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Old 06-07-2015, 7:43 PM
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Default Self Inflicted GSW at Burro Canyon / Update: Diagram and AAR on Page 2 by Stan Lee

It's something none of us wants to see. While shooting today with Stan Lee of St. Crispian's Academy at Burro Canyon, a man, on the next range over from our group, accidentally shot himself.

Stan was providing instruction to our group under the canopy. All of a sudden, we heard a single shot. Then we heard, "I've shot myself. I've shot myself." We immediately ran over. We found the victim standing up, but with no visible wound.

Stan's law enforcement and military training immediately kicked in. We laid him down. Stan directed someone to elevate his legs, then quickly examined him, found the entry and exit wound, and applied the appropriate first-aid. Outstanding job Stan ! You provided the victim much needed and crucial help.

Lessons learned: Always have an IFAK or first aid kit available. Have first aid skills. Have an emergency plan to deal with any emergency situation.

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Old 06-07-2015, 8:02 PM
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Mr. I Shot Myself is lucky people nearby knew what to do in a crunch.

Good job............Hope Mr ISM is gonna recover.
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Old 06-07-2015, 8:04 PM
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where did he shoot himself. what was he doing
glad you guys were there to help him. hope he recovers
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I have seen that before. A guy reholstering and put a round in and out his leg. Which class company was next to y'all's?
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Old 06-07-2015, 8:21 PM
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Glad that guy is okay. Guns are dangerous. It's up to us to make them safe to handle.
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where did he shoot himself. what was he doing
glad you guys were there to help him. hope he recovers
Not sure how, but from what I could determine, he was using his IWB holster - placed behind his belt buckle. Shot himself in the abdomen. Bullet exited below his waistline. He was extremely lucky Stan was there.
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Old 06-07-2015, 8:47 PM
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Not sure how, but from what I could determine, he was using his IWB holster - placed behind his belt buckle. Shot himself in the abdomen. Bullet exited below his waistline. He was extremely lucky Stan was there.
Wow...sounds like he almost made a lot of peoples appendix carry nightmares come true.
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I have seen that before. A guy reholstering and put a round in and out his leg. Which class company was next to y'all's?
No leg wound. Straight down his abdomen. Out below his waistline. No idea who was running the class. CRSO came up as soon as victim's needs were addressed, and shut it down.
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What kind of pistol?
Not 100 % sure. As we approached the victim, someone in his group came up and took the pistol out of his hand.
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Ooo man ...
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We laid him down. Stan directed someone to elevate his legs, then quickly examined him, found the entry and exit wound, and applied the appropriate first-aid. Outstanding job Stan ! You provided the victim much needed and crucial help.

Lessons learned: Always have an IFAK or first aid kit available. Have first aid skills. Have an emergency plan to deal with any emergency situation.
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No leg wound. Straight down his abdomen. Out below his waistline. No idea who was running the class. CRSO came up as soon as victim's needs were addressed, and shut it down.

Scary, hope he'll be ok.

Out of curiosity, what's the first aid for a wound like this? Gauze and pressure?

Are the usual kits you see for sale good enough for most first aid?
Are there specific medical supplies you don't often see, but everyone should have just in case?
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Not 100 % sure. As we approached the victim, someone in his group came up and took the pistol out of his hand.
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I was just up there today, hope the man ends up alright
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Good on ya for stepping in and helping, Stan.
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Stand classes are great

Get an IFAK and training how to use it
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Old 06-07-2015, 9:25 PM
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Scary, hope he'll be ok.

Out of curiosity, what's the first aid for a wound like this? Gauze and pressure?

Are the usual kits you see for sale good enough for most first aid?
Are there specific medical supplies you don't often see, but everyone should have just in case?
Used a 4" Israeli Bandage



A lot of folks these days strap on the CAT or SOFTT-W tourniquets on their kit but I believe a multipurpose battle dressing like the versatile Israeli bandage is the workhorse of your FAK. Different tools for different jobs.
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Scary, hope he'll be ok.

