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Old 05-28-2008, 5:43 PM
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Default Finished Project: Hitman Silverballer (aka AMT Hardballer) replica

Well it took me a bit over 4 months but finally completed the darn thing. It will be put up for sale soon since I need the money to start another project. Those of you that knows what this is will love it, those that does not then it's probably not your cup of tea.

I have yet to see a faithful replica of the Silverballer prominently featured in the Hitman series of videogames. I was further dismayed by the movie which featured of all thing a 9mm Para-Ordinance. Not to mention the abortion that turned up on Gunbroker awhile back that might as well have been done by monkeys that didn't even bothered to look for the original image of the pistol in the game.

The pistol started out as an AMT Hardballer and was basically un-shot since it was bought in the early 90's:



Then I scoured the web as well as the game itself (installed it played it and took a bunch of screenshots for myself) to find the definitive engravings on the pistol itself. What I found was that the game featured a LEFT and RIGHT version of the same pistol, something that could never be duplicated unless at great cost. There was also the detail of the grip medallions which also has the logo. I wanted to cast new medallions but in the end decided that it was a frivolous addition that would detract aesthetically from the pistol. It took me about 3 weeks to put all the images together and do a mock up of the engraving to be done.

A compilation of good source images:



Then I proceeded to do a mock up in Illustrator:



I proceeded to prep the pistol for the engraving, which involved stripping it down to the bare frame and slide and polished the flats. This was much harder than anticipated because the material was actually quite hard, there's something to be said about stainless steel durability. I ordered the correct grips and reassembled the entire thing to see how it look.

The pistol fully prepped:



It was than torn down again to the bare frame and slide and was off to the engraver for the job. My mock ups were then transferred into Corel Draw and laser engraved onto the frame and slide as it looked in the game.

Here is the result side by side with the "inspiration":





This has been a fun project since it allowed me to be creative on something that otherwise would be completely utilitarian. Hope you guys enjoy my replica.
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Impressive work.

Out of curiosity (for similar project purposes), there are never any slide markings that it is illegal to alter/remove, are there?
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Impressive work.

Out of curiosity (for similar project purposes), there are never any slide markings that it is illegal to alter/remove, are there?
The slide is inconsequential since it is not the firearm, never was and never will be. You can replace, refinished, resurfaced, re-anything you want to the slide.

The frame (the actual firearm) is where it get's more complicated. You obviously cannot remove the serial number, nor any identifying marks which would identify the firearm. Note that this usually means the make/model and manufacturer. But it also depends on how it was applied, the serial will always be engraved ont he frame, but everything else might not be. If, for example, the manufacturer and model was marked in paint or laser etched and could be worn off in the course of use than it wouldn't be considered canon to identify the firearms.

This is strictly my interpretation, but on the part considered the firearm (receiver/frame) one should never remove the serial number. Anything else which was ENGRAVED or applied permanently (cannot be remove with normal wear and tear) also should not be removed. If an identifying mark (ie serial or model) is applied with something that is easily removable, it is your perogative to make sure the exact same markings are put back on after you finish modifying the firearm. I have yet to ever see a serial number and make/model ever been done in anything else other than engraving.
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That is just awesome!!!!! That looks so freaking good..
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Wow. Nice job!
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Attention to detail is awesome.
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Shiny.

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what type of grips are those?
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The slide is inconsequential since it is not the firearm, never was and never will be. You can replace, refinished, resurfaced, re-anything you want to the slide.
Thanks. That's exactly what I thought I remembered. So many guns have make/model stamped into the slide that I just wanted to make sure those weren't crucial.
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Hey Bob you now inpspired me that I should go ahead and try to build the replica Beretta I always wanted.

What engraver would you recommend and what kind of pricing am I looking at? Basically for mine I would have to have the slides finished removed, old markings removed, custom engraving and then, refinished as close to factory specs.

Any info would be a great help.
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that is straight awesome... love it!
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Hey Bob you now inpspired me that I should go ahead and try to build the replica Beretta I always wanted.

