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Old 04-24-2014, 5:14 PM
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Default In wretched jam with gun purchase, could use your input.

This the rifle I'm attempting to purchase. Any questions you have to lend a hand would be great.
Let's just get the 'm an idiot" part out of the way. I've made a mistake but there may be some hope....dunno.

Colt LE901 16s
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Went outside of Calguns and found this on Armslist.
The seller advertised in California. After many texts back and forth I agreed to send his asking price of 1,400 via Western Union. The man would not answer his phone to verify and solidify some details but I took a shot.
He now has my 1,400 plus another 500.00 which I sent again via Western Union.
The texting back and forth is ridiculous. He's coming up with one sad story and excuse after another. This particular gun I assumed was California Compliant. No it isn't - doesn't have the bullet button mag release. He's provided me with a tracking number to a Intraway shipping company based out of the UK. The track reads "on hold, contact seller."
The shipping address is to Rifle Gear in Fountain Valley California as I provided.. They will return the rifle to the sender if it is non CA compliant.
Whole thing is a mess, this Moth f uk er has 1,900 dollars of my money. and I'm not getting prompt correspondence. A scale of 1-10 on my anger level is not nearly sufficient to guage how furious I am.
What to do? I have his name, address and telephone number.

Thanks for any ideas ya might have to handle this guy.
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Old 04-24-2014, 5:23 PM
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Be preparred to lose your money.
Next time buy within the USA!
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Old 04-24-2014, 5:25 PM
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I'd say there's a 99% chance you're completely SOL. The western union thing should have been a huge red flag, and the scammers use it for everything because it's not like you're going to be able to do anything about it after the fact.
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Sorry Op but this could be a painful lesson. Sorry for your troubles. Does not pass the smell test. What was the other $500 for?
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Old 04-24-2014, 5:31 PM
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Sometimes your business liability or homeowners insurance covers fraud/embezzlement. Check it out.


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Old 04-24-2014, 5:34 PM
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You coulda bought a higher end gun with that much money in a gun store in California lol sorry bud
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Sorry Op but this could be a painful lesson. Sorry for your troubles. Does not pass the smell test. What was the other $500 for?

His shipping costs that pile up. 1,400 already in so I thought well, he's been texting me for a month trying to correct the so called "seizure" and I bit the hook. ****.
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Old 04-24-2014, 5:43 PM
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You coulda bought a higher end gun with that much money in a gun store in California lol sorry bud
I know...it's embarrassing - the whole matter.
Love to visit that apt Clint Eastwood style but that's in a fantasy world.
The balls on these people dealing with gun buyers that have who knows what - amazing.
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Old 04-24-2014, 5:45 PM
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Ouch. $1900 lesson learned. This is gonna sting for awhile.
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Old 04-24-2014, 5:46 PM
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This is the shipping/tracking info he sent me after I paid the 1,400.
Geeezus, they are based out of London.

http://intrawayserves.com/slip.php
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Old 04-24-2014, 5:52 PM
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Nigerian scammers often use a .UK address.
It makes them more believable.

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http://www.ebolamonkeyman.com/
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Old 04-24-2014, 5:53 PM
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wow, buying a gun from an international seller. unless that gun is virtually unobtainium in the US, I wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole. The importation of that is a *****. I doubt ATF/CBP will even let it come back into the country with it being in a "non-sporting" configuratiion. ATF Form 6 and all that that entails. And it would need to stop at an out-of-state FFL first to have it californicated.

But in this case, sure does look like you got scammed.
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Western union is a huge red flag for a scam
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Dude, I can fix your problem easy. Send me $500.00 by western union as a security deposit. I'll get your gun for you and refund your deposit when I'm done. Just need it to show your serious.



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Had no idea he was an intl seller until he provided the tracking/shipping info after payment.
Well, I'm sick to my stomach. Going to that address next week. That name picked up the Western Union money with a govt issued idea.
As much as the police will allow me to get away with is what's going to happen. Keep the money, long as I can throw just one punch.
I appreciate your help and realization guys. I made a mistake it appears.
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Truth be told I've been burned before. Just chalk it up to a lesson learned. It will pay you back 10 fold in the future.
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And thank for reading an helping out.
Scumbag criminals in this world. How do they live with themselves.
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So you have an address for the collection of the payment? An id and address? Out the SOB! Where is it
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So you have an address for the collection of the payment? An id and address? Out the SOB! Where is it
I have the name, exact address and phone number in Anaheim. The man that received the money.
Let's go. Best dinner you ever had on me. We both have guns but they remain hidden unless........
He's even on facebook with his picture and family. Easy ID.
Damit I want to put one hand on his shirt and a .45 on his foot.
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OUCH x10
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Sucks.. Lesson learned .. Never. Ever. Ever. Ever ...

Send money Western Union !!
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Old 04-24-2014, 6:27 PM
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Here's a pic of the douchebag.
Not sure which one but not too difficult ID.
Sorry but I'm gonna get this guy that went to WU in a grip like he's never felt. Keep the money pal.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater
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Old 04-24-2014, 6:28 PM
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Why the hell does Western Union even exist? Is there ever an actual, legitimate reason to use their service other than scamming people?
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Going to that address next week.
Are you sure you want to do that? The possibilities of what will go down are endless, very few of which result in you getting your money back.

