Garand prices

[SamGoldstein]

I see a lot of M1 Garands going for more than $1000. In fact, last night on GB, I searched specifically for H&R M1s, knowing they were post war. Still, I saw many at $1000 or more. So why would someone pay that kind of money when the CMP sells service grade for $730? I have an H&R service grade that I want to sell, but I would think selling at or below the CMP is more reasonable. Anyone know?

[Citadelgrad87]

CMP is a great deal BECAUSE the secondary market is hot. Some people think it’s too complicated.

[stevie]

Keep in mind if person does not have C&R and COE the additional costs associated with purchasing Notary, sales tax, DROS, FFL fees for CA anyhow. Price can come close to that $1000.00.

[Gutter]

Korea vs WWII. Complete vs mix-master. Whole lot of variables determine price.

[81turbota]

Put in your packet to get a service grade from CMP. The ones coming from them now are gorgeous!!!

If you sell yours at CMP price you're doing someone a huge favor. As well as missing out on money.

[DennisCA]

Last year I bought a RM1SPECIALFIELD (Price $830) before they sold out. It has a 53' receiver, a new stock and a new barrel. Do I care? Nope - it shoots like a dream!

[SamGoldstein]

Originally Posted by 81turbota

Put in your packet to get a service grade from CMP. The ones coming from them now are gorgeous!!!

If you sell yours at CMP price you're doing someone a huge favor. As well as missing out on money.

Why are they gorgeous? New stocks? New barrels? I sorta prefer historical to gorgeous. Unless you mean gorgeous = historical.

[81turbota]

Originally Posted by SamGoldstein

Why are they gorgeous? New stocks? New barrels? I sorta prefer historical to gorgeous. Unless you mean gorgeous = historical.

USGI, beautiful original condition. I saw two of them from the recent batch, lock bar sights, crisply cartouched wood, nice metal. One was a Winchester too. Did you see this thread?

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1415827

Everyone at WEGC saw Jeff's Garands - those are also from the recent batch I'm talking about.

Obviously I can't guarantee that's what you'll get but what I've been seeing is excellent.

[bigdrunk92037]

Exactly. The tax and the FFL fees add quite a bit to the cost. Still a good deal but...

I ordered 3 M1D’s last year and got crushed by tax and FFL fees. Nothing was cooler than having a Garand shipped to your house and not have to pay tax or FFL or wait 10 freaking days.

Originally Posted by stevie

Keep in mind if person does not have C&R and COE the additional costs associated with purchasing Notary, sales tax, DROS, FFL fees for CA anyhow. Price can come close to that $1000.00.

[SkyHawk]

The last three I got from CMP have been awesome. Beautiful GI wood, low TE/ME and milled parts.

But to the OP question: tax and transfer fee adds up for most people, plus affiliate membership and notary fee/hassle. And you still never know what will show up from The CMP. So for some buyers, it is worth $1000+ in a PPT to know exactly what you are getting and not hassle with the paperwork. And when the CMP does run out, there is always the question of them ever having more again. That is when prices spike north of $1200.

[Bobby Ricigliano]

Originally Posted by Citadelgrad87

Some people think it’s too complicated

I can barely walk and chew gum at the same time and I figured it out.

[rm1911]

The problem if you will with garlands is that there is an absolute fixed number of them. About 6 million were made. Majority before and during WW2. Post war maybe 1.5 million at most. I could look it up but right now am too lazy.

Just wild guesstimating on number lost/destroyed in combat, sent overseas and lost/ruined, etc., cannibalized for parts, etc., but I’d guess there’s 2.5-3 million out there. Sounds like a lot and maybe it is, but it really isn’t that many. I know for sure where 2 Garands are

This means the supply will always be fixed and the price will be set by demand. That’s difficult to ascertain. The internet has helped sellers for sure as now they have a larger market. Basically if someone wants one, then they have to pay for it. And then collectors or shooters have different interests. Neither of mine will appeal to collectors, especially the one rebuilt by Dean’s. I got one of his last rebuilds before he was called up to build garands for the marines guarding the streets of heaven. But that thing can shoot. Oh dear lord, that thing can shoot. Which is what I wanted.

Since there is no substiute for a Garand you either get one or you don’t. If you want one, don’t squabble over a couple of hundred. Because you’ll have one. The problem is for shooters sometimes you need to see it first. Muzzle and throat erosion can be hard to see, unless when it isn’t!!, and an otherwise beautiful rifle will shoot shotgun pattern sized groups.

There won’t be something like a panic pricing with them and I don’t see them turning into python type pricing either. Too many are just what they are, awesome shooters with a heaping serving of history and nostalgia.

Don’t fall into the matching numbers or “value” side of them. Nothing you own or shoot will bring you the fun and satisfaction, and sometimes frustration, of shooting a Garand. Just buy one with the intent to shoot it. Get some mobile 1 synthetic grease, a $8 tube will last 119 years, keep it well lubed, use proper ammo, and enjoy the finest battle implement ever built.

