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Old 03-10-2018, 5:59 PM
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You must not work in IT, because in IT the exact opposite of what you said is true. I have a degree in IT management, want to guess how many jobs I've been offered because of that? Not one. I've had many opportunities because of my certifications and experience, usually have multiple job offers on the table at the same time. Every network or operations manager I've worked with would MUCH rather have a Cisco certified network engineer, or a Microsoft certified administrator maintaining their infrastructure. Any fool can get a college degree, just look at all the "educated" liberals out there. It takes a pretty high degree of skill and knowledge, and you really have to prove you know what you're doing to pass a certification exam. I have years of experience and it's still tough. I wouldn't trust a tech with a college degree to know their head from a hole in the ground when it's time to fix a critical network issue. When the network is down it needs to be fixed 10 minutes ago. I've seen more than once inexperienced techs panic and freeze when the fit hits the shan, and have to rely on help from senior level engineers (me) because the real world is a whole lot different than the classroom.

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I've worked in software and systems engineering for over 20 years. I don't work support, or take care of MS servers that need to be rebooted every second day, or configure network switches, which is what I guess you mean by IT.

Any fool can get an industry cert, but not everyone can get a degree in computer science or electrical engineering from an accredited 4 year university.
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Old 03-10-2018, 6:08 PM
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Keep in mind coding for computers is more of a certification type environment. A degree is nice, but being certified in some specific language or platform matter more.
This is honestly the first time I've heard that. Working software dev gigs in defense, commerce, biotech, internet/telecomm, network security/anonymity/privacy, and automotive diagnostics, never heard it.
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This is honestly the first time I've heard that. Working software dev gigs in defense, commerce, biotech, internet/telecomm, network security/anonymity/privacy, and automotive diagnostics, never heard it.
I've been doing automation software for 20 years and hear it all the time.
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I've been doing automation software for 20 years and hear it all the time.
For what language(s)?
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For what language(s)?
Mostly the Cisco and LAN support personnel. I have a EE degree and a PE and the cyber security guys wouldn't even talk to me about working into that arena.
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Mostly the Cisco and LAN support personnel. I have a EE degree and a PE and the cyber security guys wouldn't even talk to me about working into that arena.
That's why I commented about not seeing it - you mentioned coding as something certs are relevant for, but I've never seen that.
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That's why I commented about not seeing it - you mentioned coding as something certs are relevant for, but I've never seen that.
Depends on the definition of "coding".
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Depends on the definition of "coding".
Coding isn't configuring a router.
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Coding isn't configuring a router.
That I agree with.
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MIT offers a free online intro to computer science class using python. It's through EDX and self-paced. It's a good place to start.

https://www.edx.org/course/introduct...itx-6-00-1x-11
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I quit my last year of my second degree to focus on certs because that's what my employment left me time with. Certs were way more important but my first degree helped me get my job in IT. So both can be important.
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