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Old 05-04-2012, 4:24 AM
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I dont know why people call AR pistol is not enough defensive. Russian police, OMON carring AKS-74U, which is basically AK pistol.
Do people really say that? I suppose those people would have to say a 1911, Glock, or pretty much any handgun isn't enough defense either
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Trying out the HK grip on my setup this weekend. I thought it would feel similar to my HK USP, but it doesn't. Not sure if I like it over the Hogue grip I had on there before. We'll see.

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Got all my AR pistol part in a few days ago.



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Pacrim, appreciate your posts. I'm likely copying your build if you dont mind. Mega Lower and Rainier Arms Match Pistol Upper (minus barrel shortening).

Question, your AR pistol has posted with an Aimpoint Comp M4 and Eotech XPS? Which do you prefer on the AR pistol platform? I'm leaning towards an Aimpoint Micro to obtain lowest profile possible. Eotech and CompM4 appear to sit too high for comfort but this maybe just perspective from photos. I have not been able to try in person. Thanks for any input!


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That's clean. Very nice
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My AR Pistol 308 POF-USA

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My AR Pistol 308 POF-USA

no I'm jell-us!
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but I want a .308 pistol & a 50BMG since we can't have the rifles
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Chevy, how does it shoot?
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Chevy, how does it shoot?
It shoots great but very loud. Its the loudest think I have ever shot. Surprisingly the recoil isnt much more than that of a AR15 rifle. Think it has to do alot with the short stroke gas piston.
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no I'm jell-us!
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but I want a .308 pistol & a 50BMG since we can't have the rifles
Build a 308 one or you could build a 300 blackout one
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then why wouldn't this be illegal? I'm quite confused.

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and here it is completed.





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then why wouldn't this be illegal? I'm quite confused.
afg has a letter from the FEDs stating not a VFG
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afg has a letter from the FEDs stating not a VFG
Copy that. Removing all the fun stuff now
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Copy that. Removing all the fun stuff now
don't shoot the mesenger
some on here say the afg is taking a chance in calif too
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breathing in calif is taking a chance too, might be a law against it too
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don't shoot the mesenger
some on here say the afg is taking a chance in calif too
Thanks, really, for keeping a fellow calgunner out of jail
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Old 07-08-2012, 10:26 AM
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don't shoot the mesenger
some on here say the afg is taking a chance in calif too
only when on a non-maglocked gun when they AFG could be considered an evil feature.

But on a maglocked pistol or rifle, there should be no issue using an AFG.
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only when on a non-maglocked gun when they AFG could be considered an evil feature.

But on a maglocked pistol or rifle, there should be no issue using an AFG.
I agree
but some say no eve on maglocked ar15 pistol
all ar15 pistols have to be maglocked in calif
magwell outside pistol grip
, but I use the AFG on them
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I agree
but some say no eve on maglocked ar15 pistol
and those people are basically idiots that can't read CA law. if the pistol has a maglock, it can have all the evil features, even VFGs, without violating CA law. IT doesn't matter if CA considers the AFG to be a pistol evil feature if it has a maglock.

And the Feds, on multiple occasions, have said that an AFG on a AR pistol doesn't turn it into an AOW.




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all ar15 pistols have to be maglocked in calif
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, but I use the AFG on them
right, the AFG is just as evil in cA than the "magazine outside the pistol grip". With the maglock, both are legal.
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Totally confused now.

So, the justification for legally having a angled foregrip or the vertical foregrip is that there is a maglock on the pistol? Without a maglock it's illegal?
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consult the flowchart, http://www.calguns.net/caawid/hgflowchart.pdf

with a maglock, you can have all the evil features you want on the pistol.

without a maglock, you can't have a any evil features on a semi-automatic pistol. The CA evil feature is listed as "second handgrip" which would include VFG, but may or may not include AFG. So, for a featureless firearm, it is not recommended that you use an AFG since we do not know exactly what CA would catagorize the AFG as. But with a maglock, it doesn't matter what CA thinks the AFG is, since evil features are allowed.
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Lower:QD 80% lower, milled out and manufactured by myself.

LPK: JD machine lower parts kit with custom trigger job by yours truly to get a 3.8lb trigger pull.

Mag lock installed so it is legal. Built originally as a single shot exemption with 0 round sled.