Out of curiosity, what's the first aid for a wound like this? Gauze and pressure?

Are the usual kits you see for sale good enough for most first aid?
Are there specific medical supplies you don't often see, but everyone should have just in case?
Most basic first aid kits are just that - basic. Stan uses a military style IFAK, and has a larger, more comprehensive first aid kit on hand at all times. He started the class this morning with a safety briefing, first aid demonstration, emergency plan, and evacuation plan. Having shot with other schools, not all instructors provide that information in an in-depth manner as Stan did today.
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Old 06-07-2015, 9:47 PM
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That's why I carried my first aid rig at SSZS.
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Thank you both. That person is fortunate to have received first aid quickly, most excellent Stan.

Coincidentally, I was just looking at an IFAK yesterday on the Larue site, but there's so much variety it's hard to make an informed decision. This is definitely motivating me to pull the pin and get a kit together.

Side note, I shoot out in the grasslands by myself and am also getting a good 4 or 5lb fire extinguisher before my next outing. Med kit plus fire extinguisher seems like a good use for ~$100 - $150.
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Way to go Stan! Good for the shooter u were around. Hopefully the guy recovers without any serious issues.
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The standard M3 medic kit on ebay for 55 shipped is an excellent value.
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A shovel is probably a good thing to go along with that fire extinguisher.
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The standard M3 medic kit on ebay for 55 shipped is an excellent value.
Good kit, but missing some serious essentials. Stan's IFAK provides the trauma essentials. Having seen what I saw today, it has been one of my best investments to date. I always carry it in my range bag. I also carry another in my C.E.R.T. bag.

http://ex.stcrispian.com/t/emergency-medicine

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His name wasn't Tex by any chance as it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k-rGnMKszxg
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His name wasn't Tex by any chance as it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k-rGnMKszxg
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No idea. Things moved very quickly. Stan focused on applying first aid. I focused on keeping him down and calm. If anyone does know who he is, please ask him, or his friends to let Stan know he's doing ok.

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A lot of folks these days strap on the CAT or SOFTT-W tourniquets on their kit but I believe a multipurpose battle dressing like the versatile Israeli bandage is the workhorse of your FAK. Different tools for different jobs.
I keep a TQ and Israeli bandage in my kit and in my car.
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What class was next to yours Stan?
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I was wondering what emergency Scott was talking about as he took off in a hurry.
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When you buy you IFAK make sure that you get trained up on how to use it. An IFAK is a tool and it you have one with out the knowledge you can and will do more damage to the victim then you will do good. www.wemt.org
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When will people learn that there is never a rush to re-holster a gun.
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"what class was this?" Crickets..................................
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It wasn't a class but a private group.
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Awesome job, Stan.
The guy was lucky you were so close and prepared.
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Job well done Stan! Right man at the right place and at the right time!!

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When will people learn that there is never a rush to re-holster a gun.
nobody ever won a gunfight being fast into the holster.

I see this at almost every IDPA match I attend, guy loads up at the line and is slamming his gun into the holster. from 20 feet away I can hear the kydex.
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When you buy you IFAK make sure that you get trained up on how to use it. An IFAK is a tool and it you have one with out the knowledge you can and will do more damage to the victim then you will do good. www.wemt.org
+100 %. Excellent point.
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IMHO, everyone should carry an Israeli Bandage, a tourniquet and some of the NEW non thermal quick-clot. I keep all three in a pouch on my kit that I can access with either hand as well as having all three in the bottom of my range bag. Anymore medical gear and you are just carrying around extra stuff you may never use or know how to use. In my opinion, first responder treatment for a gunshot wound is to 1) Stop the bleeding and 2) transport to higher care.

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Good point. Doctor/nurse/paramedic wanna-be's, no matter how well-intentioned, may do more harm than good.
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