Just for fun...here’s my son at the NRA Whittington center range in raton New Mexico from last year in June.



Yes we could hit the 600 yd steel. No we couldn’t hit the buffalo. But damn sure tried plenty!!

[musketjon]

You don't need expensive grease for the M1. Get a 1lb tub of Walmart wheel bearing grease for about $5. It'll run your rifle like a Swiss watch and last at least 10 lifetimes. To an M1, grease is grease is grease. Yes, I use Walmart grease on all of mine and have NEVER had problem one
Jon

[eighteenninetytwo]

Being a non citizen means I cant do the CMP thing. there are bound to be a few more of me out there. Desperately want one of the 7.62 x 51 Garands too

[Danodog]

I bought an H&R Special .308 Garand because I didn’t want to add another caliber. It was about $1000 and something out the door. I sold a GP100 and ponied up some hard to find cash to get the rest. No regrets what so ever. It brings a smile to my face each time I shoot it. I am not a collector and have no interest in another Garand. The one I have is enough.

[Orlando]

Originally Posted by musketjon

You don't need expensive grease for the M1. Get a 1lb tub of Walmart wheel bearing grease for about $5. It'll run your rifle like a Swiss watch and last at least 10 lifetimes. To an M1, grease is grease is grease. Yes, I use Walmart grease on all of mine and have NEVER had problem one
Jon

Exactly, spending $$$ on small tubes so called high tech gun grease is not necessary and a waste of money

[Bobby Ricigliano]

Originally Posted by Orlando

Exactly, spending $$$ on small tubes so called high tech gun grease is not necessary and a waste of money

I think many Garand owners use Lubriplate. It was recommended to me when I got my first Garand and I have been using the same tub for a few years now that I ordered from Brownells. I even made the rookie mistake of overgreasing at first. The rifle lets you know when you use too much because it flings it back into your face as it cycles. No malfunctions though!!

[alpha_romeo_XV]

Originally Posted by rm1911

Just for fun...here’s my son at the NRA Whittington center range in raton New Mexico from last year in June.

Da'amn that's a beautiful range. Just a couple more years to retire then get out of CA and move somewhere that has ranges like that.

[bubbapug1]

There are ranges like that about 15 minutes out of San Diego. It's called camp
Pendleton. The rub is you have to shoot in matches, not random practice.

Check out the Santa margarita gun club. They have a sub forum here on calguns. Send ditchdigger a pm. He will get you lined out.

[musketjon]

Originally Posted by bubbapug1

There are ranges like that about 15 minutes out of San Diego. It's called camp
Pendleton. The rub is you have to shoot in matches, not random practice.

Check out the Santa margarita gun club. They have a sub forum here on calguns. Send ditchdigger a pm. He will get you lined out.

Just don't plan on shooting 30-06 there any where. Seriously, they banned 30-06 last June.
Jon

[knucklehead0202]

Garands are overpriced and always have been. Good guns but not much better than their contemporaries and certainly less rare. Never understood the price disparity, especially since they were made here and other, cheaper rifles had to travel across the globe to be sold here. I would like to own and shoot one, but the price just makes it not worthwhile. Only "american" rifle i own is a Steven .22 from the '40s. Got a ton of other countries' c&r rifles because they are neat and were priced right. U.S. rifles have never been a good deal in my lifetime and don't do anything better than the others.

[peppermintman]

Originally Posted by alpha_romeo_XV

Da'amn that's a beautiful range. Just a couple more years to retire then get out of CA and move somewhere that has ranges like that.

Move out of California?! Why? That is a nice range kinda reminds me of Oaktree by Magic Mountain.
It's chilly here but not freezing cold. I'm staying !

[musketjon]

Originally Posted by peppermintman

Move out of California?! Why? That is a nice range kinda reminds me of Oaktree by Magic Mountain.
It's chilly here but not freezing cold. I'm staying !

Probably for the same reasons I am.
First it's too damned expensive to live here, we have Jerry Brown in power, and most importantly (to me, any way), Cali is no longer gun-friendly. I tell every one I know that I'm leaving California and moving to The United States.
Jon

[aghauler]

Originally Posted by musketjon

Probably for the same reasons I am.
First it's too damned expensive to live here, we have Jerry Brown in power, and most importantly (to me, any way), Cali is no longer gun-friendly. I tell every one I know that I'm leaving California and moving to The United States.
Jon

Thought I'd never leave Kommiefornica after 67 years, was settled into Tahoe for the last 46 years and doing well with job in Carson City and wife was employed as a school nurse making more money than me. She wouldn't commute up the hill (due to snow) to work so we stayed and I commuted to the Med center in Carson City.
After heart attacks #2 and #3 plus a near fatal bleed out a year later after a routine biopsy (that was scarier than the heart attacks) I decided I wanted to be closer to our daughter who was finishing her medical residency here in Albuquerque, NM. She is now a physician and Assistant Professor at the U of NM School of Medicine. So if anything happens to me now that's where I'll be at and have at least a chance to say goodbye which is all I wanted. That was my biggest motivator to get out of CA, besides the politics and no longer being allowed to work, or deal with snow etc, per doctors orders. Plus her husband is an engineer for a big defense contractor and they said they will never move back to Kommifornica.