What engraver would you recommend and what kind of pricing am I looking at? Basically for mine I would have to have the slides finished removed, old markings removed, custom engraving and then, refinished as close to factory specs.

Any info would be a great help.

racoon city edition beretta? that'd be cool...
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racoon city edition beretta? that'd be cool...
hell yes. An umbrella corp Inox would be awesome. I also want to make a blued 92 with the Boondock Saints hand tattoos engraved down the sides, and the rosary carved in the grips.
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Well a raccoon police department Beretta would be cool but I really want to make a Black Lagoon Sword Cutlass edition instead. They have a airsoft version but at over 200 bucks I don't mind just getting another 92FS and build one of my own.

All I need is a Beretta 92 FS inox any condition would do. The custom Ivory Grips with inlays I have a guy who could probably do them. Slide needs all markings removed, re-engraved and refinished to factory finish as close to as possible. Last it needs a after market extended barrel looks like 3/4 to 1 inch longer.

Here is a link to what it would hopefully look like. http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwol...l?prodID=23110

Money is not a issue just tracking everything down, and the time and hassle of building it. If I did finish it, would be a range gun and I would never sell it.

The real down side is if I should go all out and get every detail right. From my research the front of the slide below where the muzzle of the barrel fits through the slide it says stainless so that would have to go. And the biggest problem is the frame. It says all that warning read manual crap that would need to be removed. Which means that I would have to it refinished as well meaning more money.

Come on guys convince me to build this sucker.
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BUILD IT!!!! there... was that enough convincing?
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Okay... probably a stupid question, but how does one go about polishing the factory markings off the flats? The AMT markings were laser-etched, correct?
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Okay... probably a stupid question, but how does one go about polishing the factory markings off the flats? The AMT markings were laser-etched, correct?
Sandpaper is an amazing thing. I used 200, 400, 800, 1600 than a ScotchBrite pad to get it to where it is.
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Sandpaper is an amazing thing. I used 200, 400, 800, 1600 than a ScotchBrite pad to get it to where it is.
Sweet. Thanks. I didn't think a tube of metal polish paste and elbow grease sounded viable to get rid of etching.
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poor AMT pistol....
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You're going to have a hardtime removing the factory markings from an beretta because Beretta engravings are DEEP.

That's a lot of materials to remove, I wonder if it would affect the integrity of the slide.

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2 questions: How does it shoot and did you get the barcode tattoo?
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Make another one.
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Remember to store them in the ice box. Nice pistol.
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Who did the engraving for the Hitman emblems.I am interested in these for my amt hardballers.
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Thats great. How much you planning on asking for it?
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I want it, I want it, I want it!!!
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That's a gorgeous re-creation. Loved the "Hitman" games. That reminds me... I have to go preorder "Hitman: Absolution."
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Oh wow didn't notice the date LOL. His first post and it was a necro =P
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Wow kinda glad this old thread got Resurrected.
Good job man looks really good.

Man I really wish AMT would of survived. How cool would that be to have 1911s made right here in California.
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What I found was that the game featured a LEFT and RIGHT version of the same pistol, something that could never be duplicated unless at great cost.
I guess it depends on how you define great cost

I can't remember if AMT/OMC ever produced a reverse image 1911, but there have been some manufactured. The one that was most common was the Randall...maybe Essex
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What I found was that the game featured a LEFT and RIGHT version of the same pistol, something that could never be duplicated unless at great cost.
Interesting. While you probably know more about the game than I do, are you sure they were intended to be L/R guns in the game? It's pretty common for game artists to mirror dual wielded weapons. Saves them the work of redoing the animations over for the off-hand, or simply to make things more aesthetically symmetrical.
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Have you shot it yet? How does it run?
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Thats great. How much you planning on asking for it?
I think he wanted $1000 in 2008 dollars...so that is like $2000 in 2012 money.

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Have you shot it yet? How does it run?
I'm going to guess he shot it back in 2008 when he built it and posted this thread...maybe not however. He could just be waiting till he has so spare time to get to the range.

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