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Well I hope something is in the works.
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Ive used Bing with (so far) no issues. GCCCPGLE sucks comrade.
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Try http://www.ixquick.com
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If there was any doubt that Google's new gun policy was totally politically driven, take a peak at today's news...

http://money.cnn.com/2012/07/08/tech...source=cnn_bin

No need to discuss this new topic. The point is that google is actively pushing some far-left political agendas all of a sudden. My response is to switch to Bing.
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Here is a link to our facebook page (may have to be logged in to view it). I just posted a email we received from google last week. They are very anti-gun and yes I have switched search providers to Bing
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Shoote...s/137145643784
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blocking firearm SHOPPING related searches, Calguns needs a better search engine.
as I understand it its not all firearm related searches, just firearm related searches in their SHOPPING section.....
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as I understand it its not all firearm related searches, just firearm related searches in their SHOPPING section.....
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blocking firearm related searches, Calguns needs a better search engine.
Why not use a gun specific search engine....

www.gun-deals.com

Always made more sense to me at least.
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as I understand it its not all firearm related searches, just firearm related searches in their SHOPPING section.....
I suspect porn or books on communism or fascism are not blocked.
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I suspect porn or books on communism or fascism are not blocked.
Communism is actually celebrated by google. Check out any number of days they decorate their stupid name for some commies birthday. At least with Bing,I get random but pleasant pictures...Seagulls, balloons, nothing political like google.
Im sure if you "google" porn through google, you will get gay porn.
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In my opinion, corporations and politics should not mix. Should be oil and water.
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I changed my search engine today..
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I dunno about you guys, but I just tried google and managed to come up with results searching 1911 magazine, USP compact magazine, and bodyguard 380
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I have been Google free for over a week now. Was easier than i thought.
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Eh, I can understand Google not wanting to have firearm purchases on their shopping site. Hopping on the anti-firearm bandwagon? Really Google.... really...

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Just changed to bing.
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Google doesn't allow adult oriented sales on Shopping either. Are they also against the 1st Amendment?

I really think it was a market decision designed to suit their new pay for inclusion business model for Google shopping (it should be noted that ONLY google shopping is being 'censored', not general search results) and other business decisions. There's many many many many purveyors of firearms/knife related products online. In a pay for inclusion model product searches that lead to a slew of possible vendors reduces all listing purchasers ROI. It may also have to do with not wanting to get into the legalities between states. For example, they might not want to have advertised firearms that aren't eligible for sale in the state of California reducing meaningfulness of search results. That stuff's not easy to code and maintain as laws change.

Those that are leaving google based services on supposed anti-gunness IMO are making a knee jerk personal policy decisions that would make even liberals proud.

I'm all for the 2nd or I wouldn't be here. Without a formal statement from Google as to the rationale everything that we infer is purely speculation.

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I'm all for the 2nd or I wouldn't be here. Without a formal statement from Google as to the rationale everything that we infer is purely speculation.
Google already sent their formal statement. They sent a notice to all the gun vendors saying they changed their policy and won't accept their product feed any more.

The NRA made the right call saying this policy change is politically driven.
If you doubt a political motivation, read the link above about Google actively pushing the gay agenda. Very few companies are openly activist pushing far-leaning political agendas like google is doing now. If it costs them market share, it's a reap what you sow situation for google. Not seeing any credible good reason for google to have changed their policy.
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Google already sent their formal statement. They sent a notice to all the gun vendors saying they changed their policy and won't accept their product feed any more.

The NRA made the right call saying this policy change is politically driven.
If you doubt a political motivation, read the link above about Google actively pushing the gay agenda. Very few companies are openly activist pushing far-leaning political agendas like google is doing now. If it costs them market share, it's a reap what you sow situation for google. Not seeing any credible good reason for google to have changed their policy.
I see several potential reasons from a legal/technical perspect. But I'm in IT, and service a lot of clients who are in the legal field and frequently have to mix law with technology. I deploy and maintain a lot of google related products, so I won't attest to having an unbiased opinion either.

