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Old 12-23-2013, 9:24 PM
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Default TRP Full Rail vs MC Operator

Well.......finally decided to get a 1911 for myself and have narrowed my decision down to NIB SA TRP Operator and a NIB MC Operator. The TRP is $1,900 and the MC $1,200. Is the TRP worth the extra dough and why.
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The TRP is a fantastic pistol, but at the end of the day, it's a high-end production pistol, and unfortunately, the price aligns it with a few hard-fit, semi-custom pistols. $1,900 to spend, I would order a Springfield Custom Carry, or a Baer. The difference between a Custom Carry and TRP is astounding.

Regarding the difference, the TRP will have a nicer fit and finish, and the pistol is assembled from hand-selected components as opposed to pulled from a production line. Worth the money is a subjective question.
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I had both. The TRP Full Rail seems to be nicer in fit. It also has the front strap checkering, target night sights and bull barrel. It is one of the high end production 1911's.

As Press Check noted, only you can decide if it is worth the difference. To me it was.

Good luck! Both are good guns.
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If you get the TRP Full Rail you're not going to have many holster choices. Bull barrels also don't really make any difference. I'd save my money and get something else.
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If you get the TRP Full Rail you're not going to have many holster choices. Bull barrels also don't really make any difference. I'd save my money and get something else.
I beg to differ. The full length dust cover rail makes a world of difference in the "when I run out of bullets I'm going to beat you to death with the pistol" look that causes bad guys to run in fear, and lesser men to feel inadequate. It looks just plain beastly and the extra heft up front does help manage recoil a bit better. Plus, an angel told me that when God called JMB to heaven it was to build him a full rail 1911!
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I beg to differ. The full length dust cover rail makes a world of difference in the "when I run out of bullets I'm going to beat you to death with the pistol" look that causes bad guys to run in fear, and lesser men to feel inadequate. It looks just plain beastly and the extra heft up front does help manage recoil a bit better. Plus, an angel told me that when God called JMB to heaven it was to build him a full rail 1911!
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The TRP is a fantastic pistol, but at the end of the day, it's a high-end production pistol, and unfortunately, the price aligns it with a few hard-fit, semi-custom pistols. $1,900 to spend, I would order a Springfield Custom Carry, or a Baer. The difference between a Custom Carry and TRP is astounding.

Regarding the difference, the TRP will have a nicer fit and finish, and the pistol is assembled from hand-selected components as opposed to pulled from a production line. Worth the money is a subjective question.
Baer's are pretty rough feeling, and their blued finish is pretty poor. I don't like their too-tight slide to frame fit. A Springfield Custom Carry is basically vaporware.

Plenty of people from Milt Sparks to Raven Concealment make holsters for the full-rail TRP, so that is not an issue.
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How about somewhere in the middle and get a TRP Operator Half Rail .... save some money and get most of the same features (railed, bull barrel, target sights) as the full rail minus half the rail
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I beg to differ. The full length dust cover rail makes a world of difference in the "when I run out of bullets I'm going to beat you to death with the pistol" look that causes bad guys to run in fear, and lesser men to feel inadequate. It looks just plain beastly and the extra heft up front does help manage recoil a bit better. Plus, an angel told me that when God called JMB to heaven it was to build him a full rail 1911!
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How about somewhere in the middle and get a TRP Operator Half Rail .... save some money and get most of the same features (railed, bull barrel, target sights) as the full rail minus half the rail
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Not to make the decision more convoluted but if you're looking for a railed 1911 for under $2000 I would highly recommend the Dan Wesson specialist

I have a specialist and a non-railed TRP. My brother had a mc operator. The trp is better fit than the mc operator and a few extra features like magwell and checkered front strap.

I just did a mini review on the Dan Wesson specialist but no mim, hand fit and cheaper than trp it's basically better in almost every category. It's definitely at least worth looking into. Downside is just that it needs to be sse'd
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Not to offend anybody interested in TRPs, but when I was shopping 1911s, I found them to be a bit over priced. $1500 seemed a bit too much for what it was (that was LGS price on a regular non-P package).
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The half rail is what I really wanted, just cant seem to find one. Found both the MC and the Full Rail only after many months of looking. I typically shoot a P220 and a USP 45 both with trigger work performed, then My son got the TRP no rail and after a long time not recognizing 1911 performance decided I have to get one. I really like the MC but the Full Rail with the added weight to me feels better more balanced. Arghhh.....its just, if your going to spend over a $1k and what I thought the Full Rail is that much better, spend the extra money and get that. I wasn't sure if there were significant technical and or spec differences between the two. Thank you everyone for your help and I still cant decide. I'm going to stop by IVE in VTA today to see if they still have a full rail. The had one at the Gunshow last weekend.
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I dig the full rail weight, feel, and look a lot
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Baer's are pretty rough feeling, and their blued finish is pretty poor. I don't like their too-tight slide to frame fit. A Springfield Custom Carry is basically vaporware.

Plenty of people from Milt Sparks to Raven Concealment make holsters for the full-rail TRP, so that is not an issue.
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Vaporware is a product that is often mentioned by a manufacturer yet never comes to market.

