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I bet the doj knows at least some long gun purchase before Jan-2014.

Therefore they will have a reasonably accurate percentage anyway
I bet they know them all from the time they started background checks to now.
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I bet they know them all from the time they started background checks to now.
Maybe, but they DON'T know what you have done since.......
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The department wont register as assault weapon, a firearm that is featureless or has fixed magazine
CA code of Regulations, title 11, section 5472 (c)(d)
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Let us hope that the coming Newsome administration is dumb enough to pass an outright ban. Then we can get this nonsense settled once and for all in the Supreme Court while we hold a decent position there.
And what will you do for the 10 years it takes for the case to even get to SCOTUS? Then the 5 years afterwards the state has to comply with the court order? Then through all the appeals after that when the states refuses to comply?

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Pretty ignorant for both of you since there is a big difference between registering and not registering. By registering you are agreeing to storing restrictions which means they know where it's stored. Not registering means they don't know what configuration it's in and where it's actually stored. So while you think it's funny in regards to "Molon Labe" at least they don't have your current address.

That's another beauty about keeping to yourself.
Really? It’s pretty ignorant to think they don’t have that info. Do you have an ID, car, credit card? Then they can get your address. Just because you don’t register doesn’t mean “they don’t know what I have”. Rifles have been tracked since 2014 and handguns longer.
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Pretty ignorant for both of you since there is a big difference between registering and not registering. By registering you are agreeing to storing restrictions which means they know where it's stored. Not registering means they don't know what configuration it's in and where it's actually stored. So while you think it's funny in regards to "Molon Labe" at least they don't have your current address.

That's another beauty about keeping to yourself.
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Really? It’s pretty ignorant to think they don’t have that info. Do you have an ID, car, credit card? Then they can get your address. Just because you don’t register doesn’t mean “they don’t know what I have”. Rifles have been tracked since 2014 and handguns longer.
They don't have the address where you are storing your rifle. You aren't required to store it at the address you live at if you don't register. They definitely know where it's stored if you do register.
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Probably not true for most.
Only current address where you live, not where the rifle is.
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No poll on CalGuns is complete without a "Bacon" option.
It pretty much means "none of the above" or "all of the above" or anything in between.
But generally it's a pork product.
Similar to "Pie" on an arfcom poll, though it generally does not refer to a pastry item.
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Maybe, but they DON'T know what you have done since.......
Prior to 2014, long guns, shotguns, and stripped lowers DROS did not transmit make/model/SN to the DOJ.
They have no idea what we bought beyond "not a handgun"
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Prior to 2014, long guns, shotguns, and stripped lowers DROS did not transmit make/model/SN to the DOJ.
They have no idea what we bought beyond "not a handgun"
they can "know" all they want but RAW is not going to happen......
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Prior to 2014, long guns, shotguns, and stripped lowers DROS did not transmit make/model/SN to the DOJ.
They have no idea what we bought beyond "not a handgun"
And they still don't know what the configuration is. For all they know post 2014, I may have a lower only even though I originally bought a complete rifle.
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And they still don't know what the configuration is. For all they know post 2014, I may have a lower only even though I originally bought a complete rifle.
Or featureless, or rimfire, or sold out of state, or stored out of state....
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Or featureless, or rimfire, or sold out of state, or stored out of state....
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Or featureless, or rimfire, or sold out of state, or stored out of state....
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Registered half (mostly non AR’s) and converted half to featureless. If the underground CADOJ “leave your “BB on” reg gets thrown out, I’ll have some nicer 26” OAL RAWS. When the Gav becomes Gov and pushes through a ban on all cf semi auto rifles, Ill have to register the rest but at least they won’t have BBS on them.
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Registered half (mostly non AR’s) and converted half to featureless. If the underground CADOJ “leave your “BB on” reg gets thrown out, I’ll have some nicer 26” OAL RAWS. When the Gav becomes Gov and pushes through a ban on all cf semi auto rifles, Ill have to register the rest but at least they won’t have BBS on them.
They give you a chance to register your AW, but you chose not to

I don’t think there will be another registration

They will either force you get more featureless-ed or more fixed mag-ed.
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They give you a chance to register your AW, but you chose not to

I don’t think there will be another registration

They will either force you get more featureless-ed or more fixed mag-ed.
No more featureless "loopholes", only fix mag or top loading allowed.

For all featureless rifles legally possess between 2000 to 2016, convert to fix mag, remove from the State, or turn-in to LE. No registration option, since owner of such rifles had no intention of register (which was allowed between 2017 to 6/2018). For featureless rifles purchased between 2017 to 2019, one year registration period as those rifle were not allowed to be registered in the previous registration.

Can it happen, maybe. But let's hope it does not happen
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Can it happen, maybe. But let's hope it does not happen
It almost happened in 2014. It passed, Brown vetoed it.
It was on the table in 2016 but did not pass out of committee.
Guess who the Governor is going to be in 2019.
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It almost happened in 2014. It passed, Brown vetoed it.
It was on the table in 2016 but did not pass out of committee.
Guess who the Governor is going to be in 2019.
There is the slightest bit of hope if it were to come about again with a full on SACF ban. It is conceivable that Brown was 'coerced' into vetoing due to an economic collapsed. It could possibly happen again.

