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View Poll Results: What are your feelings about Front Sight?
Great Training for Beginners Only. 72 8.07%
Great Training Beginner and Advanced. 604 67.71%
The Quality of Training is Going Down Hill. 19 2.13%
I paid too much for my Membership! 40 4.48%
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Old 09-22-2018, 5:41 AM
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Damon, should be nice weather then and hopefully your son enjoys the course.

I'm here this weekend and I think the heat is keeping people away. Only 227 students on property.
Yesterday was hot but wasn't that bad and should be a high of 96 today.

I think October to mid Nov is a sweet spot for classes this time of year but you never really know what you'll get.
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Will be out with our group again (only 14 this time) on the 10/7 for Mondays 4D - DHGC....weather looks good but we moved it up from the middle of Nov - gets cool in the AM for us Florida boys......always a good time but I like the first two weeks of Nov. best!!
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Old 09-22-2018, 12:41 PM
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I'm signed up for Adv Tactical on 11/30.
Its going to be COLD. (especially for the night shoot)
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I'm signed up for Adv Tactical on 11/30.
Its going to be COLD. (especially for the night shoot)
I will be there along with johnp. Planning on packing lots of handwarmers and a pair of ski gloves.
Froze my *** off during the day last october.
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I'm signed up for Adv Tactical on 11/30.
Its going to be COLD. (especially for the night shoot)

You can always bundle up from the cold of winter, but you can't strip down enough in the heat of summer LOL.

The saving grace of winter classes is the earlier darkness for the night portion. In my last Tact HG/ Adv Tact HG in May, we didn't finish until 10 pm because it wasn't dark until 8 pm. Then you're expected back at the range at 7:45 am the next day. If I were 20 something, that wouldn't have been an issue

I'll be at the December class. I might skip the Tact HG night class, but Adv Tact HG night class was way too fun to miss.
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Be there next week for a private class, just noticed FS now offers a 1 day Precision Rifle skill builder class.
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Be there next week for a private class, just noticed FS now offers a 1 day Precision Rifle skill builder class.
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Old 10-03-2018, 11:27 AM
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Flying out Sunday for a 4 Day with our group - weather looks great and should be lots of fun as always......
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I'm back this weekend as well. Weather should be nice, maybe even some light showers
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Old 10-05-2018, 3:51 AM
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Well I told you so, now IP says he was scammed out of the money to build the FS mega range. So now I need you to give me money for the lawyers to fight him the scammer. If you have not seen it you will it will be in your email. I told you you would not get anything and I was right. One scam after another.
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Well I told you so, now IP says he was scammed out of the money to build the FS mega range. So now I need you to give me money for the lawyers to fight him the scammer. If you have not seen it you will it will be in your email. I told you you would not get anything and I was right. One scam after another.
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Would you like to add some contact to that statement or post the email? I havenít heard of it.
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Would you like to add some contact to that statement or post the email? I havenít heard of it.
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Old 10-05-2018, 2:50 PM
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Never mind. Email finally ended up in my in box.
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Old 10-05-2018, 3:11 PM
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so Here is the deal. Iggy got duped and he is trying to raise more money. Got it. Buy in is cheap and come with Iggy bucks I can’t spend.

All in all I have less than $1000 into my membership and upgrades over time. I have received more than that back in training. No matter how slick of a salesman he is the folks and the training there is great. Personally I don’t care if a resort gets built. I care about the training all else is just gravey.

I think he puts himself at risk due to the language in the email but it helps to generate money. All in all he should feel foolish to be strung out for that kind of money but the construction business is filled with liars and thieves. He got burned and it is not his normal business so I understand. Hope they can prevail if this is the case but it will be tied up in litigation for years.

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Old 10-05-2018, 5:32 PM
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Old 10-05-2018, 9:20 PM
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https://www.frontsight.com/enemy/
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Old 10-06-2018, 4:54 AM
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Go to Gun Site, I have been there and that is the only place I will go or Thunder Ranch anymore. In one visit I learned more that was relevant than a 1/2 dozen trips to FS. FS instructors are trained by FS many are young and no real experience in real life use of deadly force. All Gunsite instructors are retired LE or Military and special ops.with many times to afghanistan and more. FS served its purpose for me I went there tons but I out grew it. None of this stupid stepping to the side crap and other bull crap. FS is and always will be a scam as is proven this week. If any one believes IP was scammed them you believe that his phone break down from to many calls as he has said numerous times. You can get 2 lbs of cheep coffee for $2 or 1/2 lb for $3 of good coffee. If numbers is what you want fine. If you go to FS for 4 days I doubt with travel food and hotels you only have a $1000 in your training. IP is a scam artist I do not support scam artist. This last I was scammed and I need your money now to fight for you is BS. FS has no credibility and that is sad it did when I first joined 15 years ago. I do not tell people I am a life time member like I did years ago. I do not were the clothing I have and plan to sell it on ebay. I am proud to were my Gun Site hat and shirt. IP i think knows things are bad. Its a ponzi scheme and he is running out of new member to support it. But he does not care he made millions off it and can just walk away with no regrets and that is what he is going to do you just wait. He is setting the stage. Read the email. I was right when I said this was going to happen years ago and I am right now. Sorry
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Old 10-06-2018, 8:49 AM
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Some of these points I'll ceed to you. Yes it may be a scam, but it has some pretty good facilities. I don't think that what they train you on will get you killed. Are they walmart in some respect. Sure.

