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Old 01-14-2021, 8:56 PM
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cant read 3 pages, hows this thing going can we get a CCW aside from the LA sheriff yellow state thread?
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cant read 3 pages, hows this thing going can we get a CCW aside from the LA sheriff yellow state thread?
Yugo you are confused: this thread has nothing to do with CA CCWs. You only have to read the OP or even just the title to realize that.

Mr Rabbit, since you’re on my Ignore List all I could see when logged in was that you replied. In the hope that might have done something positive like point out to Yugo their mistake I logged out to view your post. Instead I see that you used their mistake to—by context—imply you know better than the NRA as to what defines Constitutional Carry. Thanks for showing me and the rest of CGNers that you haven’t changed, you’re still a troll trying to highjack threads off topic.

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I seem to recall that Wi is a pretty evenly divided state, suggesting that concarry is a hard bill to pass.
Anti-gun governor. Veto override requires 2/3rds, always difficult. Also, we got ConCarry in WV a year late since the Governor got the bill on the last day of the session and he was able to sit on it and run out the clock. Timing is a factor as well.

There are a few states that only require a majority to override, but I think all the states that are in play for this law have GOP governors who will sign it.
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Old 01-18-2021, 9:57 PM
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Thumbs up FLORIDA HB123

Looks like Florida will try again with HB123 being introduced.
https://theapopkavoice.com/gun-owner...ikely-to-pass/

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Old 01-21-2021, 7:18 PM
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In Nebraska it looks like our side can’t get Constitutional Carry pass the state legislature so they’re trying to get LB 236 passed that will allow each county to decide whether they’ll allow CCing without a permit.
https://www.tsln.com/news/nebraska-s...lative-update/

It will make NE a confusing patchwork of local laws regarding Constitutional Carry. But I guess “part of a loaf” is better than nothing. I just hope they eventually win it for the whole state.
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Utah Constitutional Carry bill, HB60, passed out of House committee on a straight party line vote and now heads to the House floor for a vote.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics...approves-bill/
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Utah Constitutional Carry bill, HB60, passed out of House committee on a straight party line vote and now heads to the House floor for a vote.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics...approves-bill/
Yahoo. I think given the current division in politics any republican here in Utah that votes no will be castigated, so this has a good chance of making it to the governors desk.
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Yahoo. I think given the current division in politics any republican here in Utah that votes no will be castigated, so this has a good chance of making it to the governors desk.
What are the local feelings about Romney? He's been getting blasted in the media as a party trader.
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Thumbs up AP article about Constitutional Carry

An AP article about the nationwide push for Constitutional Carry:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/states-ey...161400617.html

Although it focuses on Utah it also mentions bills introduced in TN, MT, TX, SC, FL, IN, AL and GA.

This is the first mainstream media coverage I can recall and surprisingly fair.

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Paladin, once again, many thanks for your diligence and service on this.

I read the yahoo article, ok at best, but there was still some inane commentary in that article, like this:

“The push in Tennessee came after the GOP-dominant General Assembly relaxed the state’s handgun law in 2020 by allowing people to obtain a concealed-carry-only handgun permit that didn’t require them to demonstrate the ability to fire a weapon.”

...didn’t require them to demonstrate the ability to fire a weapon...???

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Permittee: yes, but I can’t demonstrate the ability to fire my gun.
CCA: you can’t fire your weapon?
Permittee: no, I don’t have a trigger finger. In fact, I have no fingers.
CCA: well, by law, you don’t have to demonstrate that ability, so you’re good to go. Here’s your permit.
Permittee: thanks, can you tuck it into my front pocket?
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What are the local feelings about Romney? He's been getting blasted in the media as a party trader.
Of topic, but most I talk to want him out,.
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Mittens accused Trump of interfering with the election. How twisted does your brain have to be to think that?
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Utah Constitutional Carry bill, HB60, passed out of House committee on a straight party line vote and now heads to the House floor for a vote.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics...approves-bill/
It passed the Utah House and now goes to the Senate.

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2021/1/...cond-amendment

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Thumbs up Tennessee: HB0018 and SB0318

Tennessee: Constitutional Carry bills have been introduced in both the House and Senate.