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The 1900 seems very very very high....unless you want it now now now.
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I have never been able to find any version of the TRP in CA for MSRP and I'm on several CA Gun stores lists. Any direction to find one would be greatly appreciated.
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Willing to shop online?...long long long wait time for the full rail
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...s_id/411534947 (has reserve feature)

Some 1/2 rail at under 1500 (in-stock), SSE needed.
http://www.kygunco.com/springfield-t...barrel-71-1965
Some on GB as well for under 1500.
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The only real advantage the TRP has is the front strap checkering. Many find the 20 lines per on the TRP too aggressive without gloves on. I own the reg. TRP and the MC OP. And do not find the difference in the two to be all that dramatic. If you like the OD finish and can live without the tacticool TRP rollmarks, just get some skateboard tape for the grip and call it good.
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The only real advantage the TRP has is the front strap checkering. Many find the 20 lines per on the TRP too aggressive without gloves on. I own the reg. TRP and the MC OP. And do not find the difference in the two to be all that dramatic. If you like the OD finish and can live without the tacticool TRP rollmarks, just get some skateboard tape for the grip and call it good.
The TRP has a nicer/lighter trigger and better fit parts. It's not only the front strap checkering that makes the difference between the two.

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Unreal.....there are TRP half rails available on GB. Does anyone know a FFL in Ventura County or close that would receive and do SSE? I work in Thousand Oaks but travel to Pasadena and the Westside weekly.
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Unreal.....there are TRP half rails available on GB. Does anyone know a FFL in Ventura County or close that would receive and do SSE? I work in Thousand Oaks but travel to Pasadena and the Westside weekly.
EBR Works in Newbury Park. Michael has done about 5 Single-Shot Exemptions for me.
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TRP's are nice but not $1900 nice. For that kind of money, I would get a Baer Custom Carry. Are Baers tight? Yes they are but they loosen up real nice. My Baer SRP is built like a beast and runs on all types of ammo. If your dead set on a railed 1911, I would get the MC Operator and a S&A magwell. I'm not a fan of TRP's bull barrel and the 20 LPI front strap checkering.
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Unreal.....there are TRP half rails available on GB. Does anyone know a FFL in Ventura County or close that would receive and do SSE? I work in Thousand Oaks but travel to Pasadena and the Westside weekly.
I they are on your drive, these 3 are 1911 capable, service are great, and their SSE conversion transfer are competitive with each other:

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Plus, an angel told me that when God called JMB to heaven it was to build him a full rail 1911!
That's a nice one.

Either of the two will get the job done.

If I can only have one 1911, I'd get the TRP.



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I they are on your drive, these 3 are 1911 capable, service are great, and their SSE conversion transfer are competitive with each other:

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Curve ball......what about the Colt Rail Gun? How does it compare. 1 just popped up for sale on CG.
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The TRP has a nicer/lighter trigger and better fit parts. It's not only the front strap checkering that makes the difference between the two.

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I keep hearing that, but I either got an exceptional MC OP or a Monday made TRP. I really see very little difference in the parts or build quality of the two and as far as trigger. No different at all, actually the MC is a bit lighter at 4.9 lbs while my TRP is 5.2. I am in no way knocking the TRP, just stating what I see with mine. Both shoot excellent and on a par.
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1,900 for a SA?? I think the fit and finish on SA is crap. Especially the rear where beaver tail is, frame and slide blending. I make sure to check out these areas when I go to gun shops and SA usually looks like crap. Also the rear of the extractor, circle part on back of slide is usually sticking out. Horrible job of blending. I dont know how people spend that much on a SA. Get a Baer, Wesson, used Wilson, etc.

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Google springfield armory slide overhang or frame overhang. You will see. I see this all the time with SA. Cant say kimber, sig or other 1911s have this issue. Perhaps colt, but then again who cares about colts.
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Curve ball.....act 2. Just DROS'd a new Baer Ultimate Tactical Carry.
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Some 1/2 rail at under 1500 (in-stock), SSE needed.
http://www.kygunco.com/springfield-t...barrel-71-1965
Some on GB as well for under 1500.
No SSE needed. PC9105 is on the roster.
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Addax doesn't SSE bull barrel 1911s. I got a great deal on a TRP Operator from IslandView Enterprises in Ventura.
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I'm a bit biased for the MC Operator. But, honestly, you couldn't go wrong with either.
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Well.......picked up the Les Baer "Ultimate Tactical Carry" and put 150 rds through it last night. "Fubar" you are correct, that at this price point, a Baer was the way to go. Baer build quality is absolutely superb and unbelievably accurate straight out of the really nice brown cardboard box it comes in. It doesn't have that "tactic-coolness" or sexiness of a full railed TRP but it really is a very special 1911. Thanks to everyone for their help.
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Owned both of them and the TRP half rail at the same time. Took them to the range several times to compare.

The full rail was more accurate, not picky, and we'll balanced. You can spend more but why?

If you want a half rail, the TRP Operator is off roster, while the MC Operator is not. The biggest physical difference between these two are the sights and barrels. The biggest performance difference is accuracy.

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I love to shoot my TRP. Smooth and an excellent trigger. I didn't get the rail, wish I did. It is my favorite gun to shoot. Put 400 rounds through it today at ASR and it didn't miss a beat.
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Congrats on picking up the Les Baer. I love my TRS. Be sure to break her in with the recommended 500 rounds before taking her apart for the first time. Also remember to apply Break Free every hundred rounds or so during break in.
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