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Old 10-11-2018, 11:41 AM
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Its a Vortex 4x16x44 Viper HST (MRAD). I like it tracks well.



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I have taken it out to 1300 yards successfully and looking toward the 1 mile shot here in the next few weeks.
Nice!! Where you testing out to 1300yds?
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Nice!! Where you testing out to 1300yds?
We have a spot in the Arizona near the California boarder.
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We have a spot in the Arizona near the California boarder.


We’ll have to have a meetup out there sometime in the future. After hunting season though.
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Hey Norcalfocus, you live out near Cowtown. Ever been there? How is it? Seems like there's a lot of PRS-type activity there.
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Hey Norcalfocus, you live out near Cowtown. Ever been there? How is it? Seems like there's a lot of PRS-type activity there.
Never been there. I don't want to pay to play at their range. I would love to try PRS matches, but my kids sports take up most of my weekends right now. So I stick to shooting in the desert on public land.
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We have a spot in the Arizona near the California boarder.
Private or public land? What are you shooting at paper or steel?
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Old 10-15-2018, 12:58 AM
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OP, new youtoob on scopes in your price range:

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Great video! Thanks!
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So I had to re-evaluate my situation. Had a crap ton of money go out ($5k Jeep parts) and I might need to scale back my budget. I am glad I actually got the KRG bravo since I saved a few hundred off the top. I am hoping for some updated info on scope choice as this is my biggest expense. I also think that the locations I will go out to and budget will keep me withing the 3-500 yard range. But this is only a consideration at this point. What recommendations would be advised if I had to take the budget minded path?
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Again, you never said what kind of shooting you will be doing. If you're just shooting off a bench, or prone, at paper or steel, not in matches, a fixed 10x like the $300 SWFA will be fine. You can just slap your barreled action into the chassis until you can afford a new barrel. When it gets hot, just let it cool off.

If your shooting is more dynamic, like PRS-type, or a sniper type match, or silhouette, you want a variable power with a more versatile reticle, like a Primary Arms with ACSS reticle. About the same price range as the SWFA.
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For a rifle that will be shot at a bench mostly and weight is not of concern, the Nikon Black is tough to beat for entry level FFP scopes. I just scope shopping myself today and I looked through a Nikon FX1000 4-16x50 SFP scope and was impressed. It was only $500 too! Both of these scopes are a bit larger, but again bench gun vs a hunting gun.

https://www.nikonsportoptics.com/en/...Tabs-TechSpecs

I ended up buying a Vortex HS-T 4-16x44. Its a smaller bodied scope and I felel it will fit my needs for a hunting rifle better.
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Again, you never said what kind of shooting you will be doing. If you're just shooting off a bench, or prone, at paper or steel, not in matches, a fixed 10x like the $300 SWFA will be fine. You can just slap your barreled action into the chassis until you can afford a new barrel. When it gets hot, just let it cool off.

If your shooting is more dynamic, like PRS-type, or a sniper type match, or silhouette, you want a variable power with a more versatile reticle, like a Primary Arms with ACSS reticle. About the same price range as the SWFA.
I'll be mostly learning the basics. For the most part, I will likely setup in the desert. I plan on setting up steel, but would like to progress to paper punching. I expect that mostly prone on a mat.
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You can get the Burris XTR-II for under $1000.

First focal plane reticle
Matched turrets and ranging reticle (MRAD/MIL and MOA versions)
34mm tube body
Adjustable elevation zero stop
10 MIL/REV turret adjustments with crisp hard clicks and aggressive knurling

Really well-designed, really feature-packed.

The glass quality is where they cut corners. Not the sharpest image (about as sharp as the first generation Vortex Viper PST) and there is some noticeable chromatic aberration in 1 of the 3 XTR-II scopes that I have. I'm sure if I sent it back Burris they would make it right, but the it is mounted to a rifle that is shooting so well right now I'll just leave it as-is until I re-barrel.

