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New term: Brass-hole
So as a reloader, we all have an affinity for picking up brass.
Most ranges have a policy that you can only pick up your own brass (some more stringent than others) and once the brass is in the range's buckets, it's off limits as the range sells it as another source of revenue. When I'm shooting at the range, it's usually pretty obvious who to my right or left is a reloader. For those who don't reload and it's a caliber I load, I usually ask if they want their brass. More times than not, they say no and have no issues when I ask if they mind if I sweep up what lands near/around my bench. Only once did I have an over zealous RSO ask me if I was sweeping up my own brass. When I informed him the lane next to me said it was fine to sweep their brass he went his way (nothing in a bucket was touched). So today we see this guy. As one of us were shooting, he walks by our lane and starts picking up a few pieces of brass. Wasn't ours, so I didn't pay too much attention (other than we'd seen him before...doing the same thing). Later on, he starts going from bucket to bucket. My group looked at each other and said "WTF?". When he first walked by, he bent down and grabbed a few loose pieces of brass on the concrete. No biggie. This, however, was what I'd consider a blatant no-no by going from bench bucket to bucket and pulling out what looked like large caliber rifle brass (see the full zip lock). Again, not loose brass on the ground, but only brass in the 5 gallon buckets. So, my group tried to come up with a label describing his actions as we've all seen different levels of brass "fans". Seeing a group of shooters sweep all their brass up and dump it in the range bucket is like fingernails across a chalkboard to anyone who reloads. Such a waste (from my personal point of view), but a benefit to the range in the bigger picture. Reloader "greed" to some degree. So, after bouncing around a few labels, we came up with "brass-hole" for what this guy was doing from bench to bench. He spent so much time at our bucket I couldn't believe an RSO didn't see him and I took out my phone and snapped a few pics. Then we took a few more of him working his way down the lane, bucket to bucket filling his mongo ziplock bag. Looks like he had his ninja brass collecting outfit on as well... Last edited by drkphibr; 02-21-2015 at 10:54 PM.. |
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Man... Give the guy credit for being bold. I would of said something to him... Rules are rules.
Maybe he thought it was an Easter egg hunt? |
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He was definitely cherry picking some large caliber brass. Bold to say the least. In hindsight, I should have said something. I was just so caught off guard by how bold his actions were. Next time I will interrupt his bucket brass hunt. I was sure an RSO would say something to him. Made for an interesting twist to an otherwise perfect day at the rage, especially weather wise.
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Do like your name you gave him...
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Most of those guys don't get embarrassed. They think stealing is fine because they're stealing from a company and not a person.
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Waiting for said Brass Hole to show up in this thread and own it
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Such a brass hole! Such a brass whore! hmmmmmmmmm................think brass hole rolls off the tongue better
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Hah that guy has , uh, nerves!
I saw a guy at the indoor range take a broom to sweep up brass from infront of the line before. I thought he was pretty bold, although he was just getting 'his' brass, I figure once it goes past the bench it belongs to the house. You can ask the range guys to buy the brass off them. I have never bothered with it, although I wouldn't mind rifle brass..hmm... |
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Range was packed and the RSOs had their hands full just dealing with the folks trying to follow the rules. With cameras all over the place and the fact this guy is a "regular" (we've seen him on multiple occasions) to some degree, he knows the rules. Such a shame, just like with the laws, there is always someone who feels they don't apply to them or will just ignore them until caught or banned. Simply not worth it in the big picture. He's feeding his "brass addiction" and I have no doubt it will catch up with him at some point. Karma.
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I feel for those as myself that are addicted to brass and reloading, but my guess is that the brass hole isn't a Reloader and just selling online....
Of course if he constantly mumbles to himself as he picks up "shiny, must make shiny my preeecious... Shiny brass, clean, yeeesss..." then he's just a Reloader.... -Hoi |
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I think that the term brass-hole could very well be a street slang term meaning a-hole brass rat that only seeks to grab brass to then turn around and sell it back to folks...
I myself am a brass rat at the indoor range and a brass hound at the outdoor range. The only difference in my opinion is the rat is for a smaller range and the hound has the room to run all over. I am a hound at bee canyon and steele PeakE and a rat at my local indoor range. I think that is a good term for that guy. If you are not shooting then GTFO. At least I will shoot at my local range and then turn around and suck up MOST of my brass. Unless it is 44 mag, then I am straight anal about getting it all or I get mad (internally...). I never fight over brass though since I have a hundred pounds + of it, I still like to grab as much as I can though just cause I like to pick up little shiny things. (thus the RAT in me). If someone next to me at the indoor range is shootiong I will start asking them if they want their brass or not rather then be a recluse with a loud gun in the end stall... Oddly though I DO have a problem with someone that walks over to my area and starts sucking up all of the brass. Currently my only policy is to stare at them and give them a look of disaproval if eye contact is made. It has only almost happened once. One guy was sucking up every piece of brass that hit the floor before it bounced the second time. I referred to him as the hoover vacuum...
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Nice fuzzy surreptitious cell phone pic...
Good thing he didn't catch you taking it.
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Oh, he saw me and I have pics that include his face. If he has no problem doing something he's not supposed to be doing, then I have no issues photographing him in the act. I specifically chose a pic that did not show his face.
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Probably just thought you where sweet on him. Free brass and a secret admirer... Win for him.
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The guy could very well have had permission to grab the brass. When I used to shoot out in Lincoln a couple of the RSO would let me empty the buckets and a few told me no. Most of those RSO take the brass themselves so very little actually make it to the recyclers to make the range money.