One thing is I am not the best shooter and if I struggle on their stuff how worse will I do elsewhere. I have a lot of work to do.

One thing I think you miss but is that IGGY has two things going for him that most don't see and no one else can't touch.

Childcare and a family atmosphere. These are HUGE. I wouldn't be attending if it weren't for this. The fact that I can focus on shooting and not have to deal with my kid is awesome. It finally got me out to be able to attend a school period/ I plan on attending gun site but it won't be until my kids get older and I can put them through. Till then Front sight is the best and about the only option some folks have.
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This is crazy. It what FS has childcare? For how old? Link please
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Do not forget Gun Site trained IP, He went there dozens of times. One of my last instructors at GS was one of his trainers. GS and Thunder ranch are set up for beginner to berzerk. There were some people who were not much above beginner in my last class but they took off and became incredible shooters at the end. They separated us with in the 25 into groups of like shooters. We were all in the same line but got attention at different levels. I do not need to waste time doing mag swaps, first I can do that at home until I am great at it. I do not have a moving targets or shooting houses and that what we do a ton of. Also the average exchange of gun fore is 2.3 rounds in 1.5 seconds. If i need to go to a second mag sh#t has hit the fan and I would be worried where my 14 fyers went? The focus is hitting your target not dancing after each pair of shots something only IP does. Like you I got my moneys worth as many times I went to FS but have out grown it. I want to shoot fast and accurate and understand combat. This cannot be taught except by people who have been there done that, I do not want to learn theory I want to learn from some one who has done it and been shot at. All the instructors at GS have walked the walk. I was taught things I never was taught at FS ways to hold the gun better and theory of point shooting and much more. FS has to get as many people through the door as possible to keep the PS going. GS is booked every year way in advance even at the price. See if you are really good at what you are doing people will pay for quality. FS is a faint print of what it was. Example every lane and ever class had turning targets when I was there. FS bragged about it. Until they were expanding and the ranges cost to much. Then they installed ranges with out turning targets, since all did not have them only advanced classes got them, then they said they were not needed. Well GS does all training on turning targets and it's a hell of a lot harder but more realistic. It all: do you want 10 bottles of cheap wine or 2 bottles of fine wine.
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This is crazy. It what FS has childcare? For how old? Link please
https://www.frontsight.com/courses/c...training-2.asp

5-12years of age. PM and I can give more details on their program
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Is there a way to pay for another member's background check online or is it only done by contacting FS?

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You will need to call them. (702) 837-7433. You can use your credits also.
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w00dmaster, I browsed the gunsite and thunder ranch websites. Are their price tags accurate? I mean, FS advertises multiple $100's to $1000's per class, but w/ the cheap memberships out there.... bang for your buck, 10 bottles of cheap wine will get you drunk 5x more than 2 bottles of fine wine... can't be blowing ALL my money on fine wine
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If a friend came to you and said they were considering doing business with any other outfit with a history like FS, people here would be thumping their chests and saying, "I wouldn't support a business like that just on general principles." This latest scam of him saying he was scammed really takes the cake.
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There is no prestige in saying your a fs member, there was at one time but not any more. It has been one scan after another. Mustard said: money cheap was the deal for him, more is better. You his typical customer, I say customer, because if you think you are going to get your credits, you name on pole, or ever get ownership of FS you're an idiot. I been waiting 16 years for just my name engraved as a founding member. He has become a millionaire by taking money from you guys who are satisfied with drinking MD 20/20 just as long you get a lot of it. I agree with sg29736, he is a scoundrel , and a liar. This: I am scammed is a scam, and you who drink the cool aid don't care because you feel your a man on top of a big hill because by FS std you a good shooter there. Well go to Gun Site and you will soon see you are a little man standing on a little hill. I left GS knowing I am coming back, and shot better than I ever did at FS ever. If you guys were at FS when I was and saw what he has stopped doing, turning targets, free manuals and lots more you would see that this was all about money and that's why with your money he has built 3 million plus dollar homes. He has never delivered his promises and why should he. He has a never ending supply of MD 20/20 drinkers. I would rather go to GS once ever 3 years than 3 times to FS. You will never understand if you like lots of MD 20/20. Sad.
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There is no prestige in saying your a fs member, there was at one time but not any more. It has been one scan after another. Mustard said: money cheap was the deal for him, more is better. You his typical customer, I say customer, because if you think you are going to get your credits, you name on pole, or ever get ownership of FS you're an idiot. I been waiting 16 years for just my name engraved as a founding member. He has become a millionaire by taking money from you guys who are satisfied with drinking MD 20/20 just as long you get a lot of it. I agree with sg29736, he is a scoundrel , and a liar. This: I am scammed is a scam, and you who drink the cool aid don't care because you feel your a man on top of a big hill because by FS std you a good shooter there. Well go to Gun Site and you will soon see you are a little man standing on a little hill. I left GS knowing I am coming back, and shot better than I ever did at FS ever. If you guys were at FS when I was and saw what he has stopped doing, turning targets, free manuals and lots more you would see that this was all about money and that's why with your money he has built 3 million plus dollar homes. He has never delivered his promises and why should he. He has a never ending supply of MD 20/20 drinkers. I would rather go to GS once ever 3 years than 3 times to FS. You will never understand if you like lots of MD 20/20. Sad.
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"Through your User Control Panel: User CP, Settings & Options, Edit Ignore List. Then, type their name into the empty text box and click 'Okay'."

