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Old 07-10-2008, 8:12 PM
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"Lawyer asked to meet in chambers, and he agreed. DA, Judge, and my Lawyer met for about 5 minutes. Came back out, Judge called recess for lunch and to be back in 1.5 hours. Lawyer said if I had any money. I said for what, I paid you. He said not for me, for DA and Judge What!
Said I needed 5k cash, and he would drop charges... Well, we hit the bank...

Came back, they met in chambers again. 3k to Judge, 2K to DA, charges dropped/ reduced to disturbing the peace ticket (infraction), pay fee to victims restitution fund, and 'volentary forefiture of firearm'!!! (Here ya go judge) Either that, or take it to trial $$$$$$ and fight the original 6 counts."



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Old 07-10-2008, 8:25 PM
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Wtf over?
I dont know. Thats what it took, thats what I did. BS i know, but I felt cornered. What can i do. If fought it, trial and all, it would have costed me some bux with no real guarantees.
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Lawyer said if I had any money. I said for what, I paid you. He said not for me, for DA and Judge What!
Said I needed 5k cash, and he would drop charges... Well, we hit the bank...
Came back, they met in chambers again. 3k to Judge, 2K to DA, charges dropped/ reduced to disturbing the peace ticket (infraction), pay fee to victims restitution fund, and 'volentary forefiture of firearm'!!! (Here ya go judge) Either that, or take it to trial $$$$$$ and fight the original 6 counts.
WTF?
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You paid $5000 in bribes to a sitting judge and the DA? And your lawyer witnessed this?

Here in CA?

Call the State Bar of California and the FBI. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. Your attorney better act as a witness.

Next time, STFU and get counsel right away. You waived your rights by consenting to the search.

You're a senior member and have a lot of posts, but I find this entire thing to be too incredible to believe.
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What the hell. Sounds like you lived through a nightmare. Falsifying police reports and bribery (?).
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You're a senior member and have a lot of posts, but I find this entire thing to be too incredible to believe.
I agree, the story seems so unreal. It's like a script from a movie or something. They freaking played you man....
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Sorry for your losses, happy for the priceless items. Time to follow-up. If I'm not mistaken judges and DA'a have to re-elected. I would think this might make a great story for the local TV, and the papers.

This isn't south of the border. Corruption should not be tolerated.

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I dont think he means he bribed the judged, It sounds like the 5k was some kinda fine to me. Story sounds very believable to me.

Remember that line in Training Day, "We the police, we can do whatever the f--- we want"

It's pretty much true.. they're writing the report, they're the ones stating the facts of the incident. It's your word against "5 proven decorated officers" .. That's why I err on the side of caution when it comes to dealing with LE. If they want, they all but ruin you on trumped up charges or outright lies.
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I also think your Attorney got a cut since he is friends with the DA and Judge. How can they charge you with drunk driving if they didn't do any testing? You should've hired Chuck Michel.
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By the way... you never told us why you were stopped by half of the police in Southern California without so much as rolling through a stop sign. Why did they initiate the felony stop to begin with?

If this is in any way true... I'd be looking for a better lawyer than the one you had, file suit for malpractice, and start seriously going after both the DA and that judge with a civil suit and a criminal investigation.
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Sounds like a horrible situation to me, I can understand your cooperation under duress. I agree with Sobriquet, call the state bar, sounds like bribes as you describe it.
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Ofcourse... this type of shiet doesnt happen
Ever heard of Mike Corona... the *ex* OC Sheriff and what he's going thru? GOOGLE my friend. Dont be so naieve (sp)
Wait.. so you actually had to pay 5k in bribes that went into the pocket of the DA and Judge?

Still believable.. reminds me again of Training Day, "You wanna go home or you wanna go to jail?"
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I dont think he means he bribed the judged, It sounds like the 5k was some kinda fine to me. Story sounds very believable to me.

