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Noob here! Interested in an AR
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My buddy showed me this.. http://www.hk22rimfire.com/index.php?page=mp5-sd What do you think? It is legal, right? My friend has an AR-15 .223 that he put together for around $700; he said it would have cost him $1200 if he bought it separate. My question is, what are the legal limitations in California as far as caliber and other tricky laws we have? What would you recommend if it's something I'd like to take to the range. Where would I even start? Last edited by TheCorporation; 12-06-2012 at 6:34 AM.. |
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If you're a noob I wouldn't suggest trying to build one. Like custom crafted cars, they can be cantankerous and need a lot of tuning, fiddling until they're where you want it to be. I'd start out with the S&W M&P 15 Sport just to get familiar with the AR platform; the sweet part about that gun is that it's about $700, more or less. I'm pretty sure it's chambered for 5.56 so you can also use 2.23 if you like. The bullet button is already installed, you get a CA-capacity 'mag, so legality wise you're good to go. Now if you believe in buying the best that you can for the little money you've got I recommend going with the Colt 6920. It's about $1200 but you're getting Colt performance and reliability for a little over a grand. If you decide you want a fancier 'AR or a gas piston one in the future you can always sell your Colt for almost what you paid for it. Buy once, cry once, as some here would say, and either of those guns will serve you well. Look around the intrawebz for reviews/opinions about either gun and you'd be hard pressed to find anything negative about them...
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Just keep in mind that the Colt CR6720 CA lower is not mil-spec in that Colt uses a integral web of aluminum as a sear block, rather than the old pinned sear block. This means that some aftermarket modular triggers will not fit the lower, such as the AR-Gold Trigger by American Trigger Corp. The JP Enterprises EZ trigger will fit however. I don't plan on removing the web as some yahoo may see that as an attempt to convert it for the auto sear down the road, a complexity I don't need.
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About $700-$800-ish, depending on the upper you pick |
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There's nothing wrong with assembling your own gun as a first timer if you're somewhat mechanically inclined and don't mind fiddling a little. There's no better way to learn the weapon and gain a good understanding of just what the heck is going on in there when you pull the trigger.
I would, however stick to assembling the lower only as there are no special tools(depending on the type of stock you use) to do it. Once you get into assembling an upper, you might find that you do need a barrel wrench, a vise, and a receiver block at the very least if you're starting with a completed barrel assembly.
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With Youtube and the Brownell's building guides it's pretty simply to assemble an AR. Especially if you buy a complete upper and are only putting together the lower. Here are some links to help you get started:
Uppers: http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...te-uppers.html Lower build kit's: (great deals since it includes almost everything you need to complete your stripped lower... you still need a bullet button) http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...uild-kits.html Brownells assembly videos: http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/lid=1.../#.UKyMG4Yrffc Your local gun store should carry stripped lowers.... just pick the rollmark you like.
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In the AR15 world you get what you pay for. Buying substandard guns like the M&P15 Sport vs even a regular M&P15 might matter later when parts start giving out. Buying a Stag, RRA, LMT, or Colt is always a better idea than going bottom feeder. I would go to a quality AR15 shop and see what they show you. I have many complete rifles and parts for sale so if you came into my shop, I would go over all of your options with you. We could get you out the door for less than $805 for some junk like a DPMS Oracle, we could build you about a $1025 quality rifle with a Stag 2H upper, or we could sell you an LMT CQB for $1800. I would just urge you to be cautious about buying cheap. You get what you pay for in the AR15 world. If you are no where near the Bakersfield area, there are good gun shops all over this state that can help you. Here is my FAQ page to help you with the legalities. https://www.tenpercentfirearms.com/i...main_page=ar15
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This guy is dead on.vvv If you buy a good complete upper (from PSA, Aim Surplus, Spikes, BCM, etc) and dont skimp on the lower parts kit and buffer tube kit, you should have a high quality reliable rifle. Everything else like optics, buttstock, and pistol grip all come second. And the best advice I can give is not take the colt talk too serious. It's just a rifle and not the best one out .
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There's nothing wrong with S&W. If you can find a fully built Daniel Defense, LMT, Spikes for the same price though, go for one of those. I know lots of folks talk about how great Colt is... but in all honesty, any of the names i listed above can go head to head with Colt..... NOOB... sorry couldn't resist. |
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Myk's first post is spot on, s&w mp15, it has no dust cover and no forward assist. I have never used my forward assist on any rifle, anyone who is trained in high speed. High pressure situations will not press a forward assist, worthless in real world. The dust cover isn't needed either unless you plan on going somewhere that has sandstorms. Get some rounds thru the barrel and use frog lube. It will keep your bolt carrier group nice and juicy and repel dirt, debris and carbon. Good luck
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I was trained in the Corps to keep the dust cover closed and to use the forward assist if needed in certain situations. I only had to use the FA once. Somolia Africa. Personally, I won't buy an AR15 without a FA and a Dust Cover.