Upper: Vytamen C Tactical upper, 10.5" stainless steel barrel with a permanent Installed Vytamen C Tactical Stainless steel comp. MBUS front sight in black.

Paint: Duracoated by yours truely in Magpul OD Green on the lower and forearm only.

Pistol Buffer Tube: Spikes Pistol buffer tube, spring, and buffer.

For those of you who question the legality of this weapon, please reffer to Franklin Armory's XO-26. My home built weapon is over 26" classifying it as not a pistol and I don't have the capability to install a stock on it do it is not possible to be considered a rifle. Due to the length it can not be concealed on the body so the ATF has classified these type of weapons as having the ability to legally have a foregrip.





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consult the flowchart, http://www.calguns.net/caawid/hgflowchart.pdf

with a maglock, you can have all the evil features you want on the pistol.

without a maglock, you can't have a any evil features on a semi-automatic pistol. The CA evil feature is listed as "second handgrip" which would include VFG, but may or may not include AFG. So, for a featureless firearm, it is not recommended that you use an AFG since we do not know exactly what CA would catagorize the AFG as. But with a maglock, it doesn't matter what CA thinks the AFG is, since evil features are allowed.
I thought you had to have an OAL of 26" in order to have a forward grip?
That length cannot be had with a pistol (carbine length) tube and 7.5" barrel.

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When I think of an AR pistol I think they should be like this one without the Buffer tube. Is there a reason why the majority of pistol AR have a tube. I want to start building one but not sure which route to go. I think the SIG P556 Swat just looks so sexy.

http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProdu...p556-swat.aspx

What are the advantages of going tubeless to having a tube?

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When I think of an AR pistol I think they should be like this one without the Buffer tube.
that is probably a .22lr AR pistol, not a centerfire versiion.

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Is there a reason why the majority of pistol AR have a tube.
yes, because on a standard AR pistol, it needs to have a tube for the buffer and spring to sit in.


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I want to start building one but not sure which route to go. I think the SIG P556 Swat just looks so sexy.
different mechanical desing that doesn't need a buffer tube. The recoil assembly is located elsewhere.

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What are the advantages of going tubeless to having a tube?
advantages, shorter.
disadvantages, more $$$, can't cheekweld for stability, less options for suppliers, etc.
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Lower:QD 80% lower, milled out and manufactured by myself.

LPK: JD machine lower parts kit with custom trigger job by yours truly to get a 3.8lb trigger pull.

Mag lock installed so it is legal. Built originally as a single shot exemption with 0 round sled.

Upper: Vytamen C Tactical upper, 10.5" stainless steel barrel with a permanent Installed Vytamen C Tactical Stainless steel comp. MBUS front sight in black.

Paint: Duracoated by yours truely in Magpul OD Green on the lower and forearm only.

Pistol Buffer Tube: Spikes Pistol buffer tube, spring, and buffer.

For those of you who question the legality of this weapon, please reffer to Franklin Armory's XO-26. My home built weapon is over 26" classifying it as not a pistol and I don't have the capability to install a stock on it do it is not possible to be considered a rifle. Due to the length it can not be concealed on the body so the ATF has classified these type of weapons as having the ability to legally have a foregrip.






so ar pistol can have vertical grip if OAL is greater than 26inch ?
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so ar pistol can have vertical grip if OAL is greater than 26inch ?
If the weapon is over 26" long then the ATF doesn't consider it a pistol. Did you read the letter from the ATF to Franklin Armory? What's ok for one is ok for all.

Some say California looks at it differently but they sell the XO-26 in CA.
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Doc.. So mine is 29" (pic above).. I am not a pistol anymore?
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Doc.. So mine is 29" (pic above).. I am not a pistol anymore?
Nnot legal advise but my take on the law and this letter is you are correct. Roxane is no longer a pistol.

http://www.franklinarmory.com/XO-26_Letter__c_.pdf
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I went full Monty and made the 9mm version.
Had to convert old colt mags to 10rd (I've got like 3 of the little CA legal 10 Rounders but they FTF on the last rd).
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Picked one up a bit ago in a trade. Really cool, and fun to shoot. My friends always want to shoot it instead of my other carbines etc, but I dont really have any use for it so its for sale/trade if anyone is interested.








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