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Old 09-11-2021, 10:04 AM
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Default Shooting a .500 Nitro Express Double Rifle

A lot of people are afraid of the recoil of big bores, heck some are afraid of a .30-06

The most important thing as technique is to "let recoil happen" and just roll with the recoil as demonstrated here. Of course, one still has to lean into the shot.



In regards to the rifle itself, it is a Heym 88B Double Rifle in .500 NE with a 1MOA Trijicon sight on it. It shoots a 570 grain bullet at 2,150 fps. Here is a pic without the Trijicon.

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My arthritis acted up just by watching this video.

On more serious note, great gun, I would love to shoot it one day. Thank you for sharing your experience with it and your 31 day safari adventure. Awesome photos.
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A splendid firearm, to be sure.
Surprisingly, the recoil looks very manageable. Appears easier than my .460 WBY in a bolt rifle. Cheers Tanks.
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Nice rifle. Next a video of shooting it from the bench?
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The famous video of men in dresses shooting .577 should pop up now.



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I’ve shot a .416 Rigby, .470NE, but not a .500; the .470 was a Merkle, and it kicked, but wasn’t really too bad. Tanks, is there much of a difference between those, assuming that the rifles are of similar weight, balance, stock configuration, etc?
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Nice rifle. Next a video of shooting it from the bench prone position?

Just Kidding Tanks.

And you are of course absolutely correct sir. Technique is paramount to "letting recoil happen".

Stock Crawling a big boomer is guaranteed to HURT off a bench.

Sit up, and roll with the flow. As I mentioned in your safari thread. Those Heyms are beautiful.
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A splendid firearm, to be sure.
Surprisingly, the recoil looks very manageable. Appears easier than my .460 WBY in a bolt rifle. Cheers Tanks.
Energy in a .500 Nitro is "only" about 5900 ft lb and the Weatherby about 7500 ft lb. My friend has a Ruger #1 rechambered to .460 Weatherby. It feels like about an 8.5 pound rifle. Shooting it felt like someone had punched me in the cheek. I saw stars for a moment. I also gave it back without asking for another.
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Meh. I've shot .460 Weatherby Mags without any kind of brake or limbsaver. I was fine after they re-attached my retinas.
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Energy in a .500 Nitro is "only" about 5900 ft lb and the Weatherby about 7500 ft lb. My friend has a Ruger #1 rechambered to .460 Weatherby. It feels like about an 8.5 pound rifle. Shooting it felt like someone had punched me in the cheek. I saw stars for a moment. I also gave it back without asking for another.
I like belted magnums but my 458 WinMag at about 5,600 ftlb in my No1 Ruger is all I need. The 460 WeaMag was on the bucket list but I don't think a detached retina would be very fun.
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I’ve shot a .416 Rigby, .470NE, but not a .500; the .470 was a Merkle, and it kicked, but wasn’t really too bad. Tanks, is there much of a difference between those, assuming that the rifles are of similar weight, balance, stock configuration, etc?
Obviously, the recoil energy is greater on the .500, but all are manageable with proper technique and practice. I have used a .416 as the light caliber plains game rifle in the past.

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Is that really necessary on a critter that size? How much do they weigh? People shoot thousand pound elk with less.
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Not necessary, but I like big bores.
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Not necessary, but I like big bores.
I couldn't agree more Andy! With the right bullets the big bores can handle anything and are a lot of fun. I've never needed anything less dead and I shot a 25 Lbs. Steenbok with a 300 grain bullet from my 375 H&H.

I've shot a .500 and I think that my 7.5 Lbs. Mauser in 458 Win Mag was worse
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Nice rifle. Next a video of shooting it from the bench?
Done shooting from the bench.

I shot a total of 8 rounds sighting in the 1MOA Trijicon. 4 groups of left/right barrels at 55 yards adjusting after each group.

I was wearing a 1" PAST Recoil Pad ( https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1002531259?pid=699899 ) and still felt it from the bench.

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Seeing that picture brings up a question, is barrel regulation consistent across different loads? Or do you have to find a load that works equally well between both barrels?
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Seeing that picture brings up a question, is barrel regulation consistent across different loads? Or do you have to find a load that works equally well between both barrels?
Usually a single load. In this case Hornady Factory round in .500 NE. However, I have also developed a similar load in Cutting Edge Bullets that will regulate just as well.

Heym guarantees a regulation group at 50 meters under 2" for left and right barrels. In most cases it is much better than that.
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I am not scared of the recoil, I am afraid of the hit to the pocketbook to pull the trigger.
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Obviously, the recoil energy is greater on the .500, but all are manageable with proper technique and practice. I have used a .416 as the light caliber plains game rifle in the past.


