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Old 01-29-2014, 3:37 PM
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Default How can I make a 10/22 Appleseed Ready?

I bought my son a 10/22 a few years ago and we have both decided that we want to take the Appleseed class. Not sure what I will shoot with, but I may buy a .22 rifle for myself to take the class with him. My son's 10/22 is the black synthetic stock model. I have bought an extended mag release, some extra mags and some Tech Sight 100 sights. The problem now is the sling. From what I have been told, it is not wise to try to drill into the synthetic stock to install sling studs.

In retrospect, I wish I would have bought the wood stocked model, but at the time, he was young and tough on stuff so I thought the synthetic might hold up better. Live and learn. When I bought it for him, I didn't even know what Appleseed was and didn't understand the importance of slings for accurate rifle marksmanship, being more of a shotgunner. Now I have slings on every rifle but don't know what to do as far as his 10/22.

Option A - It seems as if I could kill two birds with one stone by buying the $99.00 Eabco M1 stock. It is wood and comes with the integrated sling mounts and I think these look kind of cool too.

Option B - Try to find a used wood replacement 10/22 stock. I have not looked, don't know if there many of these available, but it seems as if this would be a viable option as lots of people buy replacement stocks for 10/22s. But with this option, I would still have the buy and install the sling studs, possibly QD attachments, etc.

Suggestions? What is the least expensive, least hassle way to turn this 10/22 into an Appleseed ready marksman rifle?

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The only .22 rifle I own for myself is the cool little single shot BRNO ZKM468. I shoot decently with it, it is simple, good looking and a lot of fun. Those said, I can't use a single shot for Appleseed, correct? Assuming no, what do you guys think of the Appleseed Liberty Edition Marlin 795? Are there any other basic, accurate enough .22 rifles that are ideal for Appleseed? I like the 10/22 but if I had my druthers, I would buy a CZ455 Lux and be done with it, but can't quite afford that right now.

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Old 01-29-2014, 3:43 PM
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This is what I'd do:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/258...ProductFinding

Not too expensive and works well. I have two myself and like them a lot.
Sling swivels already installed. Plus a recoil pad and extra grippy texture.
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P.s. Bonus follow up question...
I've never been to Appleseed, but the 10/22 is an excellent, reliable and ranges from fairly good to very accurate package out of the box. 10/22 would be my first choice. Though a marlin 795, or model 70 would also be excellent choices in my opinion as well.
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Nice tip, I like that idea, less money, less hassle.
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Appleseed has a bring what you have mentality.
But even with that a single shot would put you at a severe disadvantage. when it comes to timed qualifications and loosing your natural point of aim when you have to reload constantly. That is why they don't advocate lever actions because your position is going to change to reload and you will have to sink back into it. Also while you could use a tubefed like the M60 that is not even advocated because of the slower reloads. So a single shot is worse then either of those two options.

IMO if you like the M1 stock then go with it.
The Hogue stock is said to flex too much when being pulled on by a sling so its not advised.

The Marlin 795 is a great firearm. I would not necessarily go to the trouble of getting a liberty edition when you could just piece it together yourself for probably less trouble.

That being said the Marlin 795 moved to molded in sling studs on their stocks instead of the real metal ones they used to use. These are unfortunatly not up to snuff and have been reported to snap.

So that puts the Marlin and Ruger in the same boat when it comes to sling studs.
Either of them you will have to install metal studs or buy new stocks with studs.

Personally I think this is where the Marlins price shines because for about the same cost in the end you can get a 10/22 or you can get a 795 with the Boyds stock of your choice...
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One expensive way would be to wait for the 50th anniversary 10/22 to come out. It was designed by an Appleseed instructor.
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We drilled the sling studs into my 10/22 takedown and got it ready for appleseed and had no issues with the stock.
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I would say drill it first, least expensive way. If it get's messed up then get another stock.
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Do a seach on this forum. There is a thread on how to install studs for a sling on
synthetic stock. I think it was about 2 months back.
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Very handy! Thanks for the heads up, I don't hang out in the rimfire forum very much so I never would have known.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=810061

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Do a seach on this forum. There is a thread on how to install studs for a sling on
synthetic stock. I think it was about 2 months back.
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OP, why do you need a sling to shoot this match? Isn't their rule transport between stages in a gun bag or with chamber flag muzzle up?
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They use the sling as part of the form of how they teach you to shoot is not for carrying.

