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Old 07-26-2015, 3:02 PM
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Default Yugo M48 and Turkish 8mm ammo.

Edited: Ammo is actually Turkish, not Egyptian, as I originally claimed.

So I bought a Yugo M48 Mauser clone today, and some Egyptian Turkish Mauser ammo to go along with it. I inspected the rifle carefully, but was unable to perform my usual chamber cycle. So I took a chance and upon getting home discovered that the M48 has some difficulty feeding cartridges; on more than one occasion the bolt completely failed to push a cartridge and instead whacked the neck, and in general it was quite difficult to feed most of the rounds. Is this just a general M48 issue, a loading error, or do I need to detail clean this gun down to every last screw to ensure complete reliability?

As for the ammo itself, I already do not trust it and I haven't even fired it yet. I cycle cartridges through all my guns to test function and just a preliminary cycling has seen every round get quite scratched. That's not the worst part; one of the cases split at the neck from JUST cycling it through the gun(again, have not yet fired a single round of this stuff) and the bullet is now quite loose in the case. It now resides in the trash can. This particular batch of Turkish 8mm Mauser ammo is dated 1943 production and in brass cases. Has anyone else had problems with split necks in these rounds, and are they safe to shoot at all? I'd hate to blow myself up at the range.

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I have a bit of it and so far it shoots fine. I have probably shot 350 rounds and had 3 or 4 hang fires so don't open your bolt right away if you hear a click, give it 30 seconds or so. I don't have an M48 but have been using it in a K98, 24/47 and my friends Hakim. I have even reloaded a batch of 40 or so of the cases 2 times now and no split necks yet. You must have some binding during feeding or something.

I found a pic of the head stamp on mine.

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I've never had an issue with my M48 but, I purchased it in unissued condition about 10 or 12 years ago. I've seen various surplus ammo with split necks prior to firing and never had a problem with it shooting alright.
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I have a bit of it and so far it shoots fine. I have probably shot 350 rounds and had 3 or 4 hang fires so don't open your bolt right away if you hear a click, give it 30 seconds or so. I don't have an M48 but have been using it in a K98, 24/47 and my friends Hakim. I have even reloaded a batch of 40 or so of the cases 2 times now and no split necks yet. You must have some binding during feeding or something.

I found a pic of the head stamp on mine.

Hmm, my headstamp looks quite different.

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The bottom one is Turkish.
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The bottom one is Turkish.
OK, I was mistaken then. Thought it was Egyptian ammo. A little research shows that Turkish Mauser ammo is really hot, but not dangerous or crappy. Still, that split neck really worries me.
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Check your feed ramp, magazine spring, anything that would casue the tip of the bullet to not engage with the feed ramp cleanly. Mine had too short of an ejector, wouldn't release the empty case from the bolt claw.
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Check your feed ramp, magazine spring, anything that would casue the tip of the bullet to not engage with the feed ramp cleanly. Mine had too short of an ejector, wouldn't release the empty case from the bolt claw.
I too had an ejector issue, but managed to fix it. The ejector blade itself had been mounted incorrectly when the gun was assembled, and completely inoperative. I actually had to remove the ejector box completely and put it into correct place. I'll check my magazine and such tonight and tomorrow, when I detail clean the gun.
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I've seen others, as well as, shot a lot of the Turkish stuff myself. I still have a good supply of it since, it was only $5-$7 per bandoleer when I was buying it at gun shows. I would have been smarter to order crates of it back then but, I didn't. I wouldn't worry about the split necks at all. It's just surplus ammo and will still shot as well as other cheap surplus ammo.
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I have shot a bunch of Turkish 8mm. The war time '40s dated stuff is OK. I only had one or two hang fires like shooting a muzzle loader. Its hot. The pre-war '38 dated stuff has been very good. No cracked necks (better cases?) And very good two piece clips.
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I have bought and shot a lot of Turkish 8mm surplus. It is definitely stoutly loaded. I have bought some loose lots and found a few loose bullets and cracked necks. When I find it still in the bandoliers, the ammo usually looks perfect. The only issue I have had is some occasional sticky bolt with the Turk ammo. Since it replicates in different Mausers, my amateur guess is the pressure of the round.
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I have a bit of it and so far it shoots fine. I have probably shot 350 rounds and had 3 or 4 hang fires so don't open your bolt right away if you hear a click, give it 30 seconds or so. I don't have an M48 but have been using it in a K98, 24/47 and my friends Hakim. I have even reloaded a batch of 40 or so of the cases 2 times now and no split necks yet. You must have some binding during feeding or something.

I found a pic of the head stamp on mine.

FWIW, you are holding this round upside down. It is stamped in Arabic the word 'Mesr' (Arabic for Egypt) and '57'. I am not fluent in Arabic but I know the alphabet and a fair amount of Persian (which uses essentially the same alphabet).
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FWIW, you are holding this round upside down. It is stamped in Arabic the word 'Mesr' (Arabic for Egypt) and '57'. I am not fluent in Arabic but I know the alphabet and a fair amount of Persian (which uses essentially the same alphabet).
Sorry, it was just a pic I found on line real quick to make sure the op and I were comparing apples to apples.
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