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Old 04-21-2016, 10:55 AM
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Default Persian Mausers VZ98/29

I've been hunting for one of these for years and kicking myself for not buying one back in 2010 when this hobby / addiction kicked off and Samco was still around.

I found one that after shipping/transfer will cost me $700. No bayonet, no test target, decent shape...however it is parkerized not blued.

Did some reading and it seems Samco parked some of these due to corrosion issues ? Is there a way to undo this or would it be cost prohibitive?

What do you guys think? Part of me says buy it and get another when it comes up, the other part is saying be patient and get a cherry blued one.
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I've been hunting for one of these for years and kicking myself for not buying one back in 2010 when this hobby / addiction kicked off and Samco was still around.



I found one that after shipping/transfer will cost me $700. No bayonet, no test target, decent shape...however it is parkerized not blued.



Did some reading and it seems Samco parked some of these due to corrosion issues ? Is there a way to undo this or would it be cost prohibitive?



What do you guys think? Part of me says buy it and get another when it comes up, the other part is saying be patient and get a cherry blued one.


Hoping some of the existing samco stock gets its way out to the public.

Any updates on who bought it ?
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Hoping some of the existing samco stock gets its way out to the public.

Any updates on who bought it ?
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Interesting. I wonder how long it will be before they start listing the samco stuff.
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Priced high IMO. $550 will get you one of the "used" ones on GB all the time. The park finish is the deal breaker for me. I lucked out with my unissued one for $605 on Gun Broker mid 2015.

Keep searching, those Czech made Persian Mausers are magnificent rifles.
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Thank you Turbo, while I am envious of your purchase I appreciate the advice, ill hold my horses.
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Parked Persian Mauser = meh
Blued Original Persian Mauser = yeah
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I've been hunting for one of these for years and kicking myself for not buying one back in 2010 when this hobby / addiction kicked off and Samco was still around.

I found one that after shipping/transfer will cost me $700. No bayonet, no test target, decent shape...however it is parkerized not blued.

Did some reading and it seems Samco parked some of these due to corrosion issues ? Is there a way to undo this or would it be cost prohibitive?

What do you guys think? Part of me says buy it and get another when it comes up, the other part is saying be patient and get a cherry blued one.
I hadn't heard that Samco had parkerized any Persian Mausers.

Years ago they sold "no blue" Persian Mausers. I picked up three of them when they were $199/each.

They weren't literally "no blue", but the bluing and stock finish had been damaged. They looked like unissued models that had been damaged in some misguided attempt to clean off the cosmoline...possibly with chlorinated cleaner of some type.

This was typical of what they looked like...





They cleaned up nicely...






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^ wow that's a nice transition!

Always wanted one, they are exquisite Mausers. I almost bought this one last week but it sold for $1500 on GB buy it now.

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Very nice rifles, coolest crest ever. My son was lucky enough to find one at a gun show in Alaska when he was stationed there a few years ago.
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Sold my unissued one three years ago and regretted it, picked one up two weeks ago at the Nampa, Idaho gun show for $500, said he had to sell it to reduce his collection, about 90% with a few dings on wood and pristine internals.
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Ill be happy to sell you the bayonet if you need one
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They're beautiful Mausers, would love to get one myself. But for the $700, I'd just hold out and keep looking for a blued example. A recently parkerized rifle at that price is way too high IMHO.
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The Cadillac of Mausers. And they shoot even better than they look.
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They're beautiful Mausers, would love to get one myself. But for the $700, I'd just hold out and keep looking for a blued example. A recently parkerized rifle at that price is way too high IMHO.
Well with all you jerks (jk) posting photos of your cherry blued ones I will most certainly have to agree with you on that.

Thank you all.
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The Cadillac of Mausers. And they shoot even better than they look.
That's saying a lot because they look stunning. I have only taken my Persian out once, it was frighteningly accurate during that trip.
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There are deals to be had if you look around, This is my "shooter grade" 98/29 which shoots just as well as my nicer one. The stock is a bit rougher and it has a rack number painted on it, but it was less than $500 shipped to me. Still all matching, perfect bore, and butter smooth action.

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Interesting. I wonder how long it will be before they start listing the samco stuff.
Nearly ALL of the Persians that SAMCO still had were actions only. Some years ago, when I was actually present, a warehouse worker driving a fork-lift in reverse WAAAY too fast, turned the wrong way and slammed into a large pallet of Persian Mausers. The ones that were facing West had their stocks sheared of at the wrist, the ones facing East was had their barrels bent at a right angle. The ones that were facing North and South were badly crumpled like an accordion. Made one HELL of a noise! None were salvageable. These were still on the roster as rifles because their receivers were still intact (and thus still considered firearms).