I wouldn't hesitate to get the Appleseed model 795. If you have a good reputable shop that won't stick you on the price you prolly won't save any money piecing one together. As you know they don't give away those tech sights and the magazines can fetch upwards of $20 depending on where you find them. Also last I looked davidsons had plenty available

Let's say you got one at big5 on sale for $169 is about as good as they get another $70 for the sights $20 for the magazine and $10 sling that's $270 plus you get a paid entry for the Appleseed with your gun no brainer for me.
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No brainer to me. Dang iPad auto correct
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I have a brand spanking new wood 10/22 stock sitting around if you want it just cover shipping and its yours!
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Marlin Camp Carbine in .45acp.

Double the diameter and you will increase your score. To illustrate:



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OP, why do you need a sling to shoot this match? Isn't their rule transport between stages in a gun bag or with chamber flag muzzle up?
Appleseed is not a comp. It's training, with the core focus on positional shooting with out support (other than a sling.) The sling is necessary for support, not transport.
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We drilled the sling studs into my 10/22 takedown and got it ready for appleseed and had no issues with the stock.
This is correct. We've seen hundreds of users who just drilled and installed studs into the basic plastic stock, and I haven't heard of a problem yet. Studs and swivels combined are about $30, sling is $10 more or so. You'll like the rifle much better that way.

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OP, why do you need a sling to shoot this match? Isn't their rule transport between stages in a gun bag or with chamber flag muzzle up?
There's no transport between stages at all. To and from car, in a bag / made safe, muzzle up either way.

The sling is for field shooting from all three positions. It makes a tremendous difference in practical accuracy. By itself the sling plays no role in safety.
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This is what I'd do:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/258...ProductFinding

Not too expensive and works well. I have two myself and like them a lot.
Sling swivels already installed. Plus a recoil pad and extra grippy texture.

I have a hogue overmolded. I love it. The longer length of pull is very nice.

Also the most important upgrade is tech sights. They are absolutely awesome.

I wouldn't worry about a barrel upgrade. Out of the box they are plenty accurate. Here's a good idea how. 25 yards. Remington yellow jackets. Tech sights. Stock barrel

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I've shot two apple seeds and scored two Rifleman scores with my scoped marlin 795. I installed tech sights on it, shot it on Saturday and on the way home I stopped at big 5 to buy a scope for it. If you have good eyes the tech sights are great and I could group better with tech sights than wih a scope but my eyes are bad and I could barely see the targets!! I slapped the scope on it and on Sunday my first shots were 9 FEET off target! Lol! So sight it in before the Appleseed and use a Good sold mount! My scope lost zero during the day be usher the scope rings walked on me!

The marlin 795 is an absolute tack driver, but mine is unreliable and jams a lot.
That made my Appleseed aqt frustrating. I had to keep an extra mag on hand.

For the 10/22 I HIGHLY recommend gettin bolt release thing so you can release the bolt by pulling the bolt handle back instead of that horrible lever on the bottom of the rifle.
My friend use a 10/22 takedown and it wa painful watching him change magazines!

Also, go buy a moving blanket from harbor freight. They are like 5-10 bucks and make excellent shooting mats!!
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Gah that was a horrible post. iPhones with their stupid autocorrect and thumb typing is definitely not too for forum posting! Sorry!
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Problem solved thanks to the kindness and generosity of Smirnus3000, he is giving me his spare wood 10/22 stock. What a nice guy! Thank you! The generosity of Calgunners never ceases to amaze me.

Lead Waster, good feedback on the sights. I already bought the Tech Sights 100 for my son's rifle but I know what you mean. I taught a rifle class at a Boy Scout camp last Sunday, we were sighting in the rifles (CZ 452 - ZE with really nice target peep sights), not sure who makes them and I was shooting groups a little smaller than a dime at 25 yards. But my vision is terrible too, I am still mulling over which rifle to get for Appleseed for myself and I may put a scope on it as well although I would much rather use irons. But with the irons, just like you, the entire target area is pretty small and blurry. It's hard to shoot accurately when you can't see your target clearly.
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I am fixing up a Ruger 10/22 for another Appleseed and am installing a Ching Sling - recommend not using a tube feed, brought a Marlin 60 to my first class and it was a pain trying to single feed the tube while everyone else used a magazine and was waiting on me, so I bought a Ruger for the magazine . . . Also suggest having both iron sights AND a scope, if one fails, you have a backup - discovered this on my last class when the scope wouldn't zero quick . . . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_1CZcGT-ig

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I say get a Samco M1 carbine stock. It is more correct than the Eabco version and inludes a sling and oiler.

