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Old 11-07-2012, 7:39 AM
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I spoke with the ATF directly last month and discussed this. Their response was that modifying a 50+ year old firearm to SBR/SBS removes it's C&R status and is manufacturing a "new" firearm.
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I spoke with the ATF directly last month and discussed this. Their response was that modifying a 50+ year old firearm to SBR/SBS removes it's C&R status and is manufacturing a "new" firearm.
Correct, it removes the C&R status as far as the feds are concerned. The feds do not care if a shotgun is C&R, not C&R, or built as an SBS from the start. They only want your $200. An SBS is not illegal on the federal level.
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Correct, it removes the C&R status as far as the feds are concerned. The feds do not care if a shotgun is C&R, not C&R, or built as an SBS from the start. They only want your $200. An SBS is not illegal on the federal level.
Either way, they have been denying these requests from CA for a few years now.

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ATF does take the state of origin into consideration and won't approve requests from states where it may conflict with federal law.
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ATF does take the state of origin into consideration and won't approve requests from states where it may conflict with federal law.
And for CA...
BATFE NFA Branch will not approve a Form 1/4 for a SBR/SBS, unless the applicant has a valid Dangerous Weapons Permit for a SBR/SBS from the CA DOJ BOF.

BATFE NFA Branch will approve a Form 4 for a C&R SBR/C&R SBS because a Dangerous Weapons Permit for a SBR/SBS is not required.
Making a C&R rifle/C&R shotgun into a SBR/SBS, makes it a "modern" SBR/SBS and requires a Dangerous Weapons Permit.
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BATFE NFA Branch will not approve a Form 1/4 for a SBR/SBS, unless the applicant has a valid Dangerous Weapons Permit for a SBR/SBS from the CA DOJ BOF.

BATFE NFA Branch will approve a Form 4 for a C&R SBR/C&R SBS because a Dangerous Weapons Permit for a SBR/SBS is not required.
Making a C&R rifle/C&R shotgun into a SBR/SBS, makes it a "modern" SBR/SBS and requires a Dangerous Weapons Permit.
If I can take my C&R shotgun with an interchangeable 24" barrel and change it out for an 18" barrel it is still C&R right?
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And FYI the bit abut modifying a C&R and it loses C&R status refers to military firearms. A domestic C&R is still a C&R.
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And FYI the bit abut modifying a C&R and it loses C&R status refers to military firearms. A domestic C&R is still a C&R.
So that means I can get an approval to turn an old Ithaca hunting shotgun into a SBS without it becoming modern?
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So that means I can get an approval to turn an old Ithaca hunting shotgun into a SBS without it becoming modern?
Sunds fine to me, but be sure to dot your i's and cross your t's. I had a *TYPO* on my trust and they sent me back to square one.

We really need a SBS/AOW/SBR flowchart!
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We really need a SBS/AOW/SBR flowchart!
no, we don't.

NFA stuff is so radioactive if you get it wrong that you have to KNOW the law, not just look at a flowchart.
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That's why I prefer to buy my NFA items from a licensed dealer rather than make my own.
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Sunds fine to me, but be sure to dot your i's and cross your t's. I had a *TYPO* on my trust and they sent me back to square one.

We really need a SBS/AOW/SBR flowchart!
Did you have to pay again, or just wait longer?
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Did you have to pay again, or just wait longer?
wait longer. If they end up denying an app completely, you will get a refund.
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Sure is. It used to be anyone could make any gun with just one form. I miss freedom.
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wait longer. If they end up denying an app completely, you will get a refund.
Ok, that's not too bad. I'm not in a hurry, but I don't want to throw away $200.
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We can do it with no forms, but that might not end well.
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And for CA...
BATFE NFA Branch will not approve a Form 1/4 for a SBR/SBS, unless the applicant has a valid Dangerous Weapons Permit for a SBR/SBS from the CA DOJ BOF.

BATFE NFA Branch will approve a Form 4 for a C&R SBR/C&R SBS because a Dangerous Weapons Permit for a SBR/SBS is not required.
Making a C&R rifle/C&R shotgun into a SBR/SBS, makes it a "modern" SBR/SBS and requires a Dangerous Weapons Permit.
Do you happen to know under what authority the ATF cites in denying a California Form 1 without a Dangerous Weapons Permit? I thought they used to grant Form 1's despite CA law?
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And FYI the bit abut modifying a C&R and it loses C&R status refers to military firearms. A domestic C&R is still a C&R.
What's the source on that?
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What kind of sbrs are commie legal anyway a 870 with 14" barrel maybe, probably not but a man can dream, a man can dream
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http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/curi...#modifications

