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What professional snipers use... you'd be surprised!
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubb...07#Post3728307
Interesting that none of them used .308 and that more used Vortex and Bushnell scopes than Nightforce and Leupold.
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I agree, optics are sooooo expensive.... OP, ty for posting...great info and very surprising at that
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http://demigodllc.com/articles/6.5-s...-6.5-creedmoor
Article talking about the pro/cons in comparison. Gives you some idea what those pros are thinking |
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I dont want to get hit any of those rounds... .308 included.
I actually make it a policy to just not get shot in the first place. Point is Id be more interested in what the guy behind the rifle can do as opposed to what his gear can do.
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.308 with a Schmidt and Bender is the standard for them.
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If you look at the top ten, trends are clear and not surprising. A custom action, barrel, and either a 6.5 or 6mm cartridge and a Schimdt and Bender scope. These are guns that are specialized for competition use and that may be quite a bit different than a gun used as a real working rifle.
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The 6.5mm and 6mm projectiles have been ruling the long distance competition world for a few years now, so these calibers are hardly considered "odd" by those that shoot competition these days.
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These are not sniper rifles.....they are competition rifles. I agree that the choices would be different if they were used for taking out human targets.
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I think the thread should be relabeled to what "Professional Competition Distance Shooters Use", snipers implies that these people are out shooting at living/tactical targets, and not paper.
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Agreed - Very poor title choice. This is benched competition shooting.
Very different than "military style" "sniper" shooting.
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Sniping paper...pffft.
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I don't think so. These guys do a whole bunch of various scenarios including paper, gongs, unknown distance and angles, time/stress constraints, canted rifle shooting, etc. IPSC plus, with rifles, if you will. It aint easy. BUT, it is a game. Try shooting a 8" x 12" target at 200 yards with your rifle turned 90 degrees to vertical alignment.
My only point is they are not "professionals". |
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This is far from a benchrest competition. Check this YouTube video and you'll know what I mean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzmOT7gVpZI The list tells me Surgeon and GAP are the top of their game and all shoot some variation of 6mm or 6.5mm, most everything else is skewed due to sponsorship. Surgeon, Surgeon action, Krieger barrels, McMillian stock. GAP, Defiance action, Bartlein barrels, Manners stock. |
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I have shot two Precision Rifle Series matches this past year and I don't recall ever shooting off of a bench. Barricades, simulated windows, rocks, off a steering wheel through a car window........stuff like that. These types of competitions test mental endurance, mental toughness, and problem solving skills. There is usually no time to stand around, it is very dynamic from 7am to 4pm. If you show up to a PRS match with no cadio capacity, good luck. Every stage is a problem, it's your job to solve it with your system. Example: Start siting in driver's seat, rifle muzzle down on passenger side. Buzzer starts, you have 60 seconds to get a solid position off the steering wheel, engage 6 8" steel circles, two shots per target. The kicker is the 8" steel targets are spread out on a mountain side, at varying distances from 220 yards to 700 yards. They were painted white at one point, now they are grey and blend in with the environment. That's 12 shots, AI mag holds 10. Do you load one mag and feed the extra two or do you do a mag change? Do you preload off the steering wheel with your bipod and curl up in a ball or use a flat TAB bag and shoot it like a barricade. Do you dial each distance which takes time or do you use your reticle to hold. How is the wind affecting the 680 yard target compared to the 410 yard target since they are on opposite sides of the mountain and you see the dust trails going left and right after other compeititors shoot. Those are the questions you have to ask yourself and figure out in a few minutes before it's your turn to shoot. There's only a handfull of MIL/LEO on that list, most are just regular guys that like to shoot. Think farmers, electricians, dentists, CPA, municipality.
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I saw that list and thought, "Where is Chris Kyle on this list?"
He shot .300 win mag and .338 lap mag, according to his book (which is a good read). Then I thought, maybe this is a "current" list, since Chris is no longer active. Then I realized, "Oh...competition shooting" Snipers? I don't think so...
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If your in this game budget is not as big of a concern. Guarantee most of those Gentleman and Lady have tried many different scopes and run what they like the most. Some are sponsored so they run what they are sponsored by. There are more then a few active people that shoot these matches. I would not call all these guys snipers. But there are a few. And if you think this is bench shooting you have no clue! |
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Makes sense, the best optics in the world are not going to make up for a bad rifle or bad ammo.
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Which none of those people on the list are doing. |
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This thread should be entitled "What guys who are heavily sponsored shoot." Then it would be accurate. |
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A lot of people are getting into the bushnells because they are high quality with the right features, and are WAY cheaper than the other brands with similar features.
I'll have one soon. At least 4 of them are at my local precision rifle competition. Vortex, seems hit and miss. Some guys really like them, some have had problems and sent back under warranty. The Bushnell is quite a bit cheaper with all the features. The 6/6.5/260/243 has a serious wind advantage and a flatter trajectory making unknown distance hits more likely. Everything in life is a trade off.... those are all barrel burners. Almost no one in my local match is 'sponsored'- They shoot what they like, and what they can afford. The breakdown in gear looks pretty similar, except we have a number of 308's and a few factory rifles as well as the full blown customs. |
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No surprises here.
S&B is a well known and long time maker of high end scopes in the competition world. The bushnell scopes are a newer trend. Where as in years past bushnell was mostly considered junk, their new high end scopes are very nice at an extremely competerive price. As more people catch on to this you will see a rise in their popularity. I use a bushnell 6500 as my standard LR shooting optic and I also use it to test our upper receivers precision before we ship them off. The new bushnell HDMR scopes are supposedly of very impressive quality at a "bargain" price. The prevalence of 6pm/243 calibers and 105hybrid vld's as the wining combination should be no surprise either. All of the top placers, including the winner used this combo. This is one of the major advantages of our AR15's chambered in 243WSSM. It allows us to offer the same winning ingredients in a small frame automatic. Last edited by chicoredneck; 12-05-2012 at 2:46 PM.. |
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H4350 is a temperature stable powder and has a burn rate that matches the cartridge/bullet combos is use which are all very similar.
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Yes these are competitors, and yes they are sponsored, but keep in mind that they are without a doubt professionals. The reason they use 6mm is because of the advantages that those cartridges offer. It's not that they can't shoot a 308 with skill, but if two guys have the same skill level the 6mm will out perform the 308. They are competitors so they look for every available competitive advantage.
Most of these guys could out shoot most of us with factory rifles and "low" end scopes. Also, these types of competitions are not easy. It's not bench shooting. They aren't sitting there with gizmos and iPhones taking their time to make perfect shots. They have to understand the limits of their equipment, and more importantly themselves, under unknown distances, obstacles and time constraints. Discounting the shooter is the same as saying an F1 driver is good because of the car they drive. |
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Snipers
Those guys. Prof Shooters. not snipers
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