Some will never leave and I can understand why, some can't wait to get out usually job or retirement related or in our case family related.

[Erichp]

Its great to hear they still have nice ones. And folks here Have been lucky enough to get them with there messages about running out.
I have to caution anyone who reads this thread with the awesome reports that the order time and delay means you are getting an entirely different batch.
At the end of day, CMP is completely luck of the draw. I ordered two service grade specials (matching collector grade metal) and received complete garbage. One had heavy gouging on the receiver heel as if a belt sander with 80 grit was taken too it. And one defective new Cmp stock from the clowns at Boyd that did not cut the op rod channel all the way.
Cmp does not replace stocks and Boyds would not stand behind their junk product saying it CMP's fault.
After 3 exchanges I got 1 decent rifle. Had to buy a new stock. There grading appears to be based on spinning a wheel. And the build their rifles while teaching armoror classes, which would explain how I received a completely non functional rifle as they could spend 30 seconds to function check an op rod.
Just wanted to offer another very real possibility if you decide to play the CMP lottery.
I dont play any longer

[userformerlyknownasfitty]

Originally Posted by stevie

Keep in mind if person does not have C&R and COE the additional costs associated with purchasing Notary, sales tax, DROS, FFL fees for CA anyhow. Price can come close to that $1000.00.

Was more like ~$850 for me, but of course some people have limited choices of ffls and usually if that is the case, than transfer fees are around $100 which would make your statement true.

[smle-man]

Originally Posted by musketjon

Just don't plan on shooting 30-06 there any where. Seriously, they banned 30-06 last June.
Jon

Why was that cartridge specifically banned?

[alpha_romeo_XV]

The Santa Margarita club web site shows no matches for 2018 yet, seems they're kind of in limbo.
Regarding 30'06 I wonder if its a spent brass issue. Lots of 5.56 and 7.62 NATO brass on the ranges and '06 no longer a std USMC round so require separating before recycle? But then what about a JCGarand or a vintage bolt match?

[musketjon]

It's because of what is known as SDZ--Surface Danger Zone. Apparently the Corps thinks the 30-06 caries too far--and with that I would have to agree but what they don't seem to remember, or care to over look is the fact that when those ranges were built, what was the standard service round? Do they have ANY idea how many millions of said round have been fired there? Talk about ignorance.
Jon

[musketjon]

SMGC's "license" (what ever that is) expired on Sept 28th last year. SMGC is supposedly in negotiations with Pendleton about it. The plan (more like hope) was to be up and running by the end of January. They've got less than a week left. I'm not holding my breath.
Jon

[Blade Gunner]

Originally Posted by SamGoldstein

Why are they gorgeous? New stocks? New barrels? I sorta prefer historical to gorgeous. Unless you mean gorgeous = historical.

Battle scars rock.

[beerman]

I get a gleam in my eye and the warm feeling of AMERICA everytime I hold an M1 Garand....and yea, I know where John was from.

[sigstroker]

Originally Posted by eighteenninetytwo

Being a non citizen means I cant do the CMP thing. there are bound to be a few more of me out there. Desperately want one of the 7.62 x 51 Garands too

Even for citizens like me it's not so easy. They used to accept a drivers license as ID. Then places like California come along and issue DL's to everyone and their ten cousins. Now CMP insists on documentation that I don't have.

[wpage]

There is no gun like the m1 garand. A great shooter that goes on on on... One of a kind loading. Accurate, reliable...
Not inexpensive. But what quality gun is ?

[aklon]

It seems to me that if this country was serious about the Second Amendment, the government would issue a new M1 and 500 rounds of ammunition to every citizen upon their 21st birthday.

[navydad2010]

Originally Posted by aklon

It seems to me that if this country was serious about the Second Amendment, the government would issue a new M1 and 500 rounds of ammunition to every citizen upon their 21st birthday.

Smells like FREEDOM!!

[MasterChief]

This is one reason why the M1 is so revered:

[Orlando]

Originally Posted by aklon

It seems to me that if this country was serious about the Second Amendment, the government would issue a new M1 and 500 rounds of ammunition to every citizen upon their 21st birthday.

[Orlando]

Originally Posted by sigstroker

Even for citizens like me it's not so easy. They used to accept a drivers license as ID. Then places like California come along and issue DL's to everyone and their ten cousins. Now CMP insists on documentation that I don't have.

Its not that difficult

Birth certificate (U.S. only)
• U.S. Passport (identification page only)
• Proof of U.S. Naturalization
• or any official government document that shows birth in the U.S. or otherwise states
citizenship as U.S. A drivers license is proof of age, but IS NOT proof of U.S. citizenship.

[mj1]

Sam everything was cheaper yesterday. Get over it. Pay and play or move out of the way.