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Old 03-03-2017, 9:28 PM
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Drilled sear and hammer holes
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Removed some from the top
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Removed about .0035 from both sides. This would leave it ~.001 larger than the inside of the slide.
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About to cut slide rail
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Old 03-03-2017, 9:28 PM
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Slide lines up, but wont go on yet.
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Hammered the crap out of it with a mallet and lapping compound
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First cleanup
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Cutting the .250 radius
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Looks good so far. Ill need to watch more Mosin Virus vids before blending
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Old 03-03-2017, 9:35 PM
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Staking the plunger tube. Im obviously not a welder.
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Completed Frame.
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Completed 1911 with Vortex Viper Red Dot.
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Good job
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Old 03-03-2017, 9:46 PM
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Aaaaaaand this happens the first time I take it out.
Happened after about 1-2 rounds out of a full mag (already shot maybe 30). A case must have smacked it just right.
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Old 03-03-2017, 10:43 PM
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Wow, that is unbelievably sad. Can you send it back to VV for replacement?
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Old 03-03-2017, 11:31 PM
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Nice job on the build. Sorry about the optic.
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Nice job on the build. Sorry about the optic.
Agreed! Well done with the build. I've fortunately never had a reason to use it, but I hear Vortex has about the best warranty out there. Not sure if really crappy luck is covered, but can't hurt to contact them...? Good luck
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Wow, that is unbelievably sad. Can you send it back to VV for replacement?
Yeah. They have a lifetime warranty. Doesnt matter how it broke, they will repair/replace it for free.

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Nice job on the build. Sorry about the optic.
Thanks. I was thinking about buying another one since amazon will deliver same day. I was told by peers that I should have gone with the RMR... but damn, I have a hard time clicking that Add to Cart for a nearly $600 little red dot.

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Agreed! Well done with the build. I've fortunately never had a reason to use it, but I hear Vortex has about the best warranty out there. Not sure if really crappy luck is covered, but can't hurt to contact them...? Good luck
When I called they said they would repair/replace it under warranty regardless of how it broke, and regardless if Im the original owner (which I am)... Ill post a timeline on the experience once I get it back.
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Ok, now I don't feel bad for you and can say that I think you did a hell of a job. But I would take a look at the ejection trajectory before putting a new red dot on.

Just kidding. I still feel bad for you. Are you DONE done, or is there more coming up while you are waiting for a new sight?
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I dont know what Im going to do with the finish yet. I was hoping to shoot it a bunch, get bored, then naturally move on to the next improvement. I know once I try to blend the safety, Im going to do the rest so match the finish. I dont have an artistic eye, so I dont have any inspiration yet.

Im open for suggestions.
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When I called they said they would repair/replace it under warranty regardless of how it broke, and regardless if Im the original owner (which I am)
That's what I've heard from multiple people, which is one reason why my SCAR currently has a Vortex optic and I'm shopping for a couple red dots for my PS90 and FS2000...good quality, good prices, good selection, and great warranty=tough to beat. I look forward to hearing how it shakes out.
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I dont know what Im going to do with the finish yet. I was hoping to shoot it a bunch, get bored, then naturally move on to the next improvement. I know once I try to blend the safety, Im going to do the rest so match the finish. I dont have an artistic eye, so I dont have any inspiration yet.

Im open for suggestions.
Just for comfort I would highly recommend aN undercut for the trigger guard. It does make a difference in the feel by allowing your middle finger to get on the same plane as the other fingers and it does help get a little higher of a grip.

That is my oNE and only "functional" suggestion. Everything else is in the eye of the beholder.
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But I would take a look at the ejection trajectory before putting a new red dot on.
Thats actually a good point. I was thinking about bringing someone along to take a video of it. I have 2 1911 builders, same frame, slide, kit, etc. The first one has truglo sights. I reload my ammo, and these guns have only been fed reloads. When shooting my first 1911, I can only retrieve about 20% of my brass. The rest shoot over to the right, and some go slightly forward.

When shooting this new one, I retrieved just about all my brass because it was behind me. I dont know how much of it bounced off the wall, but there's definitely a difference between the two in regards to the brass trajectory.
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Thats actually a good point. I was thinking about bringing someone along to take a video of it. I have 2 1911 builders, same frame, slide, kit, etc. The first one has truglo sights. I reload my ammo, and these guns have only been fed reloads. When shooting my first 1911, I can only retrieve about 20% of my brass. The rest shoot over to the right, and some go slightly forward.

