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Old 05-29-2020, 10:49 AM
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As the thread title states, metal is my favorite genre of music. I listen to it all the time, though I also do listen to pretty much every other genre of music (with exception of modern rap and pop), depending on my mood, but metal consumes most of my music listening time. Most of the metal bands I listen to do not seem to be anti-Christian, at least not in their lyrics or message, but there are a few who I really like to listen to from a musical standpoint and clearly are anti-Christian.

When I listen to metal I rarely pay attention to the lyrics as I'm mostly interesting in the musicianship, and I play guitar myself so hard hitting metal riffs are my favorite. Honestly I couldn't even tell you what most of the songs I listen to are about because I don't hear the lyrics, just the music, if that makes sense. Now I'm conflicted because there are bands I've listened to and have come to really enjoy the music, then found out later they are anti-Christian, and I feel guilty and feel like I need to stop listening. I certainly don't want to partake in anything which blatantly disrespects or dismisses the Lord, so I wonder if not listening to those bands is the right decision, or if I don't really hear the lyrics if it's still OK to enjoy the music.

Now I do draw the line with many of the most egregious anti-Christian bands out there like Dark Funeral and Dimmu Borgir, and I don't like their music anyway so I don't listen to them, but the bands I'm referring to are Kreator, who writes awesome thrash metal songs, and DevilDriver (I honestly don't know what DevilDriver is about), but I like the music.

I'm just curious what other believers in Christ think. Maybe the answer is obvious and I'm just having a hard time accepting it, but should I expect spiritual repercussions from listening to the music of anti-Christian bands even though I don't pay attention to or agree with the message? I'm honestly scared to look more deeply into some other bands I listen to regularly and find out they are the same, like Testament, which is one of my favorite bands of all time by far and I listen to them all the time. I'd be crushed to find out I shouldn't listen to them either. Alex Skolnick is a huge influence on me.

So there it is. Let me have it.
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I hope this doesn't devolve into a long reply, but here goes. Why not try employing your craft to create a better mouse trap. I mean, could you create Christian framed metal music better than what's currently out there? Maybe music could be your ministry. I know some people that might be able to help you. Please feel free to PM.
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Who says you can't enjoy some parts while disliking other parts? Seems like most of life to me.

Growing up, my parents were freaked out about "hard rock" devil bands like Motley Crue, Juda's Priest, etc. because they took the devil worship theme pretty far. I see it as artistic BS now -- shock-jocks of their day. Funny thing is that they didn't want us listening to that so they pretty much gave us the green light for any rap we wanted. So instead of listening to Motley Crue, we listened to 2Live Crew, Easy E, NWA, etc. Go figure. As an adult, I see Motley Crue as way more mild than the ganster rap of the late 80s & early 90s. One is a rebellious reaction to conservative prudes while the other is outright degrading to half of the human population, let alone themselves.

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Now I'm conflicted because there are bands I've listened to and have come to really enjoy the music, then found out later they are anti-Christian, and I feel guilty and feel like I need to stop listening. I certainly don't want to partake in anything which blatantly disrespects or dismisses the Lord, so I wonder if not listening to those bands is the right decision, or if I don't really hear the lyrics if it's still OK to enjoy the music.
Personally, if the music/lyrics themselves were not contradictory to my beliefs, then I would NOT worry about the opinions of the people who created it. However, if the music/lyrics itself contradicted the truths I held dear, I would abstain from listening.

I will watch movies that were featuring/written/produced by "evil" people. But I will NOT watch movies that advocate doing "evil".

1 Corinthians 10:27-28:

If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience.

But if someone says to you, "This has been offered in sacrifice [to an idol]," then do not eat it, both for the sake of the one who told you and for the sake of conscience.
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2 Corinthians 6:14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?

