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Old 10-20-2018, 3:48 AM
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What are the benefits in CA in having a COE / FFL 3 License?
So far, here is what I gather from the feedback:
1. Recieve Ammo Delivery by mail.
2. Exempt from 1 in 30 handgun purchases. So I can buy more than 1 pistol in a 30 day period.

Anyother benefits?

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Exempt from 1 in 30 handgun purchases.
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It's more so avoiding the 10 day wait now that you can't have long guns shipped to your home apparently. That and the ammo shipping and 1 in 30 handgun exemptions.
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Edit I see the issue based on your Weiner comparison to Kavanaugh signature. For the record Kavanaugh should not be in prison he did nothing wrong. Weiner was convicted.

His question was why the need for a COE if you have a FFL03. NOT why get a FFL03. At least that is my reading of it.

The reason to still require a COE is so the state has a record and they can one day use that to confiscate. Don't think so see NY.

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I clarified my question (see above), with a COE/FFL03 - What benefits do I have with a COE/FFL03? Sorry for any confusion.
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Cash and carry C&R long guns from private parties in CA.
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OP, here's another one: Although an FFL03 is not a "dealer" license, some online vendors will give you dealer pricing if you send them a copy.
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What are the benefits in CA in having a COE / FFL 3 License?
So far, here is what I gather from the feedback:
1. Recieve Ammo Delivery by mail.
2. Exempt from 1 in 30 handgun purchases. So I can buy more than 1 pistol in a 30 day period.

Anyother benefits?
Under CA laws...

Exemptions for a CA resident with a valid C&R 03-FFL and valid COE:
1. No 10 day waiting period when acquiring a C&R firearm from a CA FFL dealer. [PC 27670]
2. No 1 in 30 day wait on handguns. [PC 27535(b)(9)]
3. Can be used as proof of CA residency. [PC 26845(b) & 11 CCR 4045 d.1.]
4. When acquiring C&R firearms, it is an exemption to needing a valid Firearm Safety Certificate. [PC 31700(a)(6)]
5. When acquiring C&R firearms, it is an exemption to needing to do a safe handling demonstration. [PC 26850(h) & 26860(g)]
6. Acquiring a C&R long gun inside of CA without needing to utilize a CA FFL dealer. [PC 27966]
7. Acquiring ammunition from another exempt person without needing to utilize a CA DOJ licensed ammunition vendor. [PC 30312(c)(6)]
9. Either online or in person, importing ammunition acquired out-of-state without needing to utilize a CA DOJ licensed ammunition vendor. [PC 30312(c)(6) & 30314(b)(5)]

Exemptions for a CA resident with a valid C&R 03-FFL:
1. Importing a C&R firearm that they physically acquire while outside of CA without needing to utilize a CA FFL dealer. [PC 27585(b)(1) & 27565]
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Can a C&R FFL03 holder still ship firearm to FFL dealer outside of state?
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Can a C&R FFL03 holder still ship firearm to FFL dealer outside of state?
Anybody can ship a firearm to a FFL dealer out of state.
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On a C&R purchase with a FFL03, I am aware that I can bypass a DROS at a FFL01 for a sale between another CA resident and myself and will need to report and pay CA DOJ within 30 days.

If I purchase out of state, I know reporting and payment is to CA DOJ within 5 days.

However, how does it work if an out of state resident personally brings a C&R rifle (non-assault - 1915 pump 22 cal) into the state for the purpose of sale? Does this person have to meet the CA FFL03 buyer at a FFL01 and have the sale DROSed instead of handled directly with the FFL03's bound book?
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On a C&R purchase with a FFL03, I am aware that I can bypass a DROS at a FFL01 for a sale between another CA resident and myself and will need to report and pay CA DOJ within 30 days.

If I purchase out of state, I know reporting and payment is to CA DOJ within 5 days.

However, how does it work if an out of state resident personally brings a C&R rifle (non-assault - 1915 pump 22 cal) into the state for the purpose of sale? Does this person have to meet the CA FFL03 buyer at a FFL01 and have the sale DROSed instead of handled directly with the FFL03's bound book?
No. Cash and carry, enter it in Bound Book, send in BOF-961 form.
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Thank you for the info.

All references I could find were about C&R with another CA resident or picking up a C&R out of state. Nowhere could I find a reference to an out of state owner (non resident) bringing in a rifle that was then acquired by a FFL03 without DROS. It was a strange silence or absence of info.
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AR Frog, keep in mind that for all handgun purchases, modern and C&R, in California, a FFL01 or 7 must conduct the transfer. Only long gun C&R can be purchased directly by C&R+COE buyer.
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Under CA laws...

Exemptions for a CA resident with a valid C&R 03-FFL and valid COE:

6. Acquiring a C&R long gun inside of CA without needing to utilize a CA FFL dealer. [PC 27966]

Exemptions for a CA resident with a valid C&R 03-FFL:
sorry for digging up an old thread guys. I have a CC&R rifle, that I'm selling to a guy that has his FFL3 & COE, what forms if any do I need to transfer the rifle to him?
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sorry for digging up an old thread guys. I have a CC&R rifle, that I'm selling to a guy that has his FFL3 & COE, what forms if any do I need to transfer the rifle to him?
If you have 03FFL+CoE, he will copy down your name and FFL number.