The definition for curio or relic (“C & R”) firearms found in 27 CFR § 478.11 does not specifically state that a firearm must be in its original condition to be classified as a C&R firearm. However, ATF Ruling 85-10, which discusses the importation of military C&R firearms, notes that they must be in original configuration and adds that a receiver is not a C&R item. Combining this ruling and the definition of C&R firearms, the Firearms Technology Branch (FTB) has concluded that a firearm must be in its original condition to be considered a C&R weapon.
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What kind of sbrs are commie legal anyway a 870 with 14" barrel maybe, probably not but a man can dream, a man can dream
Or just move to a free state.
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You will be hard pressed getting a SBR due to CA AW laws.
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ke6guj, what are your thoughts on paying for an NFA item only from a bank account setup in the name of the trust? There seems to be some split on other NFA forums I've been poking around on. Check coming from NFA Trust v personal credit card, etc.
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I have mine set up that way and paid for the NFA item through my trust account at the bank using a cashier's check. Kept the receipt for purchase of cashier's check in my NFA trust folder.
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Has anyone ever run across a C&R SBS for sale? I constantly search the online auction sites and short of a Marble Game Getter, I never see them for sale. I'd really like an Ithaca Auto-Burglar (AOW) or an 870 SBS, but those seem to be vaporware. I guess they probably don't come up for sale in Internet auctions too often. Probably have to scour brick and mortar auction houses.
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So i have a 1920's semi auto rem 1100 i think it is, can ebrworks turn that into an SBS for me since its not a military arm?
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ke6guj, what are your thoughts on paying for an NFA item only from a bank account setup in the name of the trust? There seems to be some split on other NFA forums I've been poking around on. Check coming from NFA Trust v personal credit card, etc.
I personally have never heard of any issues with someone using personal funds instead of trust funds to pay for an NFA item or the payment to BATFE. That said, I can only assume that there is a good reason that the NFA lawyers prefer that you use trust funds.
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So i have a 1920's semi auto rem 1100 i think it is, can ebrworks turn that into an SBS for me since its not a military arm?
Sadly, ATF would consider this the manufacture of a "new" firearm, negating it's C&R status.
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Sadly, ATF would consider this the manufacture of a "new" firearm, negating it's C&R status.
The law says loss of C&R status is for military firearms only.
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The law says loss of C&R status is for military firearms only.
the ATF ruling says that it applies to .mil firearms (note that that ruling was in 1985 when many .mil firearms weren't 50-years old yet and were being imported as curios, not at relics). ATF has taken the position that it applies to domestic C&Rs as well and just send back your Form 1 saying that you need a DW permit for a modern SBx.

If you want a newly-modified C&R SBx bad, I guess you could sue ATF to approve your Form 1. That will probably be the only way to get this fixed.
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the ATF ruling says that it applies to .mil firearms (note that that ruling was in 1985 when many .mil firearms weren't 50-years old yet and were being imported as curios, not at relics). ATF has taken the position that it applies to domestic C&Rs as well and just send back your Form 1 saying that you need a DW permit for a modern SBx.

If you want a newly-modified C&R SBx bad, I guess you could sue ATF to approve your Form 1. That will probably be the only way to get this fixed.
I'll kick in $20 to get someone going on the lawsuit thing. Won't be me thats for sure.

No more C&R SBS's will be made until they change their mind. Regardless of what some read/interpret the law as who aren't inking up my next tax stamp.

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the ATF ruling says that it applies to .mil firearms (note that that ruling was in 1985 when many .mil firearms weren't 50-years old yet and were being imported as curios, not at relics). ATF has taken the position that it applies to domestic C&Rs as well and just send back your Form 1 saying that you need a DW permit for a modern SBx.

If you want a newly-modified C&R SBx bad, I guess you could sue ATF to approve your Form 1. That will probably be the only way to get this fixed.
Taking a position and following the law are two different things.
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exactly. I specifically used that phrase when I wrote that.
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I've been looking for an NFA registered C&R SBS for 8 months. I have come across one, in Montana, but it's NFA status was questionable so the seller wouldn't sell it.

I am going to continue scouring Subguns, Stormgewehr, etc. there has to be one out there for me.
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Guess what... Let's get the party started. I will have a few C&R NFA 870s, 37s, 12s, and possibly some other models in the very near future. Knowing that I have this shipment coming, I am more willing to let go of the 870 SBS that I have in stock. These were not easy to get, but finally we have them coming! I will post in the commercial section.
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Guess what... Let's get the party started. I will have a few C&R NFA 870s, 37s, 12s, and possibly some other models in the very near future. Knowing that I have this shipment coming, I am more willing to let go of the 870 SBS that I have in stock. These were not easy to get, but finally we have them coming! I will post in the commercial section.
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