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Right. Regaining tons of ground = regaining tons of ground even if we're not back to 1967 yet. The Allies in the South Pacific aren't losing just because Japan hasn't surrendered yet.
The AWB is all but gone. You can get almost any gun you want (short of the listed AWs, and there are tons of alternative receivers that let you get the exact same gun just not listed). You have to jump through a couple hoops (either bullet button or featureless), but the fact that you can buy whatever EBR you want and buy whatever rebuild kits you want and buy whatever pistol you want is us regaining TONS of ground. We'll take it all back. Just because we haven't repealed the AWB 100% at this very moment doesn't mean we haven't made it almost irrelevant AND decisively killed the only serious attempt to strengthen the ban in a decade. Quote:
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Unless he just happened to have filed for a CoE from CADOJ about 6 weeks earlier, that is a lie.
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Just because I don't like how slow or none existent the movement is doesn't mean I blame the people working for the gun community nor that I don't appreciate what they are doing. I just realized that there are two definitions of winning and mine isn't even close to theirs. Now I can slink off and go "cry in my beer" and you all can just keep "WINNING".
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Sure they're afraid of the gun lobby, but only as an irritating component of their constituency. Not necessarily a pivotal one all the time, and not even where it concerns gun legislation only, 'cause they been a 'passin' that all the time. |
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Your assumptions aside, I can tell you that the Senate was fully invested in passing SB 249. Didn't you notice Steinberg being *added* to the bill and interviewing on it? I'm not sure to what degree you worked the bill but I suspect [based on your statements] that your experience was limited to arms-length advocacy. It was the Assembly that wasn't happy about SB 249 (for a number of reasons), not the least of which that we'd proven far more capable of staying with the bill (with increasing force) than Yee and the Senate had thought possible. When the Assembly had all sorts of other bills to deal with and pass (many bills THEY wanted to pass), we turned SB 249 enough of a thorn that Yee's forced amendments became terminally poisonous. -Brandon
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What's your timeline on getting a report/comment/whatever from the agency? Lemme guess: 2 WEEKS! (IBTW)
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Time might tell here. If the legislature picks up more beholden democrats, I'd be worried that more legislation along the 249 line will be served up. That might amplify if prop 30 passes too. I don't believe they fear the gun lobby, or gun owners like they did years ago. |
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I never claimed it was the sole reason; I pointed out that a significant portion of the assembly appropriations committee analysis of opposition/issues centered on StopSB249.org and our arguments.
I don't mean to be snide, but frankly it's the committee's own records vs. your conjecture. We killed it completely this year, and are ready to fight any future attempts to resurrect it. If you'd like to be a part of that effort, please follow the link in my signature and sign upfor CGF grassroots efforts. I'll put you to good use. We made a popular gun control bill politically toxic enough a Democrat committee chair killed it without a hearing. Call that what you will, but the common word is "winning". Brandon, help me out here....wasn't there an interview or statement from Mike Gatto re SB249/CGF/et al? Quote:
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Unfortunately, one component of that would be importing more gun friendly voters into this state, and that is a non-starter since we cannot bribe them here. Quote:
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That means making gun rights and gun ownership a bigger tent.
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No Kidding - Take all that other crap to a new thread about "who is winning" or whatever. This thread is supposed to be about; the alleged illegal seizure of a firearm by police. |
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And that overzealous cop needs to be corrected to make sure they never make that mistake again.
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I think that this is where we as a community can fail ourselves. Leaping to the support of someone who's judgment is so flawed, their actions are so stupid and the decisions they make are so selfish that they don't deserve our support. People here all the time jump on any LEO who says "let the facts come out" or "give him the benefit of the doubt" when a LEO does something, but think nothing of leaping to this guys support. How is that much different? I mean, supporting the really stupid actions of this guy just because he is a gun owner is like supporting someone who goes running into a cross walk when they just know that traffic is too close to stop. Hey, they had the “right of way”, right! Nothing they did could be considered wrong right…I mean…They had the right away,,,,screw common sense, screw good judgment….THEY HAD THE RIGHT OF WAY…They could do no wrong!!! Blind loyalty is not always a good thing. |
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Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche |
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I actually have grabbed a few guns in my life. From a couple drunks, a punk kid, a mentally scrambled person, and an employee who thought he was going to help out an already defused situation. Sometimes it's justified. Does that make me have latent hypocritical self-hating gun grabbing inclinations ? We don't know what happened yet. Everything we've read is coming second hand and beyond. I like documents, testimony, records. A story here in Sac has taken on a similar tone. A pollworker says she was fired over writing an email to the registrar because of her concern over UN observers coming to the polls here in Sac. So all these people are making all kinds of comments about jack-booted thug UN enforcers meddling in out elections, and now there was allegedly a personal threat issued to the registrar. But, next thing ya' know is the poll worker lets it out that she told the registrar she would turn the observers away. She never told me this either. I was doing a bit of work in her favor 'cause I was under the impression she was fired unfairly. The point being, people on the receiving end of government authority often meter out information about the incident on a need to know basis. If they need your help, they often relay that which would increase the chances you would do so. Most counsel here I'm sure encounter this all the time, especially where pro-bono is concerned. I'm not saying that's the case in Arcata. I'm just a natural born inquirer. Last edited by AyatollahGondola; 11-05-2012 at 7:56 PM.. |
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The community fails by taking this attitude towards any activity they don’t approve. Hunter's don’t care about AR, wood guy’s don’t care about hunting or AR, those who can carry don’t about those who cant, gun collectors don’t care…. You get the point. Quote:
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How is this anything like your situation? Was the person being reckless? No. Then your point is meaningless. |
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Yes, there are cases where I will not support someone just for being a gun owner. Actually, I don't support anyone just because they have something in common with me. I support advancing our rights.
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Someone simply carrying a legal firearm in a legal fashion should be supported. |
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Devotion? To the constitution of the united States? Ah.......YA
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I'll turn your question around. Do we just not defend people who have committed no crime and have had their rights violated? If not, where do we draw the line? P.S. Thanks for the new sig line, CitaDel |
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The records you want do not exist, because they let him go. It would be easier for you to find someone with boots on the ground who witnessed the event. I am begining to long for the days where we are innocent until being proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt- instead of the other way around.
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You will be waiting a really long time then, unless you have filed a PRA already.
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Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche |
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You know, Randy Weaver was supposed to be a petty unpleasant guy, too. I'm still angry his family was murdered, though. Illegal or negligent behavior.
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Lucy at www.mesatactical.com Last edited by Mesa Tactical; 11-06-2012 at 6:48 AM.. |
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Not saying that devotion to the constitution is a bad thing, but blind, absolute devotion to anything IS a bad thing. It also eliminates the need to think or reason and THAT is also a bad thing.
You can't just throw the "It's the constitution flag" out and be done with it EVERY TIME..... Thought and reason have to be a factor. |
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Amendments to The Constitution exist and are/were created for a reason. "Things change, as do people and ideals." There is very little "hard and fast" in this world and in this life. So fight for what you believe in. A.W.D.
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How does the Constitution not apply to this particular circumstance where an individuals lawfully owned private property is seized for public safety? Please be sure to frame it in the context that the individual was not charged for any crime and was allowed to go after his legally configured rifle was taken from him.
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Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche |
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My earlier analogy was weak, but it kind of applies a little……If you have a green light and you see a speeding bus coming, would you pull out in just because you had “the right of way”….? I am just asking, are there any limits to our support, because I think this one may be getting close to that edge,,,, |
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