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So Calguns membership at 294K
Active member 23.6K ~ 8%
People who visited the thread 3098 ~ 13% of active
People who voted 280 ~ 9% of visit
31.8% Y, 37.9% N, 30% B.

CA population 39.54 M
CA gun owners ~ 20.1% CBS survey ~ 7.95 M

Assume Calguns is a small population representative of CA gun owners of 7.95 M
Then active CA gun owners (who practice the sport routinely) ~ 636K
Out of the 636K, who actually may have pay attention to the new law ~ 82.7K

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They don't have the address where you are storing your rifle. You aren't required to store it at the address you live at if you don't register. They definitely know where it's stored if you do register.
They know the address of where it was registered, but the law provides other locations that it may be stored (so long as no one else has access).
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They know the address of where it was registered, but the law provides other locations that it may be stored (so long as no one else has access).
Yes as long as no one else has access. Are those other locations disclosed to DOJ?
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So there is no restriction where you store your RAW? No restriction when traveling? Yet you must tell them where you reside correct?
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So there is no restriction where you store your RAW? No restriction when traveling? Yet you must tell them where you reside correct?
There are restrictions. You cannot allow access to another party, so no matter where it is stored outside your residence it must be locked up. If its on property not under your control, you must have the owner of that property's permission. It can be on public land etc.

Transportation requires it to be locked and no deviation between points of travel.

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So there is no restriction where you store your RAW? No restriction when traveling? Yet you must tell them where you reside correct?
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Unlike NFA and CCW, there is no requirement to notify them if you move.
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There are restrictions. You cannot allow access to another party, so no matter where it is stored outside your residence it must be locked up.
Unless the only other persons living at your residence are adult co-registrants.
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Not going to register. I have been contemplating all the different workarounds for months. I decided that the AR maglock and other "break the action to release the mag" variants will be incorporated into the new regulations soon, especially when Newsom becomes the CA. dictator. So I am going with the Thorsden stock and will have to live with that configuration until my eventual move to Gardnerville Nevada.

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Molon labe, baby.
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Let us hope that the coming Newsome administration is dumb enough to pass an outright ban. Then we can get this nonsense settled once and for all in the Supreme Court while we hold a decent position there.
It will depend on what an "outright ban" is. If New-scum tries to just ban all rifles that started out as AR-15'S no matter what compliant nods were done then SCOTUS will probably not hear that. I think this is what is coming. So featureless, shark fin grips, and Thorsden stocks will be all for naught. They will all be banned. Now, if Scummy tries to ban M1-A's, mini-14's, M1 carbines, semi- auto shottys and the like, then MAYBE SCOTUS will weigh in on that. Time will tell.

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It will depend on what an "outright ban" is. If New-scum tries to just ban all rifles that started out as AR-15'S no matter what compliant nods were done then SCOTUS will probably not hear that. I think this is what is coming. So featureless, shark fin grips, and Thorsden stocks will be all for naught. They will all be banned. Now, if Scummy tries to ban M1-A's, mini-14's, M1 carbines, semi- auto shottys and the like, then MAYBE SCOTUS will weigh in on that. Time will tell.

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Given the architecture of the assault weapon ban it will of course pull in the m1 carbine, m1a, mini 14, SKS, VZ 52 you name it.

They will sit on that until th following election and if there is no injunction will go after fixed pulling in the M1 Garand, fn 49 and so forth.
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Did you convert all of your firearms to featureless?
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Did you convert all of your firearms to featureless?
I doubt it. The only way to go full spartan is to break the law right?z
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I doubt it. The only way to go full spartan is to break the law right?z
Too scared to register.
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They don't have the address where you are storing your rifle. You aren't required to store it at the address you live at if you don't register. They definitely know where it's stored if you do register.
This coming from a dude who posts on a public forum as to what he has all the time with a location in his signature.

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Maybe, but they DON'T know what you have done since.......
So the entire plan is to guess about what they don't know?
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Is the location of the gun really something worth of hiding?

When the doj sends you a letter demanding you to turn in the weapon, do you really have the balls to deny?
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Is the location of the gun really something worth of hiding?

When the doj sends you a letter demanding you to turn in the weapon, do you really have the balls to deny?
It made sense back in olden times, when digital information didn't link everyone and rob them of their privacy completely. People had this attitude in the 70's and 80's when I was growing up- don't tell them anything they don't need to know and they won't know it. That started to make little sense in the 90's and today you have to be the most ridiculous Luddite to even remotely think that any information is secret.

Surveillance capitalism is total and ongoing for 25 plus years. We've debunked the idea that not registering removes you from some super special list so many times it's become ridiculous in and of itself. Just AFS yourself- it all appears right there in black and white on the sheet they send you. They lied about not taking information, they have been keeping it, and they have been keeping it without any errors since 2011.

THERE IS NO OFF RADAR. People who continue to push this bogus narrative are simply lying through their teeth. What's even worse is that they insist that others should join them in basically entering into the false hope that the government does not know, even though they have absolutely no proof whatsoever and want you to take it on blind faith.

The only logical and conservative approach is to assume they know and always follow the law, and take all legal paths to protect yourself. If you want to retain your guns in CA this is the game, either play it or step into a world where they easily can destroy your life. We are no longer in a position to claim we want to protect our gun rights, we are simply protecting our actual guns and ourselves.
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