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And, yes... even today, they are still a very good deal for a forged receiver USGI Service Grade M1 Garand. Quote:
Bet on it... GR
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Or they could very well look like this:
As I have said ad nauseum, these are not going to be someones primary shooter. Not everyone thinks that just because you have a particular gun, you have to shoot it. Last edited by highpower; 01-23-2016 at 3:48 AM.. |
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Hum CMP just built a 20 million dollar shooting facility , ya think maybe they have to charge something for these 1911's???\
As far as getting them for free you are incorrect. They have to pay shipping and associated fees to get them from the Army. Then there are costs to warehouse them, insurance, wages for armorers, secratarys, shipping,heat and electric bills. etc ,etc, etc. |
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I won't be getting one. I'll be getting a dozen. Unless they set the limit at one.
Worst case scenario, you get something you could have found on the open market for $1,000. I'm going to say that often you're going to get something better. As has been said, you can't find decent USGI 1911s for under $1,000, and the CMP provenance will only add to the value of these pistols over time.
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YOU think $1,000 is a lot of money! I guess everything, to everyone, has a limit or is relative. Oh well.
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It's Civilian Marksmanship Program not Collector Manipulated Pricing This is nonsense... bordering on Profiteering. GR
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"A fool and his money are soon are soon parted."
This isn't like the Garand, where there is not a superior source commercially. These are rattle-box 1911s which, from a performance standpoint, are inferior to new guns available at half the price. For $1,000, I'd rather buy a Kimber or Springfield Loaded. Collectors, knock yourselves out. But this is NOT what is supposed to be the purpose of the CMP.
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From a value perspective, if you had to decide between a new $700 dollar 1911 and a rattle box 1911 which would you get?
The only people who see value in a rattle box USGI 1911 are collectors. Might as well price it at collector prices. Even then it will sell out quickly. |
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Even More profit for the "non-profit" CMP, right? Since Collectors are the pornographers of Marksmanship, put'em at $2,500... and then sit back and listen to those cackling for a collector bargain puddle their pampers. Absolutely correct.
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I thought the primary purpose of the CMP was to promote gun safety and marskmanship. Selling M1 rifles at reasonable prices that can be shot all day long with no worries about reducing the value is compatible with their mission. Selling heavily worn "safequeen/wallhangers" that only the upper middle class can afford and probably should not be taken out more than once a year for a few rounds, does not sound compatible to the CMP's mission.
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Its probably been asked but how many 1911A1s has colt supplied since the korean war? Were there Vietnam era or later shipments made? I believe most 1911s used during vietnam were WW2 era. It would be nice to get a military marked Vietnam or even DS era Colt if they exist.
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When they start offering them up, your best bet would be to go to the CMP store in Ohio and pick out out right off the shelf. If not, you're going to get whatever they ship you.
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If the pistols do get made available and they are sold you can take it to the bank that anything worth cherry picking is going to be picked and auctioned. CMP will make sure they are safe and serviceable and that's pretty much it, ya they might be "grading" them. They will most likely will have different grades and those different grades will be different prices. I am far more interested in seeing what kind of ammo they might offer than the pistols. I carried a .45 in 2 Theaters of Operation as well as worked on some of them at the AMU at Fort Benning in training to be the Armour at a AMU at Fort Stewart GA and one heck of a lot of them we considered "not very good" in condition. Franken .45's is a fitting term, yep I saw some nice ones but not many that weren't in hands that weren't going to let them go. Those of you that can hardly wait to get one of those .45's should you be able to.......enjoy them.
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I dont think im going to ohio anytime soon.
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Here's the other side I wouldn't be surprised if there was at least one Singer frame and at least one Singer slide among the 100,000 pistols the CMP has. They'll match them up, put them on the CMP Auction, and rake in the money. It goes to a good cause (promoting marksmanship activities).
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Another rare one that was extremely desirable in the area where I lived. The Union Switch and Signal plant that made these was about 10 miles from my house and about 5 miles from the gun shop I worked at in college. When a US&S pistol showed up as a trade in you'd think it was made by Mr. Colt himself. Several passed through the shop in the 3-4 years I worked there which made me wonder if any had left the plant in a lunchbox.
