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Old 06-16-2008, 12:03 AM
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Just wondering what the laws were regarding Open Carry in Casinos - on Indian Reservations. Do the Casinos have a no-firearm policy? Specifically Casinos in Pauma, Rincon, San Pasqual, etc.

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Ok......

But what are the specific laws regarding what I am asking?
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I work for an Indian Casino in Northern California and think I have the answers you are looking for. First of all, if the casino serves alcohol then that alone classifies it as a bar and prohibits carrying. Second, Indian casino's are regulated by certain Federal Laws that require the tribe to conform to local laws on the grounds of the casino, so if local law forbids it so does the casino. Finally all casinos that I know of have signs posted clearly banning firearms from being on property unless you work for the tribal police or security. I hope this answers your question.
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Indian land has their own set of laws plus any federal laws governing. Not a smart idea.
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I work for an Indian Casino in Northern California and think I have the answers you are looking for. First of all, if the casino serves alcohol then that alone classifies it as a bar and prohibits carrying. Second, Indian casino's are regulated by certain Federal Laws that require the tribe to conform to local laws on the grounds of the casino, so if local law forbids it so does the casino. Finally all casinos that I know of have signs posted clearly banning firearms from being on property unless you work for the tribal police or security. I hope this answers your question.
While the License to Carry Concealed almost always has a restriction to not carry in bars, Open Carry holds no such restriction, nor is there any prohibition listed anywhere in California Penal Code. However, as this is an Indian Casino, it is probably under tribal law. I would contact the Casino for clarification
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They get to make their own rules. I've been kicked out of an indian casino because a security guard saw the clip on my pocket knife. Based on that, I'd bet they'd call in every guard/cop that they could if they saw you with a firearm. You'd better ask them first. You know what their answer will be.
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There aren't any laws against wearing a Tampa Bay Buccaneers jersey in public, but, I don't know if I would show up wearing one at a Raiders game.
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There aren't any laws against wearing a Tampa Bay Buccaneers jersey in public, but, I don't know if I would show up wearing one at a Raiders game.
I heard about a comedian who was doing standup in Oakland and doing Raiders Jokes. He didn't know there were two Oakland Raiders in the audience. The waited for him after the show and picked him up by the arms to slam him against a wall.....but they fumbled him and he was able to get away unharmed.
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I heard about a comedian who was doing standup in Oakland and doing Raiders Jokes. He didn't know there were two Oakland Raiders in the audience. The waited for him after the show and picked him up by the arms to slam him against a wall.....but they fumbled him and he was able to get away unharmed.
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In my reasonably limited * experience, California Indians tend to be a pretty left-leaning bunch. It would not be surprising to me if most if not all Indian casinos banned firearms.

* Before anyone bashes me for being racist, let me point out that my limited experience includes the fact that my GF and daughter are Pomos, members of a local tribe, and have a BIA ID number.
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Just wondering what the laws were regarding Open Carry in Casinos - on Indian Reservations. Do the Casinos have a no-firearm policy? Specifically Casinos in Pauma, Rincon, San Pasqual, etc.

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Varies from tribe to tribe.
But generally...

No open carry, unless you are a member of the tribe and not in the casino.

Yes, Indian Casinos have a no weapons (firearms/knives/impact weapons/chemical sprays) policy.
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While the License to Carry Concealed almost always has a restriction to not carry in bars, Open Carry holds no such restriction, nor is there any prohibition listed anywhere in California Penal Code. However, as this is an Indian Casino, it is probably under tribal law. I would contact the Casino for clarification
CCWs also prohibit any alcohol in the blood whereas open carry does not.

Though not a good idea....of course.
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CCWs also prohibit any alcohol in the blood whereas open carry does not.

Though not a good idea....of course.
Not sure what Penal Code you're reading that from. Mine doesn't have that restriction on a CCW...

I'm looking forward to ATF on my person (Scotch, Cigar, and a concealed PPK/S.)

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Not sure what Penal Code you're reading that from. Mine doesn't have that restriction on a CCW...

I'm looking forward to ATF on my person (Scotch, Cigar, and a concealed PPK/S.)

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I don't think it is in the Penal Code, but it falls under the "reasonable" restrictions that most Sheriff's apply to the License itself
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Not sure what Penal Code you're reading that from. Mine doesn't have that restriction on a CCW...

I'm looking forward to ATF on my person (Scotch, Cigar, and a concealed PPK/S.)

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What was the issuing County? It's most definitely a restriction on the licenses down here in S.B. County.
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Not sure what Penal Code you're reading that from. Mine doesn't have that restriction on a CCW...

I'm looking forward to ATF on my person (Scotch, Cigar, and a concealed PPK/S.)

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Commit justifiable homicide with a CCW and everything will be under scrutiny. Have even .001 BAC and you bet there will be an attorney fighting to get you nailed to the wall. Right or wrong, but alcohol with CCW may not be a law, but common sense dictates what you should and shouldn't have when possessing a firearm.
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i carried into a casino in commerce, near montebello it was right off the 5. i have a ccw and was nervous the whole damn time.
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i carried into a casino in commerce, near montebello it was right off the 5. i have a ccw and was nervous the whole damn time.
That is not an indian casino; that is a card room; completely different and perfectly legal.
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If you can find a county to issue you a CCW I'd bet dollars to donut holes there will be a restriction of 0% BAC.
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not sure about casinos here in ca...but while in nevada keep your gun locked up and out of site while on tribal land. it will be jail time if you do not.


does not matter if you have a nv issued ccw or not,

does not matter what the supreme court says,

tribal land in NOT part of the United States of America.
they get to make there own rules...within/without what the state says the rules should be.



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not sure about casinos here in ca...but while in nevada keep your gun locked up and out of site while on tribal land. it will be jail time if you do not.


does not matter if you have a nv issued ccw or not,

does not matter what the supreme court says,

tribal land in NOT part of the United States of America.
they get to make there own rules...within/without what the state says the rules should be.



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Tribal land in AZ is the same.
You go on to tribal land, weapons need to be unloaded and locked away even with a CCW permit.
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They supposedly want my money and welcome friendly interaction and understanding, but with that kind of policy forget it.
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