I'm more Libertarian leaning than I am conservative, I support gay rights and gun rights. According to your logic these two viewpoints would be mutually exclusive. Dismissing the idea that this is a business decision on account of their position on gay activism is hardly conclusive, as referenced above. Your use of "Gay Agenda" is telling. Anyway...

I don't see anything inherently wrong with business taking an active role in activism. I'm just saying people are reading way too much into this decision and it's a knee jerk response.

And I doubt the NRA understands the technical-legal perspectives of search service technology as it would pertain to firearms.

When google starts censoring 2nd amendment websites, articles and other media we'll talk. But otherwise we're looking at a very narrow aspect in the grand scheme of services that they provide.

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And I doubt the NRA understands the technical-legal perspectives of search service technology as it would pertain to firearms. .
Hmm? I would say few as expert on the subject.
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Hmm? I would say few as expert on the subject.
I've no doubt that if Google was inclined to they could make the legal/technical aspects work together, but making a return on investment on it. NRA REALLY has no room to speak there.
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In my opinion, corporations and politics should not mix. Should be oil and water.
We all know corporations sponsor lobbyists and whatnot. However, what you have to understand is that Lobbyists actually represent one of the PUREST forms of the 1st Amendment that pertain to citizens (Vs the 1st's restriction on Government)

"or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Lobbyists exercise freedom of speech and of the press, seldom are they violent and their explicit purpose is to petition government for 'redress of grievances.' A lot of protest rallies and such miss out on a lot of those qualities.

So, while you might not like corporate intervention in public policy, restriction on the practice via law (as opposed to voting with your dollar) represents a dismantling of the 1st and IMO that's a greater injustice than corporate influence.
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Sure, companies should be allowed to do pretty much whatever they want. I only favor some minor regulation like minimal pollution standards and worker safety, etc. Keep it small though.

If a company chooses to be political activist though, which is more rare to be openly activist, then I expect them to lose business. Simple.
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Sure, companies should be allowed to do pretty much whatever they want. I only favor some minor regulation like minimal pollution standards and worker safety, etc. Keep it small though.

If a company chooses to be political activist though, which is more rare to be openly activist, then I expect them to lose business. Simple.
That's fine but my feeling is you'd have left google over their "gay agenda" and the not allowing of firearms on shopping is just a 'bonus.'
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That's fine but my feeling is you'd have left google over their "gay agenda" and the not allowing of firearms on shopping is just a 'bonus.'
Naw. Go check my Facebook page and see that I had already switched to Bing over the gun censorship and then later the other article on pushing the gay agenda came out after I had already switched. Click the link in my sig and see the facebook post dated July 7th where i had already switched to Bing. Then check the date of the gay agenda article is July 8th.

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Naw. Go check my Facebook page and see that I had already switched to Bing over the gun censorship and then later the other article on pushing the gay agenda came out after I had already switched. Click the link in my sig and see the facebook post dated July 7th where i had already switched to Bing. Then check the date of the gay agenda article is July 8th.

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Bing doesn't censor guns at all. It's owned by Microsoft. Although it is known that Bill Gates has been anti-gun and supported gun control in the past. It's also true that Microsoft has it's own gun club and donated $100k to the NRA in 2000 for example.

If google didn't do the censorship thing, google wouldn't have been flagged by me as being a beast that is doing evil. Privacy violations, censorships and actively pushing left agendas. Google's company motto is "don't do evil"... LOL
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PS - don't judge me, nor feel the need to respond to ever single one of my posts in this thread. Thanks.
Pot calling the kettle black. I'm not going to be mute because of your need to satiate a confirmation bias. You can place me on ignore if you wish.

I'll judge you based on your actions, what people only think is of no consequence to society. You don't need to prove your reasoning behind leaving google to me, your assertion is enough. I believe you at face value and I stand corrected. However, I still challenge the idea that supporting gay rights is mutually exclusive of gun rights or otherwise conclusive of a left bias. Not everyone is as polarized as left vs. Right. There are insane people like me who are going to piss away their vote on Gary Johnson/Jim Gray this November.

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