it was hard to let go songs that i like that contradict with God, anti-American & anti-Constitution. but as i matured in the Word, it's now easy to forgo them and be in submission to Jesus.
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I used to listen to testament, Death, and ministry and some other bands back in the day. I listen occasionally but tend to be draw to other types of rock that I associate with my dead self. As I liked the anger and power that those types of music bring up.
Not telling you not to listen anymore but you may want to look at what response the that type of music evokes in you. For me I listen to the lyrics. I can’t listen to some of my favorite bands anymore now that I know that they speak of raising demons and evil. Heck even Billie Elish sings of Lucifer. How many young girls are mouthing the lyrics and not realizing what they are saying.
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OP- I have the same problem with Punk Rock. I’m getting to the point where I don’t want to listen to certain Bad Religion songs. I love NOFX, but I can’t stand all of Fat Mike’s sociopolitical banter BS. There are a lot of newer bands putting out some great music, but there ultra-lib, candy-azz lyrics just plain suck.
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Not telling you not to listen anymore but you may want to look at what response the that type of music evokes in you.
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For me personally, if the music causes me to think ungodly thoughts, I won't listen to it.
I guess that's where I'm conflicted. The only emotions or thoughts any metal evokes in me are motivational and energetic. I really don't perceive anything negative in myself. Maybe because as a guitarist, in my head I'm focused on the guitar riffs, trying to figure out the chords and envisioning how to play the parts. It really is about the music for me, and I really enjoy the music.

On the other hand, if I'm listening to a song and I hear blatantly obvious anti-Christ messages, I'll turn it off (and not to sound like a liberal here) as it is quite offensive. I have thick skin for a lot of things, but it really cuts me inside to hear Jesus being torn apart, whether it's in a song or just somebody talking about it. That's why I don't give bands like Dark Funeral any notice because I knew beforehand what they were about, and I read some of their lyrics and it's just, wow. Just out of morbid curiosity I did listen to a couple of their songs years back as I had never heard them before, and at least for me, there's a feeling of darkness that came from listening to them, so I turned it off and have never listened to them since. I just don't get that feeling from the metal bands I currently listen to.

I don't know, I guess I'll just pay more attention to what the bands are about and weed out the obviously dark ones, which unfortunately includes Kreator, and that's a bummer because lyrics aside, they write some great music.
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One of the greatest weaknesses of American Protestant Christianity is that there is often a stronger emphasis on what people think or believe than what they actually do. Some people even take it to the extreme of dismissing their actions as just part of being a flawed, sinful being living in God's grace (the protective umbrella of their beliefs). Beliefs & talk are cheap. Actions are what really matter. So I see no theological conflict with listening to anti-Christian messages (when I was a Christian) any more than I see no disloyalty to my capitalist beliefs when I read the Communist Manifesto. What matters most is what you do.

I think Paul had it spot on when he asked the hypothetical question, "Should we sin that grace may abound? Hell No!" I take that to mean that belief counts for something but actions are where the rubber meets the road. So if you live a good life and act in accordance with your beliefs, I'd say music selection is quibbling over trivial matters.
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I have always preferred harder rock going back to the sixties. I listened to bands like Them, The Animals and The Yardbirds more than British Pop.
Then there was Hendrix, the original Jeff Beck Group and Led Zeppelin. Eventually this lead to Metal.
Through all of that I seldom, if ever, paid attention to the lyrics. To me, the vocals were just a sound, like another instrument adding to the music.
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Metal and Punk are largely premised on an outright rejection of Christian traditions as well as any/all associated societal standards and mores...

I personally find it very hard to completely separate the hateful message from the hate filled messenger...
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I guess that's where I'm conflicted. The only emotions or thoughts any metal evokes in me are motivational and energetic. I really don't perceive anything negative in myself. Maybe because as a guitarist, in my head I'm focused on the guitar riffs, trying to figure out the chords and envisioning how to play the parts. It really is about the music for me, and I really enjoy the music.
This is one of those cases where a person's spiritual maturity comes into play. Paul had no problems eating food that was laid out for idol worship, because to him, food was food. But it was a stumbling block for other Christians so Paul gave the advice that they shouldn't eat it if it caused them to stumble.

If we substitute music for food in Paul's situation above, notes are notes. But whether the lyrics is causing you to stumble, it's something that should be sorted out between your conscience and the Spirit.
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It's good that you're wrestling with this, because it shows that you're sensitive to the Holy Spirit.
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I know its cliche and not metal. But Underoath is Christian.
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Just a little aside here: One of my past son in laws was a wannbe Heavy metal rocker, yes wannabe. One day years ago the missus and I dropped by his home and I could hear the Ratsh*t sounds coming out of garage. Looking in the garage Tony and his lowlife friends were attempting to play their efforts at heavy metal music. I looked thru the door and said you know what heavy metal is ? Its guy with a guitar up his arse playing music. It didn't go over very well but he knew not to disagree as did his lowlife friends. My not so humble opinion of that music has not changed and will not change. But to each his own devices.