There were many instances of this type over the years. . . their warehouse was flooded several times and many of the rifles on the bottom rows of the pallets were rusted beyond belief before the damage was discovered.

There are good reasons why none of the dealers in quality merchandise were interested at all in bidding on this stuff!
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There are good reasons why none of the dealers in quality merchandise were interested at all in bidding on this stuff!
Wow, now that is useful knowledge! Thanks Dennis. When the auction went down a few months ago I saw some pics of the space and nothing looked even remotely good. Seems like Samco was a good business until about 2000 and then they went downhill. Maybe Century can "fix" those persians.
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Dennis, do you know what the story was on Samco's "no blue" Persians?

Years ago I bought several and restored them. They seemed to be in very good condition except for the bluing and stock finish.
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Nearly ALL of the Persians that SAMCO still had were actions only. Some years ago, when I was actually present, a warehouse worker driving a fork-lift in reverse WAAAY too fast, turned the wrong way and slammed into a large pallet of Persian Mausers. The ones that were facing West had their stocks sheared of at the wrist, the ones facing East was had their barrels bent at a right angle. The ones that were facing North and South were badly crumpled like an accordion. Made one HELL of a noise! None were salvageable. These were still on the roster as rifles because their receivers were still intact (and thus still considered firearms).



There were many instances of this type over the years. . . their warehouse was flooded several times and many of the rifles on the bottom rows of the pallets were rusted beyond belief before the damage was discovered.



There are good reasons why none of the dealers in quality merchandise were interested at all in bidding on this stuff!

Very good information! Thank you Dennis!
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Dennis, do you know what the story was on Samco's "no blue" Persians?

Years ago I bought several and restored them. They seemed to be in very good condition except for the bluing and stock finish.
Water / rust damage on the "no blue" and sandblasted Persians. Many were Parkerized if the pitting was obvious.

One has to remember that they were stored since 1988 in a warehouse in muggy Miami with ABSOLUTELY NO air conditioning (humidity and high temperature for most of the year is usually VERY unkind to blued steel).
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The Persian Mauser rifles are some of prettiest military rifles ever made... As far as I know the 98/29's were the only Mauser rifle made with a high gloss finish on their stocks...

The crest on the Czech made rifles is just beautiful...


The crest on the Persian made carbine (M-49) is a bit on the sad side... I call it the cowardly lion (as in the wizard of Oz) crest...


Comparison of the rifles side by side.





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The Persian along with the Argentine are probably the best looking and most accurate Mausers ..........
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Any one know of just a barrel available for a Persian .Mine shoots great but after about 5 or 6 rounds it drops 2 1/2 feet at 500 meters and stays there till the barrel cools down .Tried every thing from free float to binding and same thing every time .
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The crest is amazing, a Lion with an expression like "should I cut your head off with my sword or just bite it off". He's no coward!
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I tried to get the lighting just right to show the crest of my Persian. It is quite lovely and well struck:
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Any idea with test target/bayonet what I'd be looking at? Looks like nice variants with bayonet are going for 7-850. I'm guessing with the target id be in the $1k range?

This is from 2011, but it does make me tight in the pants.

http://www.gunauction.com/buy/10693445

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Yeah 700-1000 for a very nice example, more towards 1k+ for a matching bayonet.

Another option is to look for a Model 49, which is a true Iranian mauser made with tooling set up by the Czechs. They are not as nice per say in terms of fit and finish but they are still very good, and all made in Iran. You can find prime examples of those for $500-$800, depending. SVT showed one (the short rifle) in the pics above.
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Just as an aside...these are capable of great accuracy. I bought a Persian 98/29 that was excellent in every respect...except the prior owner had drilled and tapped it.





The good thing was that it went at auction for peanuts. Also, I was able to determine just how accurate these rifles can be.

I put a 10X Bushnell scope on this one and shot this group @ 100 yards



And this at 300 yards

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The Persian along with the Argentine are probably the best looking and most accurate Mausers ..........
You have to include Swedish Mausers in that discussion. They're very accurate.
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Holy smokes some people got some deals, if I didn't already have a deal pending I would've been all over these.

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/563178598

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/563176949
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