Remember that line in Training Day, "We the police, we can do whatever the f--- we want"

It's pretty much true.. they're writing the report, they're the ones stating the facts of the incident. It's your word against "5 proven decorated officers" .. That's why I err on the side of caution when it comes to dealing with LE. If they want, they all but ruin you on trumped up charges or outright lies.
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Ofcourse... this type of shiet doesnt happen
Ever heard of Mike Corona... the *ex* OC Sheriff and what he's going thru? GOOGLE my friend. Dont be so naieve (sp)
It doesn't happen when you properly exercise your rights and then secure competent counsel. Even if the judge was corrupt, there's a thing called appeal. I've never heard of a story where more incorrect choices were made.

I'm sorry... but until we see some sort of documentation or vouching by some Calgun people.. I'm calling BS.

If this weren't BS, you should be sitting in a federal building or another attorney's office right now.
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Wait.. so you actually had to pay 5k in bribes that went into the pocket of the DA and Judge?

Still believable.. reminds me again of Training Day, "You wanna go home or you wanna go to jail?"
5K cash homie!
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If this is true (and I do have some doubts), it sure as hell means you've committed a crime too - bribing public officials. Sounds like your lawyer was a coconspirator and thus witness too - in addition to possible malpractice issues (why'd he countenance a bribe, when it was a defendable case - unless there's more than you're telling us on your side?)

Given who reads these forums, this could end up snowballing - you should talk to a real lawyer since your arse could end up in a very complex situation (to put it mildly).

If you told me this involved contract LE in areas around Cudahy, I might believe it - but LA/DA & LA judge, highly unlikely.

Remember, if a judge or DA wants to make more money, and has any talent at all, he can just go into private practice.
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Wait.. so you actually had to pay 5k in bribes that went into the pocket of the DA and Judge?

Still believable.. reminds me again of Training Day, "You wanna go home or you wanna go to jail?"
This isn't the movies - nor is this a time for bravado. If the man seriously was just coerced into paying bribes by a sitting judge and DA, this is a very serious matter. Much more so than any of the relatively minor open-carry stops frequently discussed here.
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Sounds like a horrible situation to me, I can understand your cooperation under duress. I agree with Sobriquet, call the state bar, sounds like bribes as you describe it.
They were bribes! No if, ands or buts. It is what it is. I just cant afford the lengthy road of fighting it and missing work and paying lawyers. I took the cheaper route at the time, and I needed to save my clean record. I was applying for a job with DOD at the time. During this drama, I got a letter saying that I coudnt be hired at the time cuz of a hiring freeze.
Hmmm, my buddy got in without a prob. We applied at the same time, and he's WAYYYYYY stupider the I am
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Was this Mexico or the US? I mean, things are bad, but...wow. I don't know how to respond to this one... Why would they even stop you? Bribes? WTF?
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Complete BS
This is EXACTLY why it could have happened the way he says.
The first reaction anyone would have to a story like this is, "Complete BS!"
Lying cops, corrupt DA and Judge demanding bribes.. Who would even believe such a thing?

Maybe I've watched Training Day too many times
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I also think your Attorney got a cut since he is friends with the DA and Judge. How can they charge you with drunk driving if they didn't do any testing? You should've hired Chuck Michel.
They didnt charge me with drunk driving. We asked how come I wasnt given a sobriety check at the time if the report said I was drunk?... since I WAS driving. (I was SOBER 100%) They just didnt wanna hear it. Remember, this was all at my arraignment, not trial.
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It doesn't happen when you properly exercise your rights and then secure competent counsel. Even if the judge was corrupt, there's a thing called appeal. I've never heard of a story where more incorrect choices were made.

I'm sorry... but until we see some sort of documentation or vouching by some Calgun people.. I'm calling BS.

If this weren't BS, you should be sitting in a federal building or another attorney's office right now.
lol... come on bro. I wanted to get rid of them just as fast as they wanted to ring me out. Call what you want. I wont lose sleep tonight if you dont believe it.
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This is EXACTLY why it could have happened the way he says.
The first reaction anyone would have to a story like this is, "Complete BS!"
Lying cops, corrupt DA and Judge demanding bribes.. Who would even believe such a thing?

Maybe I've watched Training Day too many times
It's much harder to suspend disbelief in the real world.
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What was the court case number?
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lol... come on bro. I wanted to get rid of them just as fast as they wanted to ring me out. Call what you want. I wont lose sleep tonight if you dont believe it.
I'm glad to hear that - because I don't believe a word of it. Not without something more.