Another good choice in the sub-$1000 range is the Athlon Ares 4.5-27x50. Or in the around-$1000 range the Athlon Ares ETR 4.5-30x56. Just wait for a 5-10% coupon code at Optics Planet.
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I'll be mostly learning the basics. For the most part, I will likely setup in the desert. I plan on setting up steel, but would like to progress to paper punching. I expect that mostly prone on a mat.
The 10x SWFA would probably work. The cost is low because a fixed power is simpler to manufacture. It's semi-famous as being the design the Navy SEALs used to use. Search on youtube on TiborasaurusRex's channel for the story on it.
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The 10x SWFA would probably work. The cost is low because a fixed power is simpler to manufacture. It's semi-famous as being the design the Navy SEALs used to use. Search on youtube on TiborasaurusRex's channel for the story on it.
5 years ago there was nothing that competed with the SWFA for $300. Today there is several scopes in that price range that offer more.

If you want to go to that price range, the Vrotex Diamond back Tactical is a FFP 6-24 power for $370. Well worth the extra money.
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Heh, I am looking at that one for myself. I didn't want to recco it because I haven't seen very many credible reviews on it. I have seen a criticism of it having a small eyebox, but I haven't seen one in real life to verify. I like that the reticle is etched into the glass, unusual in this price range. OP can save a few bucks by getting the 4-16x version.

Another scope I've seen get good reviews is the Falcon Menace, which is a UK company. SWFA is out of stock though, and I think they're the only US importer.

Another one with possibilities is Tract. Their top-line Toric has gotten rave reviews because of it's Schott glass and being built in Japan. Their prices are fairly low because they only sell direct. No idea how much the goodness translates into their cheaper scopes, but they might be out of OP's budget anyway. I think their cheapest Schott scopes are 500-600 bucks.
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I have seen a criticism of it having a small eyebox, but I haven't seen one in real life to verify.
That's going to be the case with most 6-24's with 1" and 30mm tubes.
It's a matter of size of the optics and the high magnification that creates the small eyebox.

Take the objective diameter in mm and divide it by the max magnification.
The smaller the number, the smaller the eyebox.
Going up in optics diameters or down in magnification is the solution.
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That's kind of discouraging. The Vortex PST Gen 2 5-25x50 has similar dimensions but costs about $1000. Things wouldn't get appreciably better until I spent around 2 grand for a 34mm?
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That's kind of discouraging. The Vortex PST Gen 2 5-25x50 has similar dimensions but costs about $1000. Things wouldn't get appreciably better until I spent around 2 grand for a 34mm?
Which makes me wonder if the PST is worth it at that price point.
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Which makes me wonder if the PST is worth it at that price point.


Why are you buying a scope?

Make a list of what you are looking for first.

Things like tracking, easy reliable turrets that you can work while the glass, something the scale works at all zoom ratios might be on that list. Maybe it is the reticle you like, elevation availability, FOV etc. prioritize it. Then you can filter by price.

What you’ll find is that the choices start to become relatively easy. One might be to put something on a charge card or simply wait.


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If you want to go to that price range, the Vrotex Diamond back Tactical is a FFP 6-24 power for $370. Well worth the extra money.
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Heh, I am looking at that one for myself. I didn't want to recco it because I haven't seen very many credible reviews on it.
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One strange thing is the very small windage/elevation range. That combined with the small eyebox comments almost makes you think they put all the lenses in a 1 inch tube and put the whole shebang inside a 30mm tube.
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That's kind of discouraging. The Vortex PST Gen 2 5-25x50 has similar dimensions but costs about $1000. Things wouldn't get appreciably better until I spent around 2 grand for a 34mm?
You can get into a Bushnell HDMR 34mm tube scope for around $1200 if you look around...
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One strange thing is the very small windage/elevation range. That combined with the small eyebox comments almost makes you think they put all the lenses in a 1 inch tube and put the whole shebang inside a 30mm tube.
That's how low cost 30mm scopes are built.
Open up any of the Chinese 30mm scopes and then open up the same magnification 1" scope and you find the same size erector assembly inside.
They usually do it to increase erector travel so the turrets can move the erector more.
When you get to 34mm, you have room for larger optics AND larger travel.
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