Notice how the Moms Demand Action rep say the Constitution guarantees a right to “own and operate a firearm,” not a right to “keep and bear arms.”

https://www.wate.com/news/top-storie...hout-a-permit/

Link to the status of the bills:
http://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/Bill...lNumber=HB0018

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Thumbs up Good, pro Montana Constitutional Carry article

Montana HB102

https://mtstandard.com/opinion/colum...fbd9a083e.html
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Paladin, once again, many thanks for your diligence and service on this.

I read the yahoo article, ok at best, but there was still some inane commentary in that article, like this:

“The push in Tennessee came after the GOP-dominant General Assembly relaxed the state’s handgun law in 2020 by allowing people to obtain a concealed-carry-only handgun permit that didn’t require them to demonstrate the ability to fire a weapon.”

...didn’t require them to demonstrate the ability to fire a weapon...???

Concealed Carry Admin: so, you want a CCO permit?
Permittee: yes, but I can’t demonstrate the ability to fire my gun.
CCA: you can’t fire your weapon?
Permittee: no, I don’t have a trigger finger. In fact, I have no fingers.
CCA: well, by law, you don’t have to demonstrate that ability, so you’re good to go. Here’s your permit.
Permittee: thanks, can you tuck it into my front pocket?
This makes no sense.

Concealed carry without a license or permit goes back to the founding of our country.

When you add a ridiculous scenario to the post you're apparently not understanding Concealed Carry.

Stockholm syndrome strikes again.
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Thumbs up Montana update

HB102 passed its 2nd reading in the Montana Senate. IIRC it has to pass a 3rd reading and Concurrence with the House and then goes to the governor. The bill both implements Constitutional Carry and reduces “gun free zones.”

https://newstalkkgvo.com/house-bill-...te-on-tuesday/


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Thumbs up Alabama

SB5 is the Alabama Constitutional Carry bill. The sheriffs association opposes it for “officer safety,” but gun rights advocates say the sheriffs really don’t want to lose CCW permit fee revenue.
https://patch.com/alabama/tuscaloosa...-carry-permits

You can follow the bill at:
https://www.billtrack50.com/BillDetail/1247179

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Thumbs up South Carolina

South Carolina has both an Open Carry With Training bill (H. 3094) and a Constitutional Carry bill (H. 3039). Some say that the former will be a good intermediate step to the latter once residents get acclimated to seeing OCing. Others say passing the former will take motivation away from passing the latter. Either way things are moving in South Carolina!

https://www.postandcourier.com/polit...f5fb84a6f.html

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The Utah senate passed HB60. It now goes back to the house briefly for them to agree to the senate’s amendments and from there it goes to the governor.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics...cealed-weapon/
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Good to see Utah and Montana will probably get constitutional carry this year.
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The Utah senate passed HB60. It now goes back to the house briefly for them to agree to the senate’s amendments and from there it goes to the governor.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics...cealed-weapon/
This is great. The comments to the article are insane.
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In the race between who will pass Constitutional Carry first, Montana has pulled out ahead of Utah. The Montana governor has until Feb 15 to sign the bill on his desk. After that the question becomes which state’s Constitutional Carry law takes effect first.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2021...overnor-s-desk

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Been following HB60 since I moved here last month. Met with my rep before it had passed and he is a cosponser of it. Also messaged the representative that introduced the bill and he was hoping it was going to pass this last week. Looks like this coming week it will pass.
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Exclamation Utah governor signs Constitutional Carry bill, law takes effect May 05!

The Utah governor signs Constitutional Carry bill, law takes effect May 05!
https://kjzz.com/news/governor-signs...-bill-into-law


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Fantastic. I'm still going to renew my CCW permit in April just to have the reciprocity in other states. Hopefully, even that won't be needed ina few years.
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The Utah governor signs Constitutional Carry bill, law takes effect May 05!
https://kjzz.com/news/governor-signs...-bill-into-law

And from FOX

https://www.foxnews.com/us/utah-gov-...without-permit
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Thumbs up Indiana

Indiana HB 1369 heads to a House floor vote this week and then on to the Senate.
https://www.wibc.com/news/local-indi...ry-in-indiana/

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In the race between who will pass Constitutional Carry first, Montana has pulled out ahead of Utah. The Montana governor has until Feb 15 to sign the bill on his desk. After that the question becomes which state’s Constitutional Carry law takes effect first.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2021...overnor-s-desk

Bill wasn't transmitted to Governor until Feb 11th, so he has until the 21st to sign it.