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Anyone hear of a band named Ninety Pound Wuss? I was a NOFX, guttermouth, minor threat, along with death metal fan growing up and came across Ninety Pound Wuss’ where meager die of self interest cd at a yard sale and listened to it quite a bit without knowing they were a Christian band. I’d recommend checking them out.
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There is Christian Metal out there you just need to seek it out. Also the Metalcore Genre gets alot of flak for not being "metal" enough but there are a ton of Christian Metalcore bands ie. August Burns Red, As I Lay Dying, Demon Hunter, Devil Wears Prada. There are also bands in this Genre that while don't claim to be Christian, have a positive message IE Killswitch Engage. GL on your search.
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This is one of those cases where a person's spiritual maturity comes into play. Paul had no problems eating food that was laid out for idol worship, because to him, food was food. But it was a stumbling block for other Christians so Paul gave the advice that they shouldn't eat it if it caused them to stumble.

If we substitute music for food in Paul's situation above, notes are notes. But whether the lyrics is causing you to stumble, it's something that should be sorted out between your conscience and the Spirit.
This is good advice. The advice regarding chewing out your kids for listening to music that you deem offensive will in all likelihood simply backfire and cause resentment, and is not the way in which to lead by example. Although one may be in the right, one's actions may simultaneously be in the wrong.

I realize this thread is a tad old, and I apologize for raising the dead, but I should like to put forth what I believe to be a good point about listening to "evil" music as follows:

As a Christian and a Metalhead myself I have struggled with this very point and continue to do so. After reading Wordupmybrotha's post about Paul, quoted above, along with my personal outlook about how we view--or rather choose to disregard--evil in society today, I would say that there is a strength in listening to darkish metal as a Christian. Allow me to explain.

You see as a society--especially those of generation Y and Z, we have lived through extremely easy times, times free of persecution for our beliefs (although that may be changing), free from want of food, shelter, and material goods, et cetera. Just think of the 20th century and how the world population faced world wars, nuclear annihilation, and hunger in the depression. I listened to stories from my grandmother about men out of work that would knock on her mother's door begging for a sandwich. Do you think a millennial could ever imagine that?

Today our wars are fought with minimal impact upon the average American--other than changing the headlines, as there is no rationing of workforce shifting like in WWII--and a hot meal is just a door dash app away. In consequence, culturally we begin to soften, and our guard against evil languishes to the point where we no longer acknowledge evil, instead focusing on a Utopian vision of society. I firmly believe that a tenant of ideology of a large segment of society in America today fails to believe that true evil even exists--when confronted with it, they turn their heads or fight against acknowledging it. People live in such comfort and isolation that the mere recognition of the Evil One is sacrilege, to the point where even reference to it in the Lord's Prayer has been changed.

Although I'm not into music as much anymore, listing from time to time to dark metal is a way for some like me, albiet not for everyone, to be reminded of the existence of evil, and keep our guard up and remain vigilant, so to speak.

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My advice to all Christians is to ask the Holy Spirit to guild us and to convict us of any thing that we need to stray a way from.