Plus there is the added bonus whenever somebody says "Cool M1, I never saw one in 22LR before!"
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For the scope, if you get one, there is a really sturdy air rifle scope mount. It's a solid block with three screws, made by UTG. Believe it or not, air rifile mounts are really sturdy, spring piston rifles have a double recoil so the mounts have to be extra grippy!

By my last AQT with my newly mounted (with crappy scope ring) scope, I was not even close to the target, and when I'd adjust the scope, it would just lose zero on the next shot because the rings moved under recoil...so my first Appleseed was a loss with the scope. The second time though, I had it sighted in and mounted very well. The problem was the jamming of my marlin 795. I even took the receiver apart to "clean it up" to no avail, and marlin magazines are actually hard to "eject" because you have to pull them out with one hand, while pressing the release with the other, and the release is just a bent piece of metal.

Even with the increased accuracy (IMHO) of the Marlin 795, if I were to do another Appleseed, I'd take the Ruger 10/22 BUT after I added the auto-bolt release.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/688...er-10-22-black

or equivalent.

The Ruger, with this mod, offers less issues when changing mags, it's one handed.

But again, I shot two Rifleman scores with the Marlin 795, and one guy did it with a 7.62x54 (I think) rifle! He had to single load it as whatever it is had a fixed magazine that held like 5 rounds, and I don't think it was a Mosin, it was some sort of black rifle.

I highly recommend going, regardless of what you bring!

Oh and here's an almost sob story, that is funny now.

The Friday night before the Appleseed weekend, I decided to clean the Marlin 795. So I disassembled it BUT I forget to retain the hammer spring. So at some point, the spring went "Sproing!" and three pieces went flying ... all over my kitchen. It was about 9pm, and I had meant to clean it, reassemble it and go to bed so I could get to the range by 8AM refreshed and ready to go. Well, I found TWO of the three parts an I tore my kitchen apart looking for the last piece. I used a flashlight to look down the kitchen drains, I took all the pots and pans out of the rack, I moved an entire loaded shelf, and I looked in the adjoining dining room. I could NOT find that fricken piece. I spent almost THREE HOURS hunting for it, and as time went on, I got more tired and frustrated...thinking that I've just completely screwed the whole weekend. The only other rifle I could have taken was a .223, so that was my backup plan ... shoot the Appleseed with a 10 POUND AR-15, at 20 cents a round (or whatever it was during the panic). I posted here late at night begging someone to lend me a .22.

It was too late to knock on my neighbors door, because I knew he had a 10 year old, unfired Winchester 22 of some sort.

I was about to give up, but I decided to once more move the garbage can near where I found the other two pieces ... and there it was ...not UNDER the can, not around the can on the floor ... the little tiny black piece of metal was ON the black foot pedal of the garbage can, completely hidden from me. Had it fallen an inch to any side, it would have been seen on the floor, but no...it was sitting on the fricken foot pedal! So at around 2AM, I had the gun back together and was hating the world when my alarm went off at 6:30 AM ....

So ... don't do anything last minute to your rifle! Don't mount a scope or clean it! Do all that the weekend before, when you have enough time to sight it in, clean it and have it ready to go!!!!
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OP, depending on where you are going to shoot Appleseed. They might have loaners available too. You could inquire with them and check.
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I say get a Samco M1 carbine stock. It is more correct than the Eabco version and inludes a sling and oiler.
While Appleseed is "run what you brung" and you can bring just about whatever you want, personally I would not recommend an M1 Carbine style stock/sling. This kind of sling is a sidemount, and is very slow and difficult to use as a Loop sling (although it works OK in Hasty). Same goes for the Mauser 98k and K31 Swiss.

Loop Sling offers a significant advantage in the prone position in particular. You don't have to shoot in Loop, you can shoot in Hasty at Appleseed all weekend if that works best for you. But you should at least try it.

While I love my M1 Carbine, it's not really great for precision shooting and it wouldn't be my first choice at an Appleseed. I'd bring it to 3-Gun or a carbine class without hesitation, but that's a different skill set. Instead, the M1 Carbine is originally designed for shooting while running away from something! That, it does very well.
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