Good to see movement in Indiana. I've always thought they had more political will to pass CC than southern states where police unions and RINOs that run committees see to kill CC bills every year.
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Exclamation Montana governor signs Constitutional Carry! Takes effect IMMEDIATELY!

Montana governor signs Constitutional Carry bill, it takes effect IMMEDIATELY!
https://www.nraila.org/articles/2021...ses-in-montana



All eyes now turn to Indiana, Tennessee and Texas....

IN bill status: http://iga.in.gov/legislative/2021/bills/house/1369

TN bill status: http://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/Bill...lNumber=HB0018

TX bill status: https://capitol.texas.gov/BillLookup...7R&Bill=HB1238

ETA: the Montana Constitutional Carry law takes effect immediately, only the parts affecting state colleges & universities take effect on June 1st.
https://montanafreepress.org/2021/02...arry-gun-bill/

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(1) I have nothing to do with the production of that map. I’m only involved with the CA CCW GC map.

(2) That map show where we were at the start of the thread, not where we are. I or someone else can make a post when the RadicalGunNuttery RTC map gets updated.
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https://www.nraila.org/articles/2021...ses-in-montana



All eyes now turn to Indiana, Tennessee and Texas....
IN bill status: http://iga.in.gov/legislative/2021/bills/house/1369
TN bill status: http://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/Bill...lNumber=HB0018
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Looks much better. Can’t wait for Texas to join the fun.

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Looks much better. Can’t wait for Texas to join the fun.

Yes, we need Texas and the rest of the south to go green and isolate the POS states on the coasts. Colorado still boggles my mind.
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Yes, we need Texas and the rest of the south to go green and isolate the POS states on the coasts. Colorado still boggles my mind.
The state that is the most puzzling to me is Delaware. It is the only may issue state the recognizes permits from other states. I think that the issue with CO is that it only recognizes resident permits and only from those states that recognize a CO permit, but I may be wrong on this.
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The state that is the most puzzling to me is Delaware. It is the only may issue state the recognizes permits from other states. I think that the issue with CO is that it only recognizes resident permits and only from those states that recognize a CO permit, but I may be wrong on this.
Delaware is statutorily may-issue but in practice they are shall issue and OC is generally legal w/o a permit. I believe CT is the same way in regards to permit issuance.
You're correct on CO. I wish a qualified plaintiff would sue Denver since:
1) They ban OC and
2) CO doesn't issue NR CCW permits and
3) CO only recognizes certain RESIDENT permits from other states
So in essence you are a resident of the wrong state you are SOL if you visit Denver.
One case (Peterson) already bit the dust because they only asked to get a non-resident CCW and the court basically did what Peruta did, that is not look at the law in totally and say that CCW isn't a right even if there are OC bans in place.
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In Nebraska it looks like our side can’t get Constitutional Carry pass the state legislature so they’re trying to get LB 236 passed that will allow each county to decide whether they’ll allow CCing without a permit.
https://www.tsln.com/news/nebraska-s...lative-update/

It will make NE a confusing patchwork of local laws regarding Constitutional Carry. But I guess “part of a loaf” is better than nothing. I just hope they eventually win it for the whole state.
You'll likely get a situation like MT had for years. 90+ plus percent of the state is constitutional carry while a few towns will be status quo.
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/indiana-h...or-gun-permits

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House Bill 1369, which passed the House by a 65-31 vote and now heads to the Senate, repeals a law that requires a person to obtain a license to carry a handgun in Indiana, according to the Indianapolis Star

It allows for any person who is lawfully able to carry and possess a firearm to do so without a government-issued permit or license, reports said. The bill specified that certain offenders still could be prohibited from carrying handguns.
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