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Anyone hear of a band named Ninety Pound Wuss? I was a NOFX, guttermouth, minor threat, along with death metal fan growing up and came across Ninety Pound Wuss’ where meager die of self interest cd at a yard sale and listened to it quite a bit without knowing they were a Christian band. I’d recommend checking them out.
Ninety Pound Wuss was a great punk band! Also (along the guttermouth/NOFX vein) Dogwood is hands down the best Christian pop-punk band to ever record music.
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I struggled with this for a while. Eventually I let the Holy Spirit do my guiding because I couldn’t rationalize or justify, as the spiritual fight is not ours to attempt. We do not fight against flesh and blood (earthly bands). That said, I’ve been to over 200 concerts, had my teeth knocked out twice in mosh pits and had a blast doing all of that. There came a time when certain bands (Slayer, Lamb of God, Shadows Fall, Slipknot, Pantera etc...) became less important and I refused to listen to others like Bad Religion, NOFX, AFI, Rancid...many of my favs. In the end, its your heart, your devotion to Jesus. Only you can decide your relationship. Now I like all music from the Temptations to Billy Joel, The Beach Boys to Sublime. Hip hop and Johnny Cash...you name it I’ve heard it. There is something very spiritual about listening to Christian rock tho. The times I’ve been to Spirit West Coast (large Christian concert) I felt so free there. No worries about drugs, thieves, profanity, trash. It was just a nice place to be. I felt free. Pillar, Skillet, Thousand Foot Crutch, and a few others played fairly hard/fast. I tend to like the softer side of Christian tho. Sorry for rambling, I can just relate with this very much.
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I love metal. I work out to it. But I refuse to listen to Slayer. They are anti christ, devil lyrics music. Also, a few AC/DC songs, Alice In Chains and Ozzy/Black Sabbath songs specifically mention “satan,” or denying your maker” lyrics are sung which turns me off. So, I turn it off. I don’t let music guide my Christian faith.
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Listen to whatever you want. If it makes you fell uncomfortable then turn it off. If it makes you feel good then crank it up! God knows you and what’s in your heart. Just don’t go sacrificing virgins or burning upside down crosses into your forehead and you should be all good.
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I love metal. I work out to it. But I refuse to listen to Slayer. They are anti christ, devil lyrics music. Also, a few AC/DC songs, Alice In Chains and Ozzy/Black Sabbath songs specifically mention “satan,” or denying your maker” lyrics are sung which turns me off. So, I turn it off. I don’t let music guide my Christian faith.
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Yes, so what? Don't listen to them or continue doing what you're doing.

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I'm just curious what other believers in Christ think. Maybe the answer is obvious and I'm just having a hard time accepting it, but should I expect spiritual repercussions from listening to the music of anti-Christian bands even though I don't pay attention to or agree with the message? I'm honestly scared to look more deeply into some other bands I listen to regularly and find out they are the same, like Testament, which is one of my favorite bands of all time by far and I listen to them all the time. I'd be crushed to find out I shouldn't listen to them either. Alex Skolnick is a huge influence on me.
Amon Amarth is pretty much anti-Christian as a pagan band that practically does prayers to Odin. I still listen to them; it does not affect my faith.

Max Cavalera is extremely anti-religion but I like his stuff.

Some of them are particularly egregious. Ghost can be pretty bad as is Slayer. I try to stay away from such bands on a song by song basis. I also avoid bands with very silly names; I just cannot bring myself to care if they can't come up with a good name.

Don't let it affect your faith and you'll be fine.

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Let the Holy Spirit be your guide. Since high school, I've listened to the likes of AC/DC and Black Sabbath. Yet, I still hold firm to my faith. I'm not perfect, but I try my best, in spite of myself, to hold true to God's word. Yes, this music sometimes inspire in me a sense of rebelliousness, but I tend to direct that against the government, so, not all bad I suppose. I'd say, that if you do find the music to be affecting your faith and your ability to be obedient to God's truth, than you probably should stop. But only you can answer that question.
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A couple of years back I saw Ghost at Iron Maiden. I liked their costumes and act. The music was seriously catchy. So I loaded them up on spotify and started listening. Within a week I realized every song was glorifying Satan. I couldn't delete them fast enough. That said, I think Metal is just entertainment in the fashion of the old British Horror Movies of the 50's and 60's. I loves me some Metal, and I loves me some Jesus.
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Some advice here is wrong from reading the word. The simplest answer is does it glorify God. Thats all you need to ask your self and pray on. Way to many people using gray area to their advantage. Do not be a Luke warm Christian. In the end it will hurt you far more. This isn't about maturity. Pray and seek the holy spirit, do not seek broken peoples opinions.
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Correct glock17_1986 ! Does it glorify God or the devil ! Also its good to see this forum active again !

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What does the Bible say about the world's music?

What does the Bible say about Christian music?
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Some advice here is wrong from reading the word. The simplest answer is does it glorify God. Thats all you need to ask your self and pray on. Way to many people using gray area to their advantage. Do not be a Luke warm Christian. In the end it will hurt you far more. This isn't about maturity. Pray and seek the holy spirit, do not seek broken peoples opinions.
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What does the Bible say about the world's music?

What does the Bible say about Christian music?
AND...Can we apply the same standards to the Movies and TV programs we partake of...
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AND...Can we apply the same standards to the Movies and TV programs we partake of...
ABSOLUTELY.
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I know I'm necromancing or resurrecting this thread. Just thought I'd add them. You will have to buy their music privately from them, though.
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