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+build+an+ar-15
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If you're wondering why some people are responding the way they are... it's probably because you used the childish term "noob". When we see or hear "noob", we automatically think, "child that needs to be supervised".
Well that's certainly how I see it anyhow. Just go buy a fully built one and PLEASE follow the FLOWCHART and the law so you don't mess it up for the rest of us, you noob. |
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Shoot, I might have to try doing that one of these days. I guess it's just preference though; I liked the idea of pulling a rifle off of the rack and making it mine...
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Recommendation: get a stripped lower now, before you have to register it after the end of December. Now... that being said, I was where you are now. A buddy send me a free lower parts kit (a $50 value, I think). I built my lower myself with the aid of a friend, but I think everything I needed to know could have come from youtube. The major problem is that front takedown pin (specifically the detent and spring). You won't save any by building the upper. I went and priced everything out as well as I could for a long time. I don't really think it's worth it. I'd find a decent, complete upper. They're rare at the moment, so maybe find a good, reputable brand and order ahead of time. Some of these places are two months or more behind. I was lucky to find the one I did. Then buy a stock. Once you've got the basic build done, you'll want to upgrade it here and there... better trigger, optics, etc. etc.
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If you buy a good complete upper (from PSA, Aim Surplus, Spikes, BCM, etc) and dont skimp on the lower parts kit and buffer tube kit, you should have a high quality reliable rifle. Everything else like optics, buttstock, and pistol grip all come second.
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Build? Hell no.
Buy a complete California compliant Colt 6920 for $1149. The resale value will be better should you ever choose to sell; it has proved itself in theatre, versus some kit or hobby gun with no real QC procedures other than you trying to duplicate what's on YouTube. Trust me. |
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@HK Dave, Weren't you the one calling me childish, yet have said 'noob' as a negative term 3 times already in this very thread? Clearly, you are the childish one. Don't you have to be 21 to purchase a hand gun anyway?
@Everyone else, I'm thinking that S&W might be the way to go... |
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Ah, you're getting it now... that the term noob is childish and best left to kids?
I was making a point when i called you "noob" 3 times. Don't take it too seriously brother, this is an internet forum. You're the new gu.... err NOOB so just a little friendly hazing. And anyhow I honestly tried to help. You're welcome to pm me if you want specifics on anything. You NOOB. Last edited by HK Dave; 11-21-2012 at 5:43 PM.. |
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Registration doesn't start until 2014.
$650 S&W MP15 Sports are bottom feeders. $1100 MP15s are not bottom feeders. Know there is a difference before buying one of the cheaper ones and thinking you got a great deal when you bought a whole different level firearm.
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I know you guys are going to hate me for this, but I shot the Mossberg AR-15 .22 Tactical and it wasn't bad at all. In fact, I actually liked it. It's only $250 or so, too, so that's appealing.
Has anyone had any experiences with these? |
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http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...8&postcount=79 Also this is a nice info link on the basics of care and feeding the AR. There is some opinion but it is still good info . http://www.frfrogspad.com/ar.htm Only you can chose what level or AR quality you want to buy. So far S@W has a good customer service warranty reputation,I have used it 2 years ago. Not on an AR though. Daniel Defense and Bravo Company are the best rifles on the market for the best price. Machine gun steel at a bolt action steel price!! Has a ring to it eh!!! Last edited by Sunday; 12-03-2012 at 7:12 AM.. |
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Merry Xmas!
Wrote this just for you! http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=555451 let me know what you think.
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Just make sure
1)the barrel is at least 16" overall length 2)there is a magazine lock on it. 3)you use only 10 round magazines you can explore making your rifle featureless later. Enjoi.
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My buddy showed me this..
http://www.hk22rimfire.com/index.php?page=mp5-sd What do you think? It is legal, right? |
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Sounds like you really need to sit down and think about what you are buying this gun for. |
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Why is that? I always here good things about Colt and their assault riffles. And, what about the link I posted above? I'm interested in getting something like that.
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Save your money and buy ammo. That's what I would do if I was you or reach out to someone on here and have them help you build your own AR. Where are you located? |
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