You need to decide if the money is worth going to a random fraudsters address and possibly either getting hurt or having to hurt someone
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Old 04-24-2014, 6:29 PM
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armslist was the first clue that this was going to be bad...Western Union made it that much worse.

Good luck on this one. It's a very expensive lesson.
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Are you sure you want to do that? The possibilities of what will go down are endless, very few of which result in you getting your money back.

You need to decide if the money is worth going to a random fraudsters address and possibly either getting hurt or having to hurt someone
I'm not Mr gonna kick your *** violent tough guy macho however I can quietly bring a man to the threshold of desperation very quickly with a sweeping grip. No money is fine but perhaps he may learn how fast he will forget not to engage in fraudulent activities with good people. Not a sound other then my lecture.

Nobody gets hurt, just a lesson from a visitor.
Violence in any form is unacceptable but sometimes a little reminder to the undesirable elements that breathing is important.
It's worth it.
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Wow, don't expect to ever see that rifle. But don't let that ruin shipping rifles for you. I've shipped and received a ton of firearms, but only after being able to confirm identities or having a good iTrader. Next time don't wire someone money...
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Guess what. There is a high possibility that is not a pic of "him". "He" could be anywhere in the world...you will never get your money back.
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Sorry man...but if you think someone is gonna give you their addy and pic right before they rob you...well...chalk this up to an expensive lesson learned.

I have had the same lesson. It sucks.
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And thank for reading an helping out.
Scumbag criminals in this world. How do they live with themselves.
They probably make a better living than we do.

Expensive lesson for sure. (call it schooling)
Probably no way to get your money back.
FWIW
Should cut off their heads so it wont happen again to someone else.


Lots of western union car scams under $5000 (usually $4500) because its under the dollar amount to prosecute.
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I have the name, exact address and phone number in Anaheim. The man that received the money.

Let's go. Best dinner you ever had on me. We both have guns but they remain hidden unless........

He's even on facebook with his picture and family. Easy ID.

Damit I want to put one hand on his shirt and a .45 on his foot.



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The picture and address likely mean nothing. The fact that you're apparently dealing with an entity that used a shipping service based out of London England should be a sign that nothing you were told by this guy is legit.

If you do go to the address you somehow have, who knows what situation you'll walk into, if the address is even real.

This is pretty much the same MO as half the frauds on the internet. Consider it a very expensive lesson learned, maybe hand the info you have over to the cops, see if your insurance might be able to help, and if none of that works, move on with your life.
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'well.....what would you guys do at this point?
You have an address, a name and phone number. You're in the hole for 1,900 and the man that picked up the Western Union Money in Anaheim (I checked), is most likely at that address.
What would you do?
Learned the lesson but geez, ya have to scout that address don't you? Tough to rollover on 2k.
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Odds of the address and picture being fake are extremely high.
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ARMSLIST + Western Union + Overseas (although undisclosed in this instance) = DANGER! SCAM! AVOID!

I am sorry this happened to you, Rickey, that is a huge investment loss; certainly would be for me, at least. If this deposit did land in Anaheim, hell, maybe the crook can be tracked down?
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So..

Hard to get rifle for half of retail price
Armslist
UK address
Western Union


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I don't think you are going to see your money or rifle any time soon, sorry.
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What is it??
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I keep the peace, have a conversation, you do nothing but stand (with Greygoose in hand).
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I'm not Mr gonna kick your *** violent tough guy macho however I can quietly bring a man to the threshold of desperation very quickly with a sweeping grip. No money is fine but perhaps he may learn how fast he will forget not to engage in fraudulent activities with good people. Not a sound other then my lecture.

Nobody gets hurt, just a lesson from a visitor.
Violence in any form is unacceptable but sometimes a little reminder to the undesirable elements that breathing is important.
It's worth it.

Take a breath man and think that out.

Intl scammers steal domestic Facebook profiles and the IDs associated with them for these type of scams. They also create fraudulent Facebook profiles using pilfered pictures. You can buy magnificent Government Identifications near Downtown Los Angeles as well.

I would recommend getting advise from a Legal Advisor as to your options because wrist locking some dude in Anaheim for your money for an English gun sounds like a recipe for failure.

"As much as the police will allow me to get away with is what's going to happen" - They won't "allow" you anything.


What the hell is a Colt 901 doing in England anyway? Don't the cops run around with little bats? Hope its not an Airsoft....

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ARMSLIST + Western Union + Overseas (although undisclosed in this instance) = DANGER! SCAM! AVOID!

I am sorry this happened to you, Rickey, that is a huge investment loss; certainly would be for me, at least. If this deposit did land in Anaheim, hell, maybe the crook can be tracked down?
Thanks much, I'll do my best'to track. Spoke with ATF, Anaheim PD and US Customs about his story. Surprisingly Customs has shown the most interest in giving me a hand with this name location. Young lady took mercy and scheduled an appointment with an ICE agent. She was very nice.
Money an rifle gone but maybe they can help the rest of us honest people in the future.
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