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Old 07-13-2008, 10:52 PM
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I went to the store to pick up some 9mm ammo today and I asked the clerk for some 9mm. She responded, "which 9mm type do I need, a 9mm luger or 9mm Parabellum?"

I was under the impression that all 9mm including: 9X19mm, 9mm luger, and 9mm parabellum were the same round? Different manufactures call them differently? Is there any difference between the round?
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Old 07-13-2008, 10:58 PM
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9mm in europe is usa.380. there is :
9X18
9X21
9X23

hey there is even 9X39!

what's your chamber? ( what's on the side of your firearm?)
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Old 07-13-2008, 11:01 PM
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9mm in europe is usa.380. there is :
9X18
9X21
9X23

hey there is even 9X39!

what's your chamber? ( what's on the side of your firearm?)
It's a SIG P225 chambered for 9mm.
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Old 07-13-2008, 11:01 PM
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9 luger, parabellum and 9X19 are synonyms for the same 9milimiter round. The most common in USA.
The clerk just didn't know. It reminds me when i asked cute blond at cow palace gun show ( she was behind the biggest ammo vendor of the show ). I asked her about the core of the bullet and she just smiled and looked for a man employee to answer that. Neddles to say i was looking for a male clerk simultaniously.

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Old 07-13-2008, 11:12 PM
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9 luger, parabellum and 9X19 are synonyms for the same 9milimiter round. The most common in USA.
The clerk just didn't know. It reminds me when i asked cute blond at cow palace gun show ( she was behind the biggest ammo vendor of the show ). I asked her about the core of the bullet and she just smiled and looked for a man employee to answer that. Neddles to say i was looking for a male clerk simultaniously.
Thanks for the clarification.
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Old 07-13-2008, 11:23 PM
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9mm in europe is usa.380.
9MM in Europe is 9MM in the US. 9MM Kurtz in Europe is .380 ACP in the US.

9x19, 9MM NATO, 9MM Luger, 9MM Parabellum are all the same round, just labeled differently by different manufacturers for who knows what reason (marketing in some cases; regional differences). Your Sig will consume and spit forth any such rounds.


What won't work for you (as if you needed to know):

9x17 (9MM Kurtz / .380 ACP) will not work in your Sig.

9x18(9MM Makarov) will also not work (at least not reliably or safely).

Those two are actually good to know, incase you come across an incompetent clerk.

9MM Major will not work.

That one is important to know, as it will fit into your magazines, it will fit into your chamber, and then it will blow up your barrel. However it is almost strictly a reloaded competition cartridge, so you'll likely never encounter it. Just don't pick up ammo @ gun shows / competitions without being sure what it is.

9x21 (9MM IMI / 9MM Largo), 9x23, and 9x39 also will not work. These won't fit in your gun anyway (lol @ 9x39).
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I like the 9x51 myself.
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the original name of the cartridge is 9 mm Parabellum, as the Parabellum Pistole (or P08) is the name of the gun designed by G. Luger and made by DWM and Mauser.

found a pic with case dimensions...

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9mm in europe is usa.380. there is :
9X18
9X21
9X23
the .380 ACP is also known as a 9x17 Browning or Short
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I went to the store to pick up some 9mm ammo today and I asked the clerk for some 9mm. She responded, "which 9mm type do I need, a 9mm luger or 9mm Parabellum?"
Next time, tell her "either will be just fine" and see what she says to you.
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There is 9x25 also, a wildcat built on a necked down 10mm. I have a lot of weird 9mm chambered firearms like 9mm Largo aka 9mm Bergmann.

.380acp has like a million names, 9mmshort, 9mmcorto,9mmkurz,9x17...

I once saw empty brass Fiocchi marked 9mm1934.

The Beretta 1934 .380acp pistol is very common in Italy.
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9MM in Europe is 9MM in the US. 9MM Kurtz in Europe is .380 ACP in the US.

9mm in Europe is .380 in US


9x21 (9MM IMI / 9MM Largo), 9x23, and 9x39 also will not work. These won't fit in your gun anyway (lol @ 9x39).[/QUOTE]

No kidding...duh slick

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9mm in Europe is .380 in US
rere?
9mm in Europe can mean any number of rounds. 9mmK is Corto is Kurtz is 9mmx17 and when you bring it over to America it magically becomes the .380ACP.
As a matter of fact it won't even chamber in a 9x19, 9mm Parabellum or 9mm Luger pistole.
Anyone else notice how ze Germanz are so over their past that they NEVER put Parabellum (Prepare for WAR) or Luger on any of their modern offerings? It's HK 9x19, SIG 9x19, Walther 9x19.
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Here you go, this will either clear it all up or thoroughly muddy muddy it up as far as 9mm goes.

http://members.shaw.ca/cstein0/revolver.htm


9mm data is in the third section

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Old 07-16-2008, 12:06 AM
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Don't forget 9mm Ultra, kind of like a 9x18 Makarov but with a .355 diameter as opposed to .363
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I went to the store to pick up some 9mm ammo today and I asked the clerk for some 9mm. She responded, "which 9mm type do I need, a 9mm luger or 9mm Parabellum?"

I was under the impression that all 9mm including: 9X19mm, 9mm luger, and 9mm parabellum were the same round? Different manufactures call them differently? Is there any difference between the round?
The store clerk is an idiot.

9mm Luger, 9mm Parabellum, and 9x19mm are all the same. Different companies mark them different ways.
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Old 07-16-2008, 3:15 PM
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anybody remember that weird revolver that was supposed to take 380acp 9mm .38spl .357 mag

i think it was called medusa?
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Yes the Medusa. I really wanted one at one time. They also offered to convert Ruger Blackhawk .357mag cylinders to do this. IIRC ATF made them make a unique type of rifling for their revolver barrels. Colt made a prototype like this also I think.
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9mm in Europe is .380 in US


9x21 (9MM IMI / 9MM Largo), 9x23, and 9x39 also will not work. These won't fit in your gun anyway (lol @ 9x39).



Having lived in Europe (UK) most of my life and spending several years involved in the shooting sports where I shot both 9mm handguns and Sterling SMGs, I can truthfully say I have only ever known the 9x19mm round refered to as 9mm Luger, 9mm Parabullum, or just 9 mil.

.380 ACP is called either .380, 9mm Short, or 9mm Kurz.

Before the 1998 ban, I knew plenty of people who owned 9x19mm pistols (easily the most popular handgun caliber), the .380 was not a popular round at all, unless you were into Walther PPKs.
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