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Since there was no expectation of privacy I think it would have been okay.
Might have done some good if he did see him taking his pic, maybe he would have left or toned down his actions a bit...
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I was talking to one of the ROs at Metcalf one day and he told me some guy showed up one day told them he wasn't going to shoot and then proceeded to empty all the brass buckets into his bucket. Now that takes some brass!
But as one who hates to leave a perfectly good case lying there I prefer the term "brass recycler"! |
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Having been a range officer at a public range I called them brass snarfs. Snarf = to grab something in greed, esp. without permission.
Our range collected the brass and did indeed recycle it along with the bullet lead. A 55 gallon drum packed full of brass weighed 550 +/- lbs, so at $1.75 per lb, they ran $962.50 per drum. We sold four drums of brass at a time = $3,850. Which is why the brass drums were kept locked in a shed. We also allowed a local commercial reloader to pick .45 ACP brass which he would return to us as reloads at a wholesale discount that we could sell at retail. Every possible revenue stream offset budget expenses. I really dislike snarfs and scroungers. Last edited by Wrangler John; 01-01-2013 at 5:01 AM.. |
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There is no way to know the history or condition of the brass, especially rifle brass. If the brass is given or sold to an individual for reloading and a case fails causing injury, whether or not the cause was due to the reloader, a liability claim can ensue. Because public agencies have deeper pockets than individuals, we can expect a lawsuit. Many public agencies are self-insured, with stop loss policies from commercial insurance underwriters to cover major losses, so that risk management departments establish policy to reduce exposure. The range official that told you about the .223 Remington brass and suggested you take it, was exposing the range to liability. Many local governments have legal departments staffed with attorneys to litigate such claims, however there is a cost to each department that generates a liability claim in that the counsel's time is billed to the agency, so even if the case is bogus or settled out of court, there can be considerable expense involved. If the policy is to allow the shooter to collect only their own brass, and forbid collecting any range brass, with a rule to that effect clearly posted where enforcement can result in ejection from the range, then the collector was violating range policy. In effect he or she was stealing from the range and agency, lessening the liability on the part of the range. In the case of selling or trading pistol brass to a commercial reloading company, that sale is done under a vendor agreement, essentially a contract, that both parties agree to and that stipulates that the range makes no guarantee to the suitability of the brass to be reloaded, stipulating that the vendor has the responsibility to clean and inspect all brass to ensure it is within industry (SAMMI) standards and free of defects. The reloader in this instance is accepting the liability for the finished product, and must provide the agency or range a Certificate of Insurance for a one million dollar liability policy that names the agency/range as additionally insured. Given that reloads are for target use only, and use cast lead wad cutter bullets at low velocities, there is a lessened probability of an injury ensuing. The same conditions are stipulated in the agreement between a metal scrapper and the agency, including the Certificate of Insurance. In this instance the agency/range is selling the brass as scrap with the understanding that it will not be used for reloading. I never pick up brass from the range for any use, it is totally unknown as to how many firings it has undergone. When I shoot at any range I am very careful to retrieve my fired brass, so no one else will be harmed by reloading a case near exhaustion. There is another reason for this in that my fired cases headstamp often do not reflect the actual cartridge. For example, if I form .257 Roberts or 6mm Remington from 7mm Mauser, or 7mm IHMSA from .308 Winchester, or 7mm IHMSA-Rimmed from .30-30 Winchester, or 6.5-284 from .284 Winchester brass the headstamp will not match. Joe Schmo comes along and tries to reload it and at the minimum may break a decapping stem. Reloading is a potentially hazardous activity, which is why firearms manufacturers usually include a disclaimer in their manuals to the effect that use of reloaded ammunition is not recommended and the use of reloaded ammunition voids any warranty. Nothing in this life is ever simple. Last edited by Wrangler John; 01-02-2013 at 5:04 AM.. |
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Brass-hole does roll off the tongue better than Brass-whore. & sounds a bit nicer...
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Brass-hole does roll off the tongue better than Brass-whore. & sounds a bit nicer...
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Actually I only started collecting Milsurps 3 years ago. I think I might own about 24...They're cheaper than guns that will most likely never get the opportunity to kill somebody... I belong to the group that uses firearms, and knows which bathroom to use. Tis better to have Trolled & lost, Than to never have Trolled, at all. Secret Club Member?. |
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There is a fine visual for you...
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Get yer mind out of the gutter! yeeeeeesssssssshhhhhhhh!
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That's not cool man..
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If anybody sees me at the range and I pick up your brass, just tap me on the shoulder and let me know because it was by accident. I *never* pick up other folks brass on purpose. It's their property unless they give it to me (thank you to the folks who have!), or maybe if they leave it behind but I figure it belongs to the range at that point, although secretly I've been conflicted/pleased when I've snagged some by accident hahahhaha It's not like I ever leave with as much brass as I came with, unless it's a really good day. I *love* free brass!
I think at Angeles you can purchase bagged up brass from the RO, although I never have. I've seen em bag it up and seemingly take it home. Just not worth the bother for 9mm. Last edited by johnny1290; 01-01-2013 at 1:19 PM.. |
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The guys at the range call them bottom feeders.
Pretty bold if he is doing this without the permission of the range staff. Most ranges have rules against taking photographs of other people without their permission. I'd be careful, you might find that you are the one getting asked to leave. .
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Man, there is several fat old men who dump out each container of brass into their 5 gallon buckets at the Metcalf range. Greedy bastards is more like it. All I want are a few .223 brass casings every once and a while.
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