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The CMP gets Government Property, paid for by the Taxpayer, Given to them for liquidation to Marksmanship qualified U.S. citizens.
Who's the entitlement Socialist, Comrade? Collectors are the pornographers of Marksmanship. GR
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Maybe if you write them enough letters they will send you some free ammo too? |
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You are 100% on the money. There's a lot of marksmanship programs out there why should only they get out tax paid for weapons? Yes you are correct I'm no CMP fanboy
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While CMP may not be perfect you guys seem to forget something. If it wasnt for DCM and CMP there would be no Garands, carbines, 1903's etc. etc. etc, on the market. They would have all have gone the way of Captain Crunch and no one would have ever had a chance to buy them
Maybe you should step back and look at the big picture Also these weapons are not given to CMP, there are associated costs 2-3 million dollars paid annually to the Army plus costs to run the organization. To many people speaking untruths and dont know the facts |
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Boy....there sure are a lot of whiny taxpayers who actually paid taxes themselves, for these.45's out there. I never realized there were so many on calguns looking for free handouts that someone else paid for.
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I can't wait to hear the rumors of what the 1911's will auction for. |
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Dig around, you'll see claims of these being paid for by taxpayers, and the CMP shouldn't be making one cent profit on these. So yeah, when you start squawking about taxpayer this or taxpayer that, it just sounds stupid. Where is the relevance at this point, 70 or so years later??? If Obobo or Hildabeast had their way, every single pistols would be fed to Capt. Crunch. The nice or rare pistols will of course be auctioned and will go for stupid money....and the will sell....
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Again this is incorrect, go back and read my posts. There is a large amount of money paid out by CMP for cost sto the Army
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Originally the taxpayer bought them. So what is the deal CMP has with the government? Does CMP buy them directly? I think many would love to know exactly how CMP get the Garands and now will be getting the 1911's. I've been searching for a long time on the way CMP gets the surplus but can't find the information. $1000 for an unknown conditon is kind of high to me. I won't be a buyer unless I know it's not a mix master pistol.
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Can a novice buy vintage 1911's and remix parts? If so, why not buy a dozen pistols, remix parts into a fine example, and sell off the others?
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These 1911's were built specifically as tools to fight in a war, i. e. to be used. Maybe some people see them as museum pieces, but to me, that's dishonouring the gun's purpose. You honour them best by taking them to the range and using them. I know, "Jay Leno and his collector cars" and all that, but this is guns. It's different. I think it'd be great to be able to affordably purchase a USGI 1911 through the CMP. For what they are, $1,000 starting price is not "affordable", compared to the new 1911's available.
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Didn't seem to be many folks working there the time I was in the Ohio store.
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I doubt many will be laid off.
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Gee some people acting as if he CMP was offering us Mana from Heaven, as if no price would be too high. I was hoping for a starting price of 700.00
IMO CMP has gone a little down hill since Orest left. The only reason people think these pistols are worth what they are currently is due to the lack of them in the market. When I was a kid I remember seeing surplus 1911's for $65.00. Now of CMP does start to sell them the market will see 100 K of them eventually hit the market. CMP is relying on the Beanie Baby mentality for sales. Just remember, rarity creates value for collectors. Over time there will be 100k more on the open market, which will decrease the investment value of these pistols. As far as the "piece of history" claim as a value, there is no way of knowing if the pistol saw action or was the side arm for a non combatant. After the two price increases for Ammo, I was done buying from CMP. Although, I did have hope when the possibility of 1911 sales was announced. Last edited by teetsjones; 01-24-2016 at 8:42 PM.. |
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So you all think CMP wouldn't have gouged these guns if Orest was still around? If someone wants to waste their money so be it it is their choice. I'm curious to what they will be auctioning off and at what price.
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'm with Garndimal. The CMP does appear greedy. I look at it this way: The CMP wants to sell me a non-returnable 1911, on a luck of the draw basis, from a cherry picked lot, all at market prices! Not to mention jumping through the CMP hoops to begin with. We also know the 1911 re-arsenal work was not as good as the M1 reworks were. The only good reasons to buy from CMP are convenience and a certificate. Otherwise, the CMP deal poses more of a risk than an opportunity.
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