fix and return
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If you do not like these options you can return them to me for a refund. Even if you have cut down the magazine, as long as the cut has been made per the instructions. If you cut them wrong I am sorry.
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Customer wanted to know if I could make up some 10rd PMags.
Its actually pretty straight forward.

Start with a 20rd PMag, a razor saw, an exacto knife, and some sand paper.
You will also need a 30rd follower, or a piece of expended 9mm brass or some 2part epoxy and masking tape.

The magazine body has stiffeners molded into it that run pretty much parrallel to the mag base plate.

Remove the base plate, spring and follower.
Using the razor saw, cut just below the top most stiffener.






If you compare the lip that the base plate attaches to with the stiffener you will see the lip is thinner. Use the sand paper on a hard flat surface, sand the base of the mag body until the stiffener is thin enough to slid the base plate on.
The spring bottom plate locks the base plate in place. There is a small tab on the end of this that fits into a notch in the base of the mag body. I used the exacto knife to cut out this notch.

There are three options on the follower:
1. Take the 30rd follower and cut both the front and rear anti-tilt legs to the exact same length as the 20rd follower leg. .885"




2. Take the 20rd follower and glue a 9mm case into the spring support.


3. Take the 20rd follower and add some epoxy resin into the space between the spring support and anti-tilt leg


Reassemble the mag.

It holds exactly 10 rounds, no more. No modifications to the spring need to be made.
The entire conversion took about 10 minutes.
The mag fits perfectly into the mag well.
No feeding problems at all. Fired a total of 50rds from this one mag yesterday when I was test firing weapons.
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I could not place all the photos in one thread. Please see post 90
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Nice to see someone's 'How-To'. I always wondered how the lips for the base plate slid on.
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There is a post on ARF that talked about cutting down a 30rd. It ended up as a 12 rounder. I figured I would try the 20s. Figured the straight body would help.

I am surprised, 1st try and its a 10rd.

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nice. Did you cut the spring any? Or just kept it the 20 length?
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Didn't have to do anything to the spring.
And the pressure isn't too tight. basically its just like 20rds in the 20.
Was not any harder to load, no issues shooting.
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Thats a cool little trick. Thanks.
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Are you going to sell these on your website?
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Are you going to sell these on your website?
I sell 20rd PMags for 13.50 plus shipping.
If they are getting sent to CA I totally disassemble them.

I guess I could sell them already converted. Would ask 20$ for them
People would need to understand that this totally violates the Magpul warranty.
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Thanks pete...Just what i was wanting to do i'll buy some 20's from you
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Thats awesome I might have to buy a few of those
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I sell 20rd PMags for 13.50 plus shipping.
If they are getting sent to CA I totally disassemble them.

I guess I could sell them already converted. Would ask 20$ for them
People would need to understand that this totally violates the Magpul warranty.
I'd buy. It would be easier to explain a BB build or in general if you have a 10 rounder and not a 10/20. I don't care about the Magpul warranty on a 20 dollar item. Thanks.
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can we get the actual measurements of how long the belly and spine of the mag body are?
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You mean the front and back of the mag? After the cut? With the baseplate on or off?

Not sure why?

The ones I made have already been packed up for shipping I will see if I have another 20. Might be the end of the week though, thats when the next are on the way.

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yeah i mean the front and back of the mag, after the cut, for the proper 10 round size without the base plate. prefereably a picture with the measuring device

just want the full "how to do this." without that measurement i don't feel i know how to do it after reading this thread.
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yeah i mean the front and back of the mag, after the cut, for the proper 10 round size without the base plate. prefereably a picture with the measuring device

just want the full "how to do this." without that measurement i don't feel i know how to do it after reading this thread.
No measuring is required because you're cutting across a self-indexed ridge of the mag.

This picture of an uncut 20rd PMag might help (red line shows the cut):


compare it to where he cuts:
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mmm ic. so did magpul do that on purpose?

without that ridge would the baseplate go on? no right?

i wonder if i should cut down my 10/30s
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I sell 20rd PMags for 13.50 plus shipping.
If they are getting sent to CA I totally disassemble them.