When shooting this new one, I retrieved just about all my brass because it was behind me. I dont know how much of it bounced off the wall, but there's definitely a difference between the two in regards to the brass trajectory.
Here is what one of mine did



The case was bouncing off the rear edge of the ejection port and going sideways and sometimes forward. Look at Extractor tension, ejector length/shape, ejection port to extractor relationship and finally recoil spring/hammer spring power.

Launching straight back... I would check extractor tension also.
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Great looking build, sorry about the optic...The first thing I would do is
fit an extended ejector before Installing the new optic to help avoid
the same scenario.

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Great looking build, sorry about the optic...The first thing I would do is
fit an extended ejector before Installing the new optic to help avoid
the same scenario.

Good luck.
Thanks.
Something needs to change. Im actually thinking about filing it down. Before doing that, I want to try an 18lb spring I have laying around. The reason for filing it down is because the bottom 1911 ejects forward and to the right. The top one is the new one, and seems to be going back. I havent shot it enough times to figure out exactly where its going.
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Check the extractor tension and make sure it is not clocking first. That is what I would do.

Then, to slow down the slide (if that is what the issue may be) use a 25 lb. Hammer spring and Square bottom FP Stop instead of the heavier recoil spring. Again, that is what I would do.
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Check the extractor tension and make sure it is not clocking first. That is what I would do.

Then, to slow down the slide (if that is what the issue may be) use a 25 lb. Hammer spring and Square bottom FP Stop instead of the heavier recoil spring. Again, that is what I would do.
Whats a good way to test extractor tension?
I dont think its clocking. Unlike my other 1911, this one has a tight firing pin stop. I had to drive it in with a brass punch. There is no visible gap between the rear of the extractor and the firing pin stop.
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Sorry about optic. Good looking gun!

Have you seen or shot a S&W E Series 1911? I think a ejector like the E Series 1911's have would work with the Optic.
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Nice job! More info on homemade jigs would be interesting.
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Whats a good way to test extractor tension?
I dont think its clocking. Unlike my other 1911, this one has a tight firing pin stop. I had to drive it in with a brass punch. There is no visible gap between the rear of the extractor and the firing pin stop.
If there is no clocking, that is a very good thing. To check tension, here are these gauges. They are used with cheap (think thin tip) trigger weight gauges.

http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-to...prod16125.aspx

Also, can you take a picture from the top of the slide to see how the head of the extractor on both slides sits in relation to the ejection port?
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They make an extractor bender (could make another home made jig). I usually bring my extractor tool to the range with me, and a good file and I tune the ejection to be exactly where I want it. I usually try to get it to leave the gun at a 45 degree horizontal angle, and leave as close to straight to the right as I can. It will take a whole shooting day to get it right, but a whole day shooting is a win in my book.
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Just an update to the Vortex Viper warranty.

03/01/2017 - Called Vortex. They emailed me a warranty form.
03/03/2017 - I shipped the optic only to Vortex via USPS.
03/06/2017 - They emailed me confirmation that they received it.
03/08/2017 - I received a FedEx tracking notification from them.
03/14/2017 - Package delivered.

They sent me a whole new one. Shrink wrapped retail box and all. Im very happy with that.

I filed down the ejector, took it to the range, and had someone record a video of it. Its flying pretty hard to the right, up and back. No marks on the optic, so Im going to leave it as is.

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That is excellent news.

So your ejection pattern has changed for the better, right?
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Just an update to the Vortex Viper warranty.

03/01/2017 - Called Vortex. They emailed me a warranty form.
03/03/2017 - I shipped the optic only to Vortex via USPS.
03/06/2017 - They emailed me confirmation that they received it.
03/08/2017 - I received a FedEx tracking notification from them.
03/14/2017 - Package delivered.

They sent me a whole new one. Shrink wrapped retail box and all. Im very happy with that.

I filed down the ejector, took it to the range, and had someone record a video of it. Its flying pretty hard to the right, up and back. No marks on the optic, so Im going to leave it as is.


Glad it worked out for you...Enjoy.
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That is excellent news.

So your ejection pattern has changed for the better, right?
I think so. I never really knew where it was going to begin with. It could have changed with the break in, or with the filing, but no issues at this point. So yeah, that's good.

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