Zebras know that that white/black striped camo is not fooling anyone, right?
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Butch Searcy invited me to go shooting with him once, testing rifles. The .500 is his dividing line between small and big bore. I was holding one of his .700 H&Hs at the time. I respectfully declined the invitation
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My limit is .500 NE as well. Not because of recoil though, once you approach .577 and up the weight of the rifle goes North of 16 pounds. I am not going to be schlepping it 7 - 10 miles a day going up and down hills.
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Isn't that the gunbearer's concern?
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Butch Searcy invited me to go shooting with him once, testing rifles. The .500 is his dividing line between small and big bore. I was holding one of his .700 H&Hs at the time. I respectfully declined the invitation
What's worse is when Butch hands you one of his 4 bores. 28 Lbs. with 20" barrels and it kills on both ends.
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What's worse is when Butch hands you one of his 4 bores. 28 Lbs. with 20" barrels and it kills on both ends.
Yep I was handed one of those too. Goes from big bore to field artillery. The .700 was about 25 lbs.
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Here's looking down the bore of one of Butch's 4 bores.



Here's the left handed 4 bore double next to a .500 Nitro Express gun



Here's the 4 Bore cartridge next to a 50 BMG and 375 H&H.

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See I told ya, (well not you cause ya already knew), artillery.
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If Tanks can drop just about any game animal on the earth with his .500NE, and likely a few smaller calibers, what is the point of the giants like the 4 Bore? What were they primarily designed for?…..And, with the development of better bullet technology, could cartridges such as the .470, .500, etc., be all that one could ever need power wise?
I totally get the concept of much larger cartridges requiring much heavier rifles, and agree that climbing hills all day for someone like myself, even after a successful recovery of multiple orthopedic surgeries is just not doable. Walking five miles/day is a goal for me at this point, so I’ll have to be content with my .375H&H for the time being.
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Most of those 4 bore etc. rifles get put in display cases and never get used. Here is a video of some of those type of rifles by a renowned gunsmith. I wish I had $500K+ to spend on a rifle.

At 7:11 is his 4 bore.



BTW, I have had hip replacement some years ago. So, one can still walk miles and miles traversing ridges.
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Most of those 4 bore etc. rifles get put in display cases and never get used. Here is a video of some of those type of rifles by a renowned gunsmith. I wish I had $500K+ to spend on a rifle.

At 7:11 is his 4 bore.



BTW, I have had hip replacement some years ago. So, one can still walk miles and miles traversing ridges.
Dang, thems are impressive broomsticks.
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If Tanks can drop just about any game animal on the earth with his .500NE, and likely a few smaller calibers, what is the point of the giants like the 4 Bore? What were they primarily designed for?…..And, with the development of better bullet technology, could cartridges such as the .470, .500, etc., be all that one could ever need power wise?
I totally get the concept of much larger cartridges requiring much heavier rifles, and agree that climbing hills all day for someone like myself, even after a successful recovery of multiple orthopedic surgeries is just not doable. Walking five miles/day is a goal for me at this point, so I’ll have to be content with my .375H&H for the time being.
When the 4 bore was developed it was a black powder round used by market elephant hunters. In those days you needed the huge round balls and handfuls of black powder to kill elephant, quickly and reliably.

With modern bullets and powders the .450 and up cartridges will do this but a 4 bore with a 2,000 grain bullet at 2,000 fps is hard to beat. There are a few people who hunt with them and rave about instant kills but 99% of the biggest bore guns get shot at the range to impress people with recoil.

I've had 8 knee surgeries including a replacement and have done three trips to Africa after that along with a bunch of US deer and antelope hunts and other hunts overseas. I just did 37,000 steps last Thursday on a vacation trip carrying a day pack in 90 degree heat with high humidity.
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BTW, I have had hip replacement some years ago. So, one can still walk miles and miles traversing ridges.
That’s good to hear, and encouraging.
I had a full hip, repaired pelvis, partial femur on one side; on the other side a complete knee, partial femur, and some spinal stuff, all last year. Still looking at a full replacement for the other knee, and a shoulder repair as well.
I am getting there, and after 96 visits for physical therapy, doing much better than when I was finally forced to hang up my fire coat for the last time. The lung issues are a different game altogether, but I’m getting along with that as well.
One day at a time, I’ll get there.
Your narrative of your safari was a great read, and inspiring.
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A lot of people are afraid of the recoil of big bores, heck some are afraid of a .30-06

The most important thing as technique is to "let recoil happen" and just roll with the recoil as demonstrated here. Of course, one still has to lean into the shot.



In regards to the rifle itself, it is a Heym 88B Double Rifle in .500 NE with a 1MOA Trijicon sight on it. It shoots a 570 grain bullet at 2,150 fps. Here is a pic without the Trijicon.


So I'm thinking you and the rifle deserve a much better case

Very expensive rifle
Very expensive Ammo

Needs a very very nice case
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