If you don't have 03FFL+CoE, he will copy down your name, address, and Driver's License number.

That's all there is to it when you sell to a 03FFL+CoE.
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If you have 03FFL+CoE, he will copy down your name and FFL number.

If you don't have 03FFL+CoE, he will copy down your name, address, and Driver's License number.

That's all there is to it when you sell to a 03FFL+CoE.
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Didnt i just read in here about the ammo exemption was clarified that only ffl's that are on the business of buying/selling ammo may receive direct ammo shipping?
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Didnt i just read in here about the ammo exemption was clarified that only ffl's that are on the business of buying/selling ammo may receive direct ammo shipping?
Don't know what you read or what you understand.
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Are there any downsides to getting a 03 and COE? Other than cost.


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Anyone have address to where I mail application for San Bernardino sheriff? I called and lady thought I was talking CCW.
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Anyone have address to where I mail application for San Bernardino sheriff? I called and lady thought I was talking CCW.
Have you tried Google? Or looking at their website? It's listed at the bottom of the following page.
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The State Government will have your fingerprints. I know a guy that refuses to do anything that will give the state his fingerprints, regardless of the benefits it could get him.
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The State Government will have your fingerprints. I know a guy that refuses to do anything that will give the state his fingerprints, regardless of the benefits it could get him.
They required my thumbprint to get a drivers license at the DMV. Does he not drive?
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The State Government will have your fingerprints...
You also have to give a thumbprint to purchase a firearm too. He drives and has purchased firearms. All they have is your thumb, most people have more fingers than just that. But hey don't argue with me about it, talk to him. I have my 03FFL+CoE.
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The State Government will have your fingerprints. I know a guy that refuses to do anything that will give the state his fingerprints, regardless of the benefits it could get him.
Doesn’t it also require a visit to your house (if you don’t have a shop) from an agent, and give them the right to show up unannounced whenever they want as well?
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03FFL & CoE doesn't require a personal interview at your home. I have talked to several persons that have 03FFL and Coe's and they have not had a visit from either CA DOJ nor ATF.
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03FFL & CoE doesn't require a personal interview at your home. I have talked to several persons that have 03FFL and Coe's and they have an countered a visit for either CA DOJ nor ATF.
Friend getting his 03 said they came out twice.


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On a C&R handgun purchase that is out of state (RE: CMP1911) does it exempt me from the 10 day waiting period?
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Doesn’t it also require a visit to your house (if you don’t have a shop) from an agent,
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and give them the right to show up unannounced whenever they want as well?
Only with a warrant or when conducting a separate investigation having nothing to do with your license.
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the COE gives the state the right to nothing. The 03FFL is a Federal license and gives the feds the right to periodically inspect your collection and bound book. It also specifically states you can choose to do the inspection at your home or at their office (you bring your stuff to them). It is rare to be audited as an 03, they don't have much time for that since they are busy auditing 01 and 07 types much more.
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Doesn’t it also require a visit to your house (if you don’t have a shop) from an agent, and give them the right to show up unannounced whenever they want as well?
California's DOJ is not involved with a C&R license. You agree to an audit with the BATF is you apply for a C&R. That audit can take place at your registered address, or the BATF office...and that's your choice, not theirs.


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What about an 07?
Who is the "they" that came out to your friend's place twice??? DOJ or BATF??

An -07 agrees to the same inspections as an -01, usually unannounced, and at the licensed premises.


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No.
Only with a warrant or when conducting a separate investigation having nothing to do with your license.
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If one gets an 03-FFL, does one have to log all currently owned guns, or just the transactions occurring after the FFL has been issued?
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If one gets an 03-FFL, does one have to log all currently owned guns, or just the transactions occurring after the FFL has been issued?
Transaction that have occured once they are issued the 03-FFL.

This includes selling of any C&R firearms that were in inventory prior to obtaining the 03-FFL.
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This includes selling of any C&R firearms that were in inventory prior to obtaining the 03-FFL.
Thanks. I have guns that have been in the family since 1935 and I'm not inclined to log them for anyone unless I transfer them.
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Thanks. I have guns that have been in the family since 1935 and I'm not inclined to log them for anyone unless I transfer them.
It's not required that you log in C&R guns you owned prior to becoming licensed. It's only required to log them in if you dispose of them.
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Can someone please explain what COE means?


I live in Kern county and would like to get whatever the minimum is I need to have ammo shipped directly to me. If that's a COE or an FFL 3.
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Can someone please explain what COE means?

I live in Kern county and would like to get whatever the minimum is I need to have ammo shipped directly to me. If that's a COE or an FFL 3.
Certificate of Eligibility.

You need both the FFL03 (federal) and the COE (state) and a willing seller to have ammo shipped directly to you from out of state.
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Certificate of Eligibility.

You need both the FFL03 (federal) and the COE (state) and a willing seller to have ammo shipped directly to you from out of state.

Understood, thank you!
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