I guess I could sell them already converted. Would ask 20$ for them
People would need to understand that this totally violates the Magpul warranty.

Got a link to your site? I'd like to order some Pmag 20, disassembled of course...would like to make my own.

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mmm ic. so did magpul do that on purpose?

without that ridge would the baseplate go on? no right?

i wonder if i should cut down my 10/30s
Thanks for the photo UCLA.

I do not believe Magpul did this on purpose.

Correct. The ridge is formed through sanding into the lip that the base plate attaches to. If you cut it else where, no ridge, no lip.

A cut down 30rd mag turns into a 12rd.
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Got a link to your site? I'd like to order some Pmag 20, disassembled of course...would like to make my own.

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Your site is not pulling up for me.. May be my browser..
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ahahaha....coo, thanks, didn't even see the printed site on your photos...lol.

I went to the site, but no where to order? Will be ordering some in the future, not now, but would like to know how. Thanks in advance.

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Thanks for the photo UCLA.

I do not believe Magpul did this on purpose.

Correct. The ridge is formed through sanding into the lip that the base plate attaches to. If you cut it else where, no ridge, no lip.

A cut down 30rd mag turns into a 12rd.
mmm great info.

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ahahaha....coo, thanks, didn't even see the printed site on your photos...lol.

I went to the site, but no where to order? Will be ordering some in the future, not now, but would like to know how. Thanks in advance.

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I used a bone saw, and the sidewalk(sandpaper).....Easy, thanks for the how to!
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Anyone know how to make 10/20 and 10/30 PMAGS? i don't mean cut them down to make 10 rounders...i'd like to keep the '20' and '30' round look.

I purchased one from i think it was CWS at the SJ gun show recently...works great, it feels solid and it fits in the magwell much more firmly than the other mags i've tried.

However, i bought it for, i think 25-35 bucks...can't remember...that is just a ridiculous price. The guy at the stand told me that they just put in a block or something to stop the spring/follower to go beyond 10 rnds.

Anyone got pix and step by step instructions? dimensions of the block...etc...
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I gave this a go. I had the floorplate pop off due to the lip being too thick so I sanded a bit more and it is now solid. Thanks for the "how to".
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Are you sanding the bottom of the mag because the new ridge is too thick vertically or does the new ridge stick too far out from the body of the mag.
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Are you sanding the bottom of the mag because the new ridge is too thick vertically or does the new ridge stick too far out from the body of the mag.
vertical height was too thick, hampers the edge of the floorplate from "catching". I also filed a bit of a deeper groove around the top of the edge so the lip of the floorplate would catch a better. I originally decided to cut a bit wide, you can always take off but adding is difficult.
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Ah I see these 2 widths need to match.

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I also learned a good lesson making a 10/20 pmag;

I epoxied 2 metal rods in the front channels, limiting the follower from dropping down. I measured and cut flush with the bottom of the mag-oy vey-this did not allow for the bottom plate to recess enough to slide the floorplate cover on. You need to cut the dowels and recess at least 1/4 inch or more.

The cut off 10 pmag was easier by far.
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Ah I see these 2 widths need to match.

Thanks for posting the photo, explains it perfectly
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Anyone know how to make 10/20 and 10/30 PMAGS? i don't mean cut them down to make 10 rounders...i'd like to keep the '20' and '30' round look.

I purchased one from i think it was CWS at the SJ gun show recently...works great, it feels solid and it fits in the magwell much more firmly than the other mags i've tried.

However, i bought it for, i think 25-35 bucks...can't remember...that is just a ridiculous price. The guy at the stand told me that they just put in a block or something to stop the spring/follower to go beyond 10 rnds.

Anyone got pix and step by step instructions? dimensions of the block...etc...
Does the internal block need to be permanantly installed?
I am thinking about a glued and pinned block.
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Does the internal block need to be permanantly installed?
I am thinking about a glued and pinned block.
That would be sufficient to be considered "permanent," as there's no real definition and, as we all know, there's nothing that's permanent.

Epoxy + rivet has been an accepted method of permanence.
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