There is absolutely no way an honest citizen of the United States, having committed no crime, would pay $5,000 in bribes to a sitting judge and the DA without seeking SOME assistance after the fact from the federal government.

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Dude, if this is how it really went, you just freaking bent over and spread them cheeks wide open. Come on man, you should've known better than that.
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If this is true (and I do have some doubts), it sure as hell means you've committed a crime too - bribing public officials. Sounds like your lawyer was a coconspirator and thus witness too - in addition to possible malpractice issues (why'd he countenance a bribe, when it was a defendable case - unless there's more than you're telling us on your side?)

Given who reads these forums, this could end up snowballing - you should talk to a real lawyer since your arse could end up in a very complex situation (to put it mildly).

If you told me this involved contract LE in areas around Cudahy, I might believe it - but LA/DA & LA judge, highly unlikely.

Remember, if a judge or DA wants to make more money, and has any talent at all, he can just go into private practice.
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Ugh-

Everything that could go wrong, did.

Falsely arrested and charged for loaded weapon (12031) even when loaded magazines are not a 'firearm' and they were also not "attached" to the firearm. Insofar as I am aware, the subject was not a felon or a criminal gangmember at the time of the police contact- and therefore does not meet the definition of "loaded" as found in other sections of the penal code.

Then falsely convicted by a moron that cannot read or comprehend the English language in the pertinent code who has a vendetta against gun owners participating in otherwise lawful activity .

Then deprived of property without compensation in violation of the U.S. Constitution. Yes, the State owes you for taking your private property...

Then this is compounded by a payoff to keep you out of jail and your rights further violated.

Forgive me while I stifle the urge to hurl.
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Snowball away! See if you can get my DE back!
You know, if you had brought this to the forums attention when it was happening, assuming the timeline is inline with your membership here, the community would have rallied around the cause.

If you were otherwise innocent and there were no complicating issues, the "right people" could have done the job and probably gotten your firearm back.
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This is EXACTLY why it could have happened the way he says.
The first reaction anyone would have to a story like this is, "Complete BS!"
Lying cops, corrupt DA and Judge demanding bribes.. Who would even believe such a thing?

Maybe I've watched Training Day too many times
Remember that crooked Ortiz cop from LAPD? There was a ring of them. If its on the outside of courts, why not the inside?
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i wonder if this is true? I am not suprised over the BS charges they pressed but the last part seems a bit fishy. If its true it sounds like your attorney was looking for a plea bargin or bribe. So as a side question if a calgunner is arrested for a firearm related charge would it be wise to post it here to get support or advise to avoid being pushed into a corner by the oppressive legal system?
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You said this happened back in 2002 right?
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Training Day did happen in Oakland, called the "Rider's Case".
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to what gain would anyone have to fabricate such a story?
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Case # and city/ county it occurred in, Judges name, Attorneys name, officers names...

What happened to your passenger? was he cited?

This story STINKS to high heaven. If this is real, I'd be on the horn to Chuck Michaels before the next episode of Cops is over!

If it's legit, offer up some proof... thats not asking too much is it?
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You know, if you had brought this to the forums attention when it was happening, assuming the timeline is inline with your membership here, the community would have rallied around the cause.

If you were otherwise innocent and there were no complicating issues, the "right people" could have done the job and probably gotten your firearm back.
I wish I could have and I would have if someone was willing to put up the money and sponsore me in the meantime to pursue legal action. I just didnt have that kinda funds and to find a lawyer to run the whole way thru.... good luck. Some of you are reading what I wrote and say its BS. How the HELL do you think most lawyers will react when I come at them with this.
Yes, I lost my DE, money, and a little bit of pride. Nothing that cant be replaced.
I have made hundreds of thousands of dollars at work from 2002 to date, I got my little bit of lost pride back when I walked out a free man and dropped a G on my Benelli on the way home, and I now have another DE. I have had NO contact with the law since then and I dont plan on it... not for loaded magz either.
Some of you guys think that this doesnt happen! Corruption wouldnt even be an actual word if it didnt.
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