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I am sure some of your points are valid. I do think the instructors their do a good job.
You do have to think when a site is as big as it is then some things have to be given up such as turning targets.
I liked shooting on them. But from what I gather most classes are on a square range with non turning targets.
Iím sure other schools are better as they will have a better student to instructor level. They ha e more time to focus on the student.
Like I said I look forward going to gunsite but it will be a while. In the mean time it is Front Sight for me and many others
Yes I wish Iggy wouldnít do crap like this. It takes away from what he has. I am sure he knows but makes plenty of money from what he does.
I take what I can from it and I have seen an improvement and look to improve even more when I go somewhere else. But as long as his doors are open Iíll continue to go and have fun because no matter what I have seen improvement every time I leave. When I do t then it is time to look elsewhere.
You may be a better shooter and not need what they are selling. I suck but am improving. That said I think most folks will continue to attend until they canít.
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That said I think most folks will continue to attend until they canít.
This is it for me. Too busy/far/expensive to hit up gunsite or thunder ranch (I will definitely add it to my list though). FS is too close/convenient/cheap to turn it down.

For the foreseeable future, destination gun training is how I vacation. Screw the usual sightseeing like hawaii or europe, I wanna get my pewpew on someday I'll have a stable enough job where I can plan vacation months in advance to get in line for a specific venue. For now, diamond membership
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I agree with you guys and understand. I just do not think FS will be around in the future. Too many free classes and $50 lifetime memberships. He needs huge steady flow of new students at a ridiculously low price. If he is being sued that is not going to help. He already has large pay outs he has not settled. It really is a ponzi scheme at that price. He will never raise the 75 million he said he was supposed to get from this guy work and be able to pay it back with $50-100 lifetime memberships. Hewe charges more for a phony background check. By the way the other guys do not do $150 background checks actually none at all. IP even BG checks Cops that go there its a scam. I am glad you are happy just wanted you guys to know about the latest scam.
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I agree with you guys and understand. I just do not think FS will be around in the future. Too many free classes and $50 lifetime memberships. He needs huge steady flow of new students at a ridiculously low price. If he is being sued that is not going to help. He already has large pay outs he has not settled. It really is a ponzi scheme at that price. He will never raise the 75 million he said he was supposed to get from this guy work and be able to pay it back with $50-100 lifetime memberships. Hewe charges more for a phony background check. By the way the other guys do not do $150 background checks actually none at all. IP even BG checks Cops that go there its a scam. I am glad you are happy just wanted you guys to know about the latest scam.
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"Through your User Control Panel: User CP, Settings & Options, Edit Ignore List. Then, type their name into the empty text box and click 'Okay'."

Also, as everyone knows, Mad Dog 20/20 gets better the more you drink and as a bonus, you get better looking with each glass!
I don't block him as it is fun to read w00dy's posts. I need a laugh once in a while.

But when I really want to LOL, I read AKfiles GD forum and read about all the posts on India. Those guys are a riot.
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Go ahead block me I really do not care, I know a lot of people go here before they make their decision to join, some one has to tell them what they are getting into so they do not buy in with serious money. They sure will not see that from the love fest most of you guys have while your hugging each other about how great FS is to you. The training is out dated and you guys will never know that as its the only place you go. I do not fault you as you know only the FS way.
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Does anyone offer certificates. For private training? My wife is out of town in November and I want to take a practical rifle course but itís not offered the weekend I can go. 😟
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I have the same question as above. I am a member and have been three times but do not have the private training level